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I need some help please. QR is my worst subject. I do not understand probability at all, or the formula for it. Please explain the formula and these problems from several different sources; Thanks! (answer is in bold, just need help understanding

(n-1)! whats that mean?

1. 5 students taking an exam have to sit one behind the other. how many different ways can they arrange themselves?

a. 5
b. 20
c. 50.
d. 60
e. 120

2. there are 3 purple marbels and 6 yellow marbels in a bag. if 2 balls are drawn at random (one after the other without replacement) what is the probability of selecting 2 purple marbles?
a. 20/121
b. 25/121
c. 2/11
d. 5/11
e. 25/36

3. how many arrangements can 6 people be seateda around a circular table?

a. 21
b. 24
c. 120
d. 720
e. 810

4. what is the probability of 6 tails out of nine tosses of a fair coin?
a 21/28
b 21/64
c 84/128
d 22/64
e 42/64

5. in a casino you are paid winnings if you roll a 7 with 2 die. what are your chances of rolling a 7 in one toss?

a 1/6
b 1/3
c 1/36
d 3/36
e 1/2

6. what is the probality of rolling double threes in one toss of a nine sided and a 6 sided die?

a 1/36
b 1/6
c 1/15
d 1/27
e 1/54

7. a florest purchased 3 yellow roses, 2 pink and 5 red roses. how many of three rose arrangements are possible?

a 10/3
b 120
c 30
d 10
e 110

will post a few more later.

Thanks so Much! my test is this thursday, so i really need to understand this!

thanks

here is one more:

8. with one fair die, what is the probability of throwing two fours in five attempts?

a 10*125/36*216
b 125/36*216
c 36*216/ 125
d 36*216/10*125
e 1/36

thanks again
 
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I really suck at exlaining so I hope this turns out alright.

1) Just think 5 students, 5 seats...order doesn't matter..._ _ _ _ _<---visualization of the 5 seats, so if you look at it like this you can simply go through it seat by seat going 5x4x3x2x1 (or 5!), since once a student is seated he is 'eliminated' from the problem.
2) normally I would have done 3/9 x 2/8, but that doesn't work for the answer, so I'm also wondering how this is done.
3) I know someone posted this on another post, i've never dealt with a circular question before so i think someone else could explain this better.

4) I thnk the answer posted is missing a # on the denom since 128 should be the denominator, but I'll show what i mean (I use binomial theorem).
P(6 tails) = (9 nCr 6)(.5)^6(.5)^(9-6)
= 84 x (1/2)^9 <---(wouldn't this be fun on a test)
= 21/128

5) First you know you want a sum of 7...so how many possible ways are there to roll a sum of 7 with 2 die?...6 different ways if you write it out
So Event = (prob. event) / (Total Prob)
= 6 / (6 x 6)
= 1/6

6) I've never seen a question with a 9 sided die, so I don't know if what I'm thnking of is right or not.
But I stook with there being only one 3 on the 9 sided die just like the 6 sided die. So calculation came out to be...
(1/9) <--prob of 3 on 9 sided die x (1/6) <---prob of 3 on 6 sided die
= 1/54

7) Another fun arrangement question that you can use combination formula for.
So you have a total of 10 flowers and want them in an arrangement of 3 (order doesn't matter of course)... so (10 nCr 3)
= 10! / 3!(7!)
= (10x9x8) /(3x2)
= 10x3x4 / 1
= 120

8)Again I used binomial theorem for this question, since you want 2 fours in 5 rolls.
P(2 fours) = (5 nCr 2)(1/6)^2(5/6)^3
**(1/6) represents prob of getting a 4 on the die, and (5/6) are the other posibilities.
= working it out gives answer to choice a, which I kind of assumed after doing (5 nCr 2 = 10) to save time initially...but that's not really a thing you should want to do lol.

I don't know if this will make sense when you look at it, but i hope it helps.
 
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Answering these questions won't help the fact that you know nothing (so you say) about probability. You need to learn formulas and theory, quickly. I suggest picking up your DAT study guides and reading the probability sections.

A quick crash course might help you through some of these problems.

