Please help me decide between USC and Einstein

[AllisonAsh]

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I've revisited both schools and I still can't decide - I change my mind daily. I'm a California resident and I have also spent a couple years living in Manhattan.

Here are the pros and cons of each school as I see them -

USC:

pros - most people match in california (i want to do my residency in california), great weather of so. cal., clinical experience prepares you for anything, might pick up some spanish

cons - having to deal with LA housing, having to commute to school (i would have to buy a car), the tuition (its abou 5k more per year than Einstein), i don't speak any spanish, LA county is hectic - residents might be too busy and stressed to do much teaching, more class time than Einstein (especially with integrated cases during boards study time)


Einstein:

pros: nice housing that's cheap, lots of funding for research, students all live together across the street from campus, close to Manhattan, supportive environment, clinical experience takes place at several diverse hospitals (both private and public), i've heard there is minimal scut work

cons: living in the Bronx (there is hardly anything within walking distance), religious affiliation (for me, this is a downside because I am not religious at all), will probably be more difficult to get a California residency than if i trained at USC

I haven't received my finacial aid packages yet, but I don't think that I will qualify for any grants from either school.

Please help me! Thank you,
AllisonAsh

 

[Thewonderer]

I would choose USC.

First of all, if you have lived in Manhattan, you would have known that all social life centers around Manhattan. You should also know how far deep into the Bronxh Einstein is (6 train, 15 or so stops into the Bronx without express train). You should also know how inconvenient it is to take subway at 1 am after a night of partying in Manhattan. Lastly, Einstein is 10-minute WALK away from the closest subway station. The expression bus that takes you back to the door steps of Einstein has its last bus leaving Madison Ave somewhere around 11pm and 12am. So once you miss it, you are in for a long haul getting your ass back to Einstein. In the end, you need a car to enjoy some decent social life in the Bronx.

Let me plan it out for you. Saturday, going into Manhattan from Einstein, no express train, so it takes a good 45+ minutes stop by stop (35+ minutes through express train). When you finish partying, it is 1 am, you miss the express bus (which, mind you, can only be taken on Madison avenue so you have to haul your a$$ to the bus stop, stop your partying at least 45 minutes ahead of time to make sure you catch it). So from the east side of mid-town, you have to take either 4, 5 or 6 train north. 4 and 5 are express so you catch one. GREAT! but when you get to 125th avenue, you have to get off and wait for a 6 train because 4 and 5 don't go anywhere near Einstein in the Bronx! By the time you get to 125th avenue, it is already 1:30am, then you might have to wait 1/2 hour for a 6 train (subway is scarce at night), and when the train finally comes, it takes another 30+ minutes to go stop by stop slowly through Bronx before getting off at Westchester Square (or something). From there, you can wait another 20 minutes for the bus to Einstein or take your chance walking in the Bronx back to the campus from that subway stop. By the time you get home to your apartment, it is already 2:30-3am...... (once I left my friend's apt in Jersey at 2am and did not get back to Einstein until 5am in the morning when sun was up.... that pissed me off sooooo badly....)

I hope I made my personal experience clear to you 🙂

All of the above can be circumvented of course if 1) you stop partying by 11pm or earlier and try to catch the express bus (which still takes a damn 45 minutes or so to get to Einstein), 2) you have a friend who has a car that can drive you all back or 3) you are willing to spill $35-$40 on taxi cab back to Einstein. Honestly, Einstein is deeeeep into the Bronx. It is another city altogether.....

BTW, I am not a med student at Einstein.....

My advice is to stick with sun-shine california.

