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[MacEvangelist]

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Jefferson med
Tulane
Ohio State
PCOM
Case Western
Columbia
CCLM
Medical College of Ohio
Ohio university -Osteopathic
University of utah
University of Pennysylvania
Baylor
University of illinois chicago
University of Chicago
Vanderbilt
NoVa Southeastern
Mt. Sinai
Rosalind Franklin
University of Minnesota
Dartmouth
University of Texas (all schools)
Drexel
Cornell
Georgetown
Northwestern
Tufts

My stats
Overall GPA : 3.45, Science GPA : 3.45
Major: Engineering
School: Big public state school
MCAT : 35 Q Verbal was 9
EC's : Volunteers 3 years, film making (camerawoman), worked fulltime 2 years, worked partime 2 years while in college, avg 20 credit hours course load, a musician, an editor on campus, 3 years research in 2 labs, 1 thesis pending.
Status: Not US citizen nor PR/green card
Race: Asian

thanks! ALso add to my list if you know more schools. I know my chance of getting in does not look good but at least I try.

 

[MacEvangelist]

Yup not Us citizen nor PR/green card

 

[Pinkertinkle]

Ouch, is there any way you could get your permanent residency?

 

[MacEvangelist]

marry someone who's US citien. But I couldd't do it. I just could not.
I want to go home after med school. Well, that is if I get in.
All i need to do now is "getting in".
I have secured funding for med school. Conditional funding and will be mine if I get in.

 

[pekq]

marry someone who's US citien. But I couldd't do it. I just could not.
I want to go home after med school. Well, that is if I get in.
All i need to do now is "getting in".
I have secured funding for med school. Conditional funding and will be mine if I get in.

Go home after med school? You will probably be better off attending med school in your home country. A lot cheaper and you don't need to go through the hurdle of transferring your med degree or whatever it takes to practice with a foreign MD in your home country.

 

[bigbassinbob]

marry someone who's US citien. But I couldd't do it. I just could not.
I want to go home after med school. Well, that is if I get in.
All i need to do now is "getting in".
I have secured funding for med school. Conditional funding and will be mine if I get in.

If you don't want to practice medicine in the U.S. then why would you want to go to school here? Most medical schools don't want to put all the money into educating someone and then have them leave the country, and rightfully so. If you did get into a school here, you would be taking the spot of a person who would serve in the U.S. as a physician -- and you would be contributing to the ever-growing shortage of doctors. In all honesty, you shouldn't be allowed into a U.S. medical school. Sorry.

 

[Alexander99]

marry someone who's US citien. But I couldd't do it. I just could not.
I want to go home after med school. Well, that is if I get in.
All i need to do now is "getting in".
I have secured funding for med school. Conditional funding and will be mine if I get in.

That's exactly why many med schools don't accept foreign applicants--cause they have a tendency to get their degree and run.

If your intention is to fool the med schools into thinking you're planning on staying when your intentions are to leave, I honestly hope you don't get in. There are American students that deserve to get in before you do.

 

[TRUE]

I tend to agree with bigbassinbob. Medical schools in the US are mainly interested in training doctors to serve the US population. If you indeed plan on taking your degree overseas, don't like any medical schools know about your plan or that's a sure-fire way to get yourself a rejection.

 

[Alexander99]

I tend to agree with bigbassinbob. Medical schools in the US are mainly interested in training doctors to serve the US population. If you indeed plan on taking your degree overseas, don't like any medical schools know about your plan or that's a sure-fire way to get yourself a rejection.

So you're actually encouraging her to apply anyway but lie in the process? What's wrong with you?

 

[TRUE]

So you're actually encouraging her to apply anyway but lie in the process? What's wrong with you?

My comment was not meant to encourage her to apply. Sorry if it was taken that way.

Mac: Don't apply. If you want to go back to your country with your MD degree, go back, and get your MD degree there.

 

[Alexander99]

My comment was not meant to encourage her to apply. Sorry if it was taken that way.

Mac: Don't apply. If you want to go back to your country with your MD degree, go back, and get your MD degree there.