The probability of an event occurring is defined to be A/B where A = the # of successes and B = the total # of events. For instance if I roll a fair 6 sided die and want to know the probability of rolling a 4, the # of events would be 6 (there are 6 equally possible outcomes) and the # of successes would be 1 (only 1 of these is a 4). Thus the probability is 1/6. This is the most basic formula so you need to drill it into your head. It is worth mentioning here that the sum of the individual probabilities of all possible events MUST total 1. For the die example, there are 6 possible outcomes (1 through 6), each with a probability of 1/6. And 1/6 + 1/6 + 1/6 + 1/6 + 1/6 + 1/6 = 1. In other words, if you bet all the possibilities, you will always win.

The next step up is to learn what happens when there are multiple successes wanted. Start with 'OR' - the union of two events. Let's say I want the probability of rolling a 1 or a 2 on a six sided fair die. The probability of rolling any given number is 1/6. When you have the option of more than one independent outcome, you ADD them. The key word to look for is usually 'or'. So in this example, you want either a 1 OR a 2. Each has a 1/6 chance. So together they have a 1/6 + 1/6 = 2/6 = 1/3 chance. When I say 'independent' I mean that one cannot possibly happen at the same time as the other. It is IMPOSSIBLE in this example to simultaneously roll a 1 and a 2 in the same roll. Since the events can NEVER occur together, they are independent.

An example of mutually exclusive events is if I gave you a coin and a die and told you to toss the coin and roll the die. Then I asked for the probability of the coin landing on heads and the die landing on 4. The probability of the coin landing on heads is 1/2 and the probability of the die landing on 4 is 1/6. Together they add up to 4/6 = 2/3. But that's not the right answer. Why? Because the events are not mutually exclusive. There's some overlap. There's three possible cases where you have a success:

(1) You flip heads and do NOT roll 4.
(2) You roll a 4 and do NOT flip heads.
(3) You flip heads and roll a 4.

Saying you have a 1/2 chance of flipping heads includes both (1) and (3). Saying you have a 1/6 chance of rolling a 4 includes both (2) and (3). When you add 1/2 + 1/6, you are adding (1) + (2) + (3) + (3). You've counted (3) TWICE! So you have to SUBTRACT (3) ONCE to get the right answer. That means you need to know the probability of flipping heads AND rolling a 4. That's the next step up. For now, here's the full formula for the union of two events:

P(A or B) = P(A) + P(B) - P(A and B)

Read this as "The probability of events A or B occurring equals the probability of A occurring plus the probability of B occurring minus the probability of both A and B occurring."


The intersection of events is easier since you probably won't get questions where the events are not independent. This is most often represented by the word AND. If you had a fair coin and wanted to know the probability of flipping heads twice in a row, this is the same as saying 1/2 * 1/2 = 1/4.

The formula for the intersection of two events:

P(A and B) = P(A)P(B)

Now going back to the die and coin question, you have 1/2 + 1/6 - (1/2)(1/6) = 4/6 - 1/12 = 7/12 which is your answer.


You just have to think things through. If you took a problem like #2, it wants 2 purple marbles. You take them one at a time. The first purple marble has a 3/9 chance of being chosen (there are 3 purple marbles and 9 total marbles). The second purple marble has a 2/8 chance of being chosen (with the first marble gone, there are only 2 purple marbles left and only 8 total marbles left). Since you want both of these events to occur at once, you multiply the probabilities. You get 3/9 * 2/8 which is just 1/3 * 1/4 = 1/12. I think you meant to write 5 purple marbles and 6 yellow because that would make it 5/11 for the first draw and 4/10 for the second draw which multiplies to 2/11.


You asked what (n-1)! means. The ! is short for 'factorial'. It means start with the number before it and multiply all natural numbers less than or equal to that number (a natural number is 1, 2, 3, etc - not 0, and not negative). For example 6! = 6 * 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1 = 720.


For problem 1 it wants 5 students in a row. Any of the 5 could sit in spot #1, any of the remaining 4 in spot #2, and so on. So there are 5 possibilities, then 4, then 3, then 2, then 1. Multiply them together and that's 5! = 120.

Same thing for the round table question: 6! = 720. Except now you have a round table, and for any given circular arrangement, there are 6 possible seats to place everyone in. Picture one order and then move everyone clockwise one seat. Same exact order. With 6 seats, you can do this 6 times. So only 1 out of every 6 is a unique order around the table. Thus you divide 720 by 6 to get your answer of 120.