 

[zer0el]

hey OP: regarding your USC cons. most USC med students live in apts in monterey hills. some also live in pasadena, south pas, etc. i dont think prices are all that bad, esp. the monterey hills apts. and there is always vacancy. yes, you probably need a car since LA has no public transportation, so that is a drawback. many usc med students also dont speak spanish. although that might be an incovenience at first, many pick it up later. and ive heard from many sources that the clinical training at county is one of the best experiences a med student can receive. i just dont see any advantages of einstein over usc except the cost difference. you also said that you want to match into cali, so it would make sense to go to usc. usc would give you more chances to network in the state and make it easier for you to do aways within the state. unless you absolutely love living in the bronx, id go to usc.

 

[Jalby]

I'll just take the cons of USC:

cons - having to deal with LA housing, having to commute to school (i would have to buy a car), the tuition (its abou 5k more per year than Einstein), i don't speak any spanish, LA county is hectic - residents might be too busy and stressed to do much teaching, more class time than Einstein (especially with integrated cases during boards study time)

About 40% of the people live in Monterrey Hills, a very plosh condo area where it is mostly old people, all of the apartments have nice spas and pools, and some have "gyms" The cost is about 12-1400$ for a two bedroom apartment.

Commuting: If you want to be in Los Angeles, you need a car.

Es Spanol: You will have to learn enough spanish to get by. Most people take Spanish in a foriegn country after first year.

One thing about County is that you arn't doing as much scut work as other places (or maybe the same, but....) Due to the fact that there is a high ratio of patients to doctors at County, you have a lot more responsibilities than you would have at other schools. You interview the patients and decide the mode of action, with residents telling you that everything you decided is wrong. But we also have ~5 other hospitals, 2 private, that you can do training in, if you want a break from county.

And as for integrated cases (which will be better when you would get it, if it really is that bad now), there is 11 weeks of it, then 2 weeks off for OSCE (Which requires a day of studying) and year end cum (Practice board exam). Even if Jaded's estimate of 6 hours studying per day (Which is the highest estimate of 6 people I've polled), it's 30 hours a week in class plus preparing (PS, these are meant to be board review stuff, so part of the preparing would be board studying. You shouldn't miss any questions on something you make a presentation on) Assuming most med students spend 50 hours a week total in class and studying (Way low), you would still end up with an extra 220 hours to study for the boards before school ends.

 

[arkadeb]

Einstein's a laid back, tight knit school versus going to med school where you want to live.
I wouldn't hesitate to let location decide in this case.
Your lucky to get into med school at your choice location.

About Spanish, I think you should pick it up, anyways. It's money in the future and good for you, in general.

And you don't want to do elective rotations in California all the way from the Bronx just so you can go eventually go back home.

The great atmosphere of Einstein is not enough reason to move to the other side of the country. Most Einstein peepz stay in the Northeast for residency, anyways. Most people use location and money to decide a med school, unless prestige means a lot. In your case, I wouldn't sweat 5k a year when all med schools are ripoffs. So, stay in Cali.

I think you'd regret the move to the Bronx. Its just not necessary.

FYI, I am staying on the wait-list at Einstein so my opinion could be biased. Nevertheless, I do sincerely think location comes first unless its a matter of over 10k a year.

 

[nuttymcpoonut]

Let me start off this post by saying that I am an Einstein student. Being such, I am well aware of the pros/cons of going to school here. Let me go through your concerns and those discussed in other posts.

1) Location: The Bronx is not Manhattan, and Einstein is in the Bronx. That being said, it is very easy to get to and from Manhattan at any time of day. The information provided by TheWanderer is simply incorrect. It sounds like he/she came to Einstein once for an interview or a few times for other pre-med-like activities (volunteering, research, etc.). The most convenient subways are the 2/5, which you get to via bus (picks you up in front of the apartments, free transfer) to 180th St. If you are going to mid-town during rush hour, it will take max. 50 minutes. Early in the morning, it will take much less time, because the bus will not be picking up as many people. The 180th St. stop is safe, across the street from a police station, and is the 4th stop in the Bronx (express) or 11th stop (non-express). Oh, and the express bus runs until 12:30 and is very convenient.

