Please Post Unmatched Residency List

[GoofyDoc]

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Golly, he just wanted the old unmatched lists. There's no nrmp rule against that. 🙄

 

[spalatin]

It is a violation of your contractual agreement with the NRMP which you signed as condition of your being allowed access to the match.

Flash: The NRMP has never not done what it says? 🙄 Remember Urology fiasco? There are rumors that the match overmatched another specialty again this year. Gmee breaks bear! And the match can't sue you, just like the poor urologists-wannabees couldn't sue the match. They have pesky little mandatory 'binding arbitration' clause, so it'd be expensive for them, too. Sauce for goose is sauce for gander.

MLK and Ghandi advocated civil disobedience. Maybe brave souls 'violating' match contract will be what it takes to fix NRMP.

 

[dodo2]

What do you mean by overmatched and which specialty they said it was. Now you got me all paranoid. 😕

 

[14022]

Yeah, what is this overmatched?

Also, I belive the urology match is not run by the NRMP. I thought the American Urological Association does their own match, but I certianly may be wrong. If so, the urology match messing up shouldnt affect the main residency match through the NRMP.

 

[Poety]

Golly, he just wanted the old unmatched lists. There's no nrmp rule against that. 🙄

👍 Isn't it just a riot?

 

[CameronFrye]

Yeah, what is this overmatched?

Also, I belive the urology match is not run by the NRMP. I thought the American Urological Association does their own match, but I certianly may be wrong. If so, the urology match messing up shouldnt affect the main residency match through the NRMP.

Yeah, the urology match falls outside of the domain of the NRMP.

 

[8744]

Flash: The NRMP has never not done what it says? 🙄 Remember Urology fiasco? There are rumors that the match overmatched another specialty again this year. Gmee breaks bear! And the match can't sue you, just like the poor urologists-wannabees couldn't sue the match. They have pesky little mandatory 'binding arbitration' clause, so it'd be expensive for them, too. Sauce for goose is sauce for gander.

MLK and Ghandi advocated civil disobedience. Maybe brave souls 'violating' match contract will be what it takes to fix NRMP.

I stand corrected. And believe me, I have no love for the NRMP not the least of which because this waiting to find out if I matched into EM or not is killing me.

With that being said, I don't know if the NRMP needs to be fixed. It certainly does what it's supposed to do. I confess that at any point in the interview trail if someone had offered me a contract I would have signed it which was one advantage of the old system.

I think they need to do a "second match" instead of the scramble. It seems kind of unfair that filling an unmatched spot can come down to who had the fastest computer or the best phone service.

 

[anatolyk]

i am totally offended that people violote the agreement - like these guys did

I have two questions:
1. Why did you post the link instead of just saying that this is wrong? I am sure fewer people would see this post if you did not have the link here.
2. Why did not you contact forum admin instead and let him know that there is a questionable post.

I am the admin by the way. The last thing I want is to have the imgforum.com associated with this.

The post was removed right after I was informed by another forum user.

Continuing conversation about posting prior year lists, this is also illegal as the lists are subject of NRMP's copyright. Recently NRMP made it clear. This is why you see it gone from most sites including scutwork.

 

[quicksilver2]

With that being said, I don't know if the NRMP needs to be fixed. It certainly does what it's supposed to do. I confess that at any point in the interview trail if someone had offered me a contract I would have signed it which was one advantage of the old system.

Well, and if you have a spouse in a career that has limited mobility and they _aren't_ in medicine themselves, the match makes it close to impossible to do any negotiating to ensure you stay in the same place. (A must when you have children, etc.)

I think they need to do a "second match" instead of the scramble. It seems kind of unfair that filling an unmatched spot can come down to who had the fastest computer or the best phone service.

This was actually discussed last year by the NRMP and input was given by various organizations, including student groups. I think the feeling was that while it might help those who are scrambling, the time necessary for the logistics of a Second Match would only increase the length of time people who matched the first time around would have to wait and would still result in a few having to scramble. It was also felt that it was a relatively small number of people that it would assist in the end, at least in terms of US Seniors.

 

[Obedeli]

Interesting that Duke did not fill in DERM or ENT?!?!?! 😱
Cornel did not fill with Derm either?!

 

[Poety]

Posting that list was CLASSIC cardiac = I love you. 😀 I just wish you posted it in the "Please don't post the unfilled" thread

Yeah, I'm a heathen, I know 🙄 dd

 

[Hurricane]

Continuing conversation about posting prior year lists, this is also illegal as the lists are subject of NRMP's copyright. Recently NRMP made it clear. This is why you see it gone from most sites including scutwork.

Although I appreciate the rationale behind keeping the list temporarily secret, and agree that posting the list before Match Day is a violation of the NRMP's terms of service, AFAIK you can't copyright a list of facts, which is all the old lists are. Wal-mart learned that a few years ago when they tried to go after a website for posting a list of their after-thanksgiving sale prices. But unfortunately, the fact that something won't hold up in court doesn't stop corporations from sending threatening cease-and-desist notices, which require much time and money to fight, causing most "little people" like ISPs and website administrators to take down the info rather than fight back.

This was actually discussed last year by the NRMP and input was given by various organizations, including student groups. I think the feeling was that while it might help those who are scrambling, the time necessary for the logistics of a Second Match would only increase the length of time people who matched the first time around would have to wait and would still result in a few having to scramble. It was also felt that it was a relatively small number of people that it would assist in the end, at least in terms of US Seniors.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know the reason we don't find out where we matched until after the scramble? I don't see how me knowing where I matched affects someone in the scramble, or vice versa.

 

[Gfunk6]

Out of curiosity, does anyone know the reason we don't find out where we matched until after the scramble? I don't see how me knowing where I matched affects someone in the scramble, or vice versa.

I don't think the NRMP wants matched applicants to remain in the dark per se, but rather they want to keep everyone in the dark. The rationale, I suspect, is to prevent people who did not pay to register with the NRMP from getting any advantage over the people who did pay.

 

[lateness]

there are some hidden things to the match... when the unfilled list came out, i got the list and wasnt matched(last year), so then not even a second after the list came out, i was calling places, and the first place i called had like 5 or 6 unfilled spots, and when they answered, they said we are all full.!?!? I was like huh.??? it just came out 4 seconds ago, how could you have filled? and she was like we just are,,
then it happened to like 3 or 4 other places that I checked, like within 3to 5 min... i mean u would think they would need a few min to interview each person, or what ever etc... at least 5 to 15 min a person,


so what was up wiht,,, that??

i think pepole on the inside, or whatever, I think people all violated the match agreement in that they all contacted the programs BEFORE you find out the list and if you matched or not., thats what i think

 

[Hurricane]

Hm, McGill is on that list. Since when were Canadian schools in the US match?

 

[quicksilver2]

I don't think the NRMP wants matched applicants to remain in the dark per se, but rather they want to keep everyone in the dark. The rationale, I suspect, is to prevent people who did not pay to register with the NRMP from getting any advantage over the people who did pay.

Actually, I think there may also be something practical to it -- unless you find out through "other means", it's much less obvious who matched versus who had to scramble. If waiting 3 days keeps some stigma (perceived or real) off of those who are already sweating bullets trying to scramble, that's fine with me.

 

[Lee]

The NRMP has asked that their copyrighted information be removed.

Do not post copyrighted information -- the NRMP takes copyright violations seriously and may take action against those who infringe on their copyrighted information.

Thanks for your understanding!