#5 is another simple probability question. You have two dice and you want to roll a 7. There's no formula for this. You just need to count possibilities. The total # of possibilities is 6 *6 = 36 (6 per die). To get 7 you use 1+6, 6+1, 2+5, 5+2, 3+4, or 4+3. Yes you must count each twice because you have two different dice. Answer is 6/36 = 1/6.

#6 is simple and you should do on your own. It wants a 3 on one die and a 3 on the other. The trick is that one die has 9 sides and the other has 6. Given the answer, you should figure out how it was done.

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#4 is trickier. You need to know combinations and permutations. I am not going into a lecture on it. Look up and down this forum because every 10 threads someone asks the same question about them. Or google it. You absolutely need to know them. The reason you use it for this problem is because you don't know which tosses had the tails. The probability that you get 6 tails followed by 3 heads is (1/2)(1/2)(1/2)(1/2)(1/2)(1/2) * (1/2)(1/2)(1/2) = 1/512. It's tough to show here because both probabilities are 1/2, but I separated them for you to see. The first 6 represent the tails. The next 3 are the heads. But what if toss #1 was a head and toss #9 was a tail? You still have 6 tails/3 heads but the tosses are different. The combination (9 choose 6) takes this into account. This combination equals 84, which means there are 84 ways to choose the 6 tosses that will be tails. If each single round of 9 tosses has a probability of 1/512 of having 6 tails and 3 heads, and there are 84 ways to select which tosses are the tails, then there's an 84/512 = 21/128 chance of getting 6 tails and 3 heads in general. By the way there's a typo in your answer.


#7 uses the same principle of combinations. There are 10 total flowers and you want to pick 3 of them.

#8 is yours to do.
 
Thanks for the explanation...I like the questions as well it refreshes me a lot 🙂
 
Thanks so much Colos and Streetwolf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I understand now, I really, really, appreciate it!!
 
one question streetwolf, you said "The combination (9 choose 6) takes this into account. This combination equals 84" for question 4. how did you get the 84?

sorry im slow at this, thanks
 
one question streetwolf, you said "The combination (9 choose 6) takes this into account. This combination equals 84" for question 4. how did you get the 84?

sorry im slow at this, thanks

Use the combination formula:

9!/ 6!*(9-6)! = 9*8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1/ 6*5*4*3*2*1 (3*2*1)

Now when you cancel out numbers from the top and bottom, you get:
9*8*7/3*2*1 = 84/1
 
I have a question about #7 up there. I get that to solve it the way they want it, it's 10!/[3!(10-3)!] = 120, but this assumes every rose is different. The way I read it, the 5 red roses are all the same, so that would cancel out some of the "uniqueness" the 120 assumes. Just hypothetically, if the same-colored roses are identical, how would you do this problem?

Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems to essentially turns into:
How many different 3-letter combos can you have with AAABBCCCCC, but how do you do it?
 
I have a question about #7 up there. I get that to solve it the way they want it, it's 10!/[3!(10-3)!] = 120, but this assumes every rose is different. The way I read it, the 5 red roses are all the same, so that would cancel out some of the "uniqueness" the 120 assumes. Just hypothetically, if the same-colored roses are identical, how would you do this problem?

Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems to essentially turns into:
How many different 3-letter combos can you have with AAABBCCCCC, but how do you do it?
They aren't the same. They are different roses (the stems could be different for instance). If he randomly chose 3 roses then he could choose any 3 of the 5 red roses in (5 C 3) = 10 ways. Each of those 10 ways would be different because they are individual roses.

Okay so just for the hell of it let's say that all 5 red roses are identical, all 2 pink roses are identical, and all 3 yellow roses are identical. Picking roses #1, 2, and 3 is the same as 2, 3, and 4. Then how many ways are there?

There are 3 types of roses which means 3*3*3 = 27 ways to pick the colors (AAA, BBB, CCC, AAB, AAC, etc). But notice that there are only 2 Bs here (pink). That means the 3 rose combo of (pink, pink, pink) is impossible to choose. So there are only 26 ways to do this.
 
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