Since you have been here a couple of times, I am sure you are familiar with most of this. I just wanted to provide the correct information for others reading this thread.

2) Religious affiliation: The Jewish-affiliation is a very obvious aspect of Einstein. Somewhere around 40-50% of students in my class are Jewish. The rest of us have extremely diverse religious beliefs. While the school's official religion is Judaism, it does not make me or most other non-Jewish students uncomfortable, and it is rarely any sort of inconvenience.

3) Spanish: It's an extremely important language to learn wherever you go to medical school. While I know LA has a very large Hispanic population, don't think you can get by in the Bronx without having a large percentage of your patient population being Spanish-speakers. Like I'm sure USC does, we have a medical spanish program in the end of first year and most of second year, divided into beginner, intermediate, and advanced. The goal is to have students at every level comfortable in performing an interview entirely in Spanish. You will be able to get by if you work at it during medical school. You really need to if you plan on having a career in medicine, especially in New York or California.

4) Residency: If you do well at either school, you will get a residency in California. Sure you might have to do some electives in California, but a lot of people choose to do electives at home no matter where they are from. It's not a huge inconvenience. However, if you really have your heart set on doing your residency at USC, I hear it's always easier to get into a residency program coming from their med school.

5) General lifestyle/happiness: There are a lot of California kids in my class (I think 20-something came from UCs). While everyone enjoys the laid back, tight knit community Einstein provides, California students can get depressed with the weather. Coming from Florida, I know what it is to change climates drastically. It's tough, but I am more of a cold-weather/snow person anyway.

Einstein apartments are a huge selling point. They're rather large, only cost about $300 a month, are right across the street from classes and one of our major hospitals, and most of the other students live here. I think that is the main reason classes at Einstein seem to be so close. While it does sound eerily like college dorms, it doesn't have that feel. It's all good.

My recommendation: take everyone's information about their schools and think where you would be happiest. New York and Southern California are very different places.

Good luck.

 

[Jalby]

Originally posted by nuttymcpoonut


3) Spanish: It's an extremely important language to learn wherever you go to medical school. While I know LA has a very large Hispanic population, don't think you can get by in the Bronx without having a large percentage of your patient population being Spanish-speakers. Like I'm sure USC does, we have a medical spanish program in the end of first year and most of second year, divided into beginner, intermediate, and advanced. The goal is to have students at every level comfortable in performing an interview entirely in Spanish. You will be able to get by if you work at it during medical school. You really need to if you plan on having a career in medicine, especially in New York or California.

That's a great idea for a program. But yes, you will need to learn Spanish at some moment of time.

 

[Thewonderer]

Originally posted by nuttymcpoonut
1) Location: The Bronx is not Manhattan, and Einstein is in the Bronx. That being said, it is very easy to get to and from Manhattan at any time of day. The information provided by TheWanderer is simply incorrect. It sounds like he/she came to Einstein once for an interview or a few times for other pre-med-like activities (volunteering, research, etc.). The most convenient subways are the 2/5, which you get to via bus (picks you up in front of the apartments, free transfer) to 180th St. If you are going to mid-town during rush hour, it will take max. 50 minutes. Early in the morning, it will take much less time, because the bus will not be picking up as many people. The 180th St. stop is safe, across the street from a police station, and is the 4th stop in the Bronx (express) or 11th stop (non-express). Oh, and the express bus runs until 12:30 and is very convenient.

Is that bus from Einstein to 180th run by Einstein or NYC? I personally just took the 6th train to Westchester Square because at least if I did not want to wait for the bus in wee hours, I can walk to the Einstein apt. in about 5-10 minutes.

And it is the first time I have heard that buses come more frequently at 12am than during rush hours. Maybe you are right, but I personally would just walk if not too far.

If it takes 50 minutes to midtown during the day, it takes longer during the night because you have to wait for trains/buses to come, esp. when you want to transfer. Those transfers kill because you just wait endless at times. Trains get really scarce in NYC after 11pm or midnight.

The express bus, I believe, does stop sending people from Manhattan by 11 or 12am on some days. I really don't find any convenience to those express buses because often I had to stop what I was doing early to get to the east side (Madison Avenue) from the west side or jersey.

The fact is, Einstein is deep in the Bronx. You are limited your partying and social engagements in Manhattan esp past certain hours of the night. Even with your own estimation (midtown to 180th ave, with NO EXPRESS train in the Bronx portion, then taking transfer bus to the Einstein Apt.) that's at least 1 hour if not 2 hours of travelling if you are not lucky catching the connections. I would say, you might as well be considered in a different city and not NYC per se. And that's why plenty of students who have families in Brooklyn and Queen's just pack up their bags and go home for the weekends and desert their Einstein apts.

 

[Jaded Soul]

I'm sure you're sick of what I have to say after the other USC thread...but anyways...

pros - most people match in california (i want to do my residency in california), great weather of so. cal., clinical experience prepares you for anything, might pick up some spanish

I think it's fair to say that almost everyone who wants to match in CA will match in CA. I can't say anything about CA residents who go out of state and then match back in CA. Maybe someone else knows better.

(Having lived here all my life, I think the weather tends to be overrated. Santa Ana winds are annoying, as are the occasional heavy storm which can cause flooding and screw everything up because we're not used to it. 100-degree weather during the summer just gets old too. On the other hand, there was a lack of winter this year and that wasn't bad at all...)

cons - having to deal with LA housing

What does "having to deal with LA housing" mean, exactly? If it means finding a place, it's not that hard. I found a place after about 3 visits to the area I was looking at. Someone else wrote it, but most students live in Monterey Hills, South Pasadena, Alhambra, Pasadena area. If it means that LA housing is inferior to housing in other cities, those areas above are very suburban. If you mean issues with expense, I'd bet there's not that much difference between here and NYC. I've heard of people paying as little as $400/mo. and as much as $1200/mo. It depends on what you find, if you have roommates, where exactly you live, etc. Just like any other place.

having to commute to school (i would have to buy a car)

If you live in So Cal, you pretty much have to have a car. There is no way around this is public transportation sucks. Commuting is just a part of life, which I guess is hard for people who didn't grow up here to understand.

the tuition (its abou 5k more per year than Einstein)

If you're like me and going full out on loans, the difference between owing $200K and $180K at the end of it before interest just doesn't seem all that big...

i don't speak any spanish

Me neither! A lot of had high school Spanish, but the number of fluent speakers is limited to those who are Hispanic and grew up with it.

LA county is hectic - residents might be too busy and stressed to do much teaching

Umm....residents are busy and stressed everywhere...

more class time than Einstein (especially with integrated cases during boards study time)

I think there is a basic misunderstanding here. Like I said in the other thread, Integrated Cases is not taking away from board studying time that years ahead of mine had. I don't know how Einstein's curriculum is set up, but I believe that schools that teach new material up to the middle of May wouldn't consider April to be "board study time." You can easily schedule to take your boards at the beginning of July, before 3rd year starts, and still have more than a month to study since school ends on May 23.

Oh, and here's something that you should know. Our 3rd year required clerkships have been reorganized into tracts. Each tract has 1 "flexible" block which can be used for vacation, research, or elective rotations. One of these tracts has the flexible block at the beginning of the 3rd year, effectively giving you 6 weeks of extra time to study and take the boards. In theory, you could have May 24 through August 17 completely. And, you won't be at a disadvantage starting late on the wards because all the people on your tract will also be starting late.

In all, USC wouldn't be as bad a choice as I probably made it sound in the other thread. Most of the bad experiences come from being part of the guinea pig class. If I could go back in time, I wouldn't have picked USC. If faced with the decision now, knowing that it a lot of the problems have been worked out, I would probably choose to come here.

 

[nuttymcpoonut]

This is a silly argument. Public transportation is very unreliable, and definite travel times are not always possible. It can take as little as 35 minutes on public transportation from my door to mid-town Manhattan, or it can take up to 1 hour (trains running late, breaking down, etc.).

However, I think people (esp. AllisonAsh) might benefit from some responses to TheWonderer's last post: the bus to 180th is run by the city (hence free transfer to the subway - it comes to each stop about every 10-12 minutes at any time, and it is safer than walking from the 6 stop); it's not the buses coming more frequently, but making less stops that would make the bus ride longer during rush hour; getting anywhere from Jersey is a little more complicated than getting to the Bronx from Manhattan; THERE ARE express trains in the Bronx portion - you were just always taking the local (6) train.

I hope this debate has not given the geographic location of Einstein an even stronger negative mark. No one is constantly frustrated by the commute into/out of Manhattan. It is a slight annoyance, but nothing to base a school decision on. I feel that most people chose Einstein, because it is a happy medium. It is very easy to get into Manhattan when you want to go to a museum, go to a show, or go out bar-hopping/clubbing on the weekends, but you also don't have to be bombarded with extreme city living when you're just walking to and from class.

The last comment, about packing up bags, etc. must be based on the experience of an extremely small minority. Everyone I know that leaves for the weekend has a significant other outside of the Bronx that they visit every weekend. People don't "get away" to Queens to make their commute into Manhattan any easier!!

If there is anyone out there also making this decision, I can give you names/email addresses of people in my class that came from California, many turning down USC spots. I assume these people would be the most helpful in specifics about the differences between the two programs, since that's what you should be basing your decision on. I believe anyone can get in touch with me without me posting an email address, right?

 

[AllisonAsh]

thanks so much to all of you who have taken the time to respond - some of my concerns have definately been clarified.

regarding transportation - i am very familiar with Manhattan's subway and bus system - i've taken both the express bus and the 6 train to Einstein - during the day, its certainly an annoyance but totally feasible, i'm not sure that i would feel safe taking the subway late at night because of the walk or having the wait for the bus in the dark - i love spending time in Manhattan, but as a med student, i'm sure i will be super busy so as long as there are things to do locally at Einstein, i think it would be ok - i've heard that there are restaurants, etc. within walking distance of Einstein, although i didn't see any when i visited - einstein students, is this true?

having heard from several people about integrated cases and board study time at USC, I think that USC students have just as much time to study for boards as students at Einstein so i'm not so concerned with this factor anymore.

as for the cummulative exams at USC - USC students, do you find that these are helpful, stressful, extra work, worth the time of studying, etc.?

i'm also not as concerned about housing anymore since it seems like monterey hills has affordable apartments and there are certainly benefits to not living in dorm, like having more flexibility - the Einstein dorms seem like a great option too, so either way, i think it would be fine. i still do like the fact that at Einstein you can walk to school and come home for lunch.

as for residency - its hard to come to a conclusion from these school's match lists - i can't tell where students wanted to go - it makes sense that since there are so many california people at usc, that most of the class would match in california - i did see that there were a few Einstein students who matched at UC Davis (which having also recently visited seems like it would be a nice place to work as a resident) - so what can i say, i can't predict the future, i think i will want to do my residency at a UC, but i also think that what is most important is being happy during the next 4 years - are there any California people at Einstein who could tell me about their match experience?? do you have to have amazing scores to return to california or is it a realistic option?

i guess what i would like to know from USC students is more about the feeling of the school, what living in LA is like, etc. i'm from the bay area (currently living here) but i went to undergrad and worked on the east coast so i feel at home in both places - i've never lived in LA so I don't really have a sense of whether or not i would fit in. i like warm weather, swimming, the beach, but i also love the nightlife of manhattan.

also, after reading these threads, i think that one of the most important things to me is what my clinical experience will be like - it seems like at both schools, I will need to know some spanish, but Einstein has a program where you can learn some spanish whereas at USC it looks like students are more on their own (T/F?) - i'm concerned that the amount of independence at county will be overwhelming at first (especially early on when there will be a signigicant language barrier) - USC students, what's it like? are you happy with the amount of teaching vs. scut?

thanks everyone,
AllisonAsh

ps. i would like to get in touch with those students from california who chose Einstein over USC - here is my email - [email protected]









transportation

 

[Thewonderer]

First of all, a couple things.... nuttymcpoonut, please correct me if I am wrong...

1) there is no express train in the bronx portion at 11pm at night. in the morning, express train going intto Manhattan and in the aftnoon, express train going through the bronx. But late at night, you are out of luck. it is all local in the bronx portion.

2) in response to allison, I don't recall any major night clubs around Einstein 🙂 There are some pizza shops and bad chinese take out places around Einstein but that's pretty much it. Even to those places, you would need to walk a few blocks or so. Also, carrying grocery back to the apt is a pain. Definitely, having a car to drive in the Bronx will be helpful for you.

The area around Einstein is VERY SAFE but boring to me. For goodness sake, I walked late at night from that stupid Westchester Square to the apt. a couple times. However, many people did inquire about safety around Einstein and the administrators always say that it is safe. However, the rumor is that some mafia use some of the dry cleaning stores near that area as their front and do some 😉 activities in the back. And if you drive, don't return signals to cars that flash their high beam a couple times at you because it is mafia's way of communicating. These could be some bad jokes those graduate students at Einstein tried to tell us 😛 If anyone is offended, I will edit this post again and take this off.

Now, let me lay down my biases....

I honestly and truly believe that most premeds make the decision too hard on themselves.

Reputation? outside of top 15 schools, there is not much difference.

Matchlist? You honestly think that one school sending 9 people into ortho and 4 people into derm is better than another school that sends 7 into ortho and 3 into derm? And how can you compare a school in CA to a a school in NY (OF COURSE, the CA school has more kids staying in CA for residency. OF COURSE, the residency directors will be more familiar with that CA school than Albert Einstein. It is not Harvard med we are talking about here. Use some common sense here. Worst comes to worst, USC will offer plenty of its own graduates spots in its internal med or psych dept if you are that set on staying in CA for residency).

Clinical education? med students are here to learn the bread-and-butter cases. Start from the basics such as fluid and electrolyetes, managing basic trauma cases, learn lap chole, learn how to treat diabetes, MI, arrhythmia, etc. You can learn that ANY hospital! Med students are not meant to treat those rare diseases that have little chance of recovery.

Learning atmosphere and class camaderie (spelling?)? Every class is different. One class might be cool while the next class is nerd. But as a general rule, you will find gunners anywhere including Einstein and USC. The successful premeds around you who study most of the time are the ones moving on to med schools. So you will make your own friends and be happy with whoever you click with. It does not matter it is at Einstein or USC.

THEREFORE, I always suggest, base you decision on LOCATION and MONEY. that's why I harped on location.

Trust me, when you are a med student, yes, you will be busy. That's why you do not want to take an hour or two to get into the city from the Bronx. You want to be in the city and start partying right away! You also don't want to worry about transportation back to home at night, especially when your time is limited and it is not like you can afford to stay out late every couple days as a busy med student (esp. after a night on-call!). It is frustrating to not have quality places to hang out right next door. I also have several friends who work in Manhattan and had I gone to Einstein, I would lose opportunities to hang out with them simply because they don't get off work until 8 or 9pm (I-bankers) and I cannot go into the city and back at will when it is that late.

Also, that's why you should also wait for financial aid to come in and compare the amount of grants you get from two places. A couple thousands can bring you an annual trip to Europe for crying out loud (it took me $2,000 to go back to Europe to visit this past winter).

 

[Jaded Soul]

as for the cummulative exams at USC - USC students, do you find that these are helpful, stressful, extra work, worth the time of studying, etc.?

Year 1 cumulative exam = relatively stressful
Year 2 cumulative exam = feeling more and more like a speed bump on the way to boards

i guess what i would like to know from USC students is more about the feeling of the school, what living in LA is like, etc. i'm from the bay area (currently living here) but i went to undergrad and worked on the east coast so i feel at home in both places - i've never lived in LA so I don't really have a sense of whether or not i would fit in. i like warm weather, swimming, the beach, but i also love the nightlife of manhattan.

Lots of people from up north go to school here. They fit in fine. It's not like people go around discriminating based on whether you're a native Southern Californian or not. And, it's not like there's a lack of nightlife; it's LA, not some small town in the mid-west...

it seems like at both schools, I will need to know some spanish, but Einstein has a program where you can learn some spanish whereas at USC it looks like students are more on their own (T/F?)

True, unless they change things in the next few years.

Like Thewonderer wrote, it should come down to location more than anything else. It's where you're going to be living for the next 4 years.

 

[Jalby]

Lots of people from up north go to school here. They fit in fine. It's not like people go around discriminating based on whether you're a native Southern Californian or not.
unless they uze the word "hella" more than once a day. We don't like those people.

 

[ayeh]

Hi AllisonAsh,
I'm a first year at Einstein (from NY but lived in the bay area last year). I wasn't deciding between Einstein and any Cali schools, but I also hope to get a residency match in California. Overall, I'm happy with the school and my classmates.

it seems like at both schools, I will need to know some spanish, but Einstein has a program where you can learn some spanish whereas at USC it looks like students are more on their own (T/F?)

True. About 1/3 of my class is taking a medical spanish elective once a week during lunch hour.

As for living in the the Bronx, yes it is a bit of an annoyance. My fiance and I have a car, so it makes it a lot easier to get places. But, a lot of my friends here do not have a car. Usually if you are partying late at night downtown with Einstein students, you can usually hitch a ride back with someone or find ppl to split a cab with and it ends up being ~$8/person. If living in Manhattan is really important to you, I've heard from some 3rd and 4th years that Einstein also provides housing in Union Sq during 3rd year rotations if you schedule most of your rotations in Manhattan.

We have a few Italian restaurants in the within walking distance that are pretty good, and Arthur Ave is about 10 minutes away with lots of good Italian food also. Good Asian cuisine is a much harder to come by... but Flushing (Queens) is about 20 min drive away, across the Whitestone bridge.

As for the religious aspect of the school, I agree w/ nuttymcpoonut that it really isn't an inconvenience except when the libary and gym are closed on saturdays for shabbot. (btw- i'm not jewish)

Hope this helps. Good luck w/ your decision!!

 

[Jaded Soul]

Originally posted by Jalby

unless they uze the word "hella" more than once a day. We don't like those people.

So true, so true. Someone needs to tell them that's not a word. It's barely a sound. If you make fun of them enough, they learn to stop. Simple conditioning.

 

[Hero]

Originally posted by Jaded Soul
So true, so true. Someone needs to tell them that's not a word. It's barely a sound. If you make fun of them enough, they learn to stop. Simple conditioning.

Hey now! "hella" is a hekka cool word. Don't you be dissin' 😉

 

[Jalby]

Originally posted by Hero
Hey now! "hella" is a hekka cool word. Don't you be dissin' 😉

You remember that microwave I let you move??? You best watch yourself. You might end up at a desk next year with no ethernet cables (Yes, I own those, too)

 

[Hero]

Originally posted by Jalby
You remember that microwave I let you move??? You best watch yourself. You might end up at a desk next year with no ethernet cables (Yes, I own those, too)

u mean u can put me and all the hunnies in the same mdl? 😱

 

[Jalby]

Originally posted by Hero
u mean u can put me and all the hunnies in the same mdl? 😱

Sorry. We don't have room for you.