No problems. It's just I agree this board is meant to encourage people but I think encouraging someone like her (when it's blatantly clear she has no desire to contribute to our healthcare system) would be a bit extreme. 👍

 

[bigbassinbob]

there is a reason she is applying in the USA.

it is easier to get into a medical school here than many asian countries (Taiwan, Japan and etc..)

That may be (I don't really know), but it doesn't change the fact that she shouldn't be allowed into school here. There are tons of U.S. citizens who deserve a spot in a U.S. school but won't get one because it's already too competitive. We shouldn't be responsible for educating physicians for other nations.

 

[TRUE]

there is a reason she is applying in the USA.

it is easier to get into a medical school here than many asian countries (Taiwan, Japan and etc..)

As a foreign student with no green card, I'm not sure that would be the case. I'm sure it's very difficult to get into medical schools in many asian countries, but it's rather difficult to get into a US school as a non-US citizen.

 

[Alexander99]

if you obtain a MD degree in USA, almost all other countries 'accept' it and actually it's a honor to have a "USA MD degree" in Taiwan 😛

that is why many people come to USA to get a MD and go back to their countries ( i thought about going back to Taiwan after getting the MD degree here but it just won't be worth the money...so since I am going to pay ALL THESE MONEY TO a USA school, I rather get my money (earn) from Americans, make sense? 🙂 )

So are you guys also selfish when it comes to the reason why you're going into medicine (pure $$$) or what?

People like you really give foreigners a bad wrap. Most foreigners I know are pretty cool but Jesus Christ, you two offer no apologies for how damn selfish you're being.

 

[TRUE]

if you obtain a MD degree in USA, almost all other countries 'accept' it and actually it's a honor to have a "USA MD degree" in Taiwan 😛

that is why many people come to USA to get a MD and go back to their countries ( i thought about going back to Taiwan after getting the MD degree here but it just won't be worth the money...so since I am going to pay ALL THESE MONEY TO a USA school, I rather work here and get my money back from Americans, make sense? 🙂 )

No offense, but paying off your American bills shouldn't be your only concern for graduating from a US med school. You should also think about contributing to the US healthcare system that is training you...

 

[Alexander99]

I know what you are saying, my sister (who doesn't have citizenship nor PR) is going to apply in USA (but she plans to stay in USA after school). I know how hard it is to get into a USA MD school. However, comparing to my friends in Taiwan....it's still much easier here 😉 (relatively easier)

What'd you do? Pay someone to marry you? I really don't like you.

You might have come over on a plane but if I had my way, I'd send you back on a boat.

 

[bigbassinbob]

if you obtain a MD degree in USA, almost all other countries 'accept' it and actually it's a honor to have a "USA MD degree" in Taiwan 😛

that is why many people come to USA to get a MD and go back to their countries ( i thought about going back to Taiwan after getting the MD degree here but it just won't be worth the money...so since I am going to pay ALL THESE MONEY TO a USA school, I rather work here and get my money back from Americans, make sense? 🙂 )

I sincerely hope you havn't made it into med school yet, and I sincerely hope you never will ( in the U.S. at least).

 

[pekq]

there is a reason she is applying in the USA.

it is easier to get into a medical school here than many asian countries (Taiwan, Japan and etc..)

That's what SGM and Ross are for.

I don't recall there being a doctor shortage in Asia so unless everybody there is pre-med, I don't see why med school would be harder to get into in Asia.

 

[TRUE]

If you are so worried about tuition costs here in the states, I reiterate, you should just go back to Taiwan. Is tuition covered there, like it is in much of Europe and other places?

 

[Alexander99]

nah, it's not all about money. But if you plan to attend a USA MD school, money IS AN ISSUE....look at the tuition! it's crazy. Anyway, I had the thought of going back to Taiwan when I first immigrated here. But ever since, i have assimilated into the american culture and i doubt i can go back to my home country and live there for the rest of my life 😉

so, I prefer SERVING the american population and earn my well deserved salary (to cover my tuitions) here in america

chill man, go Tritans! don't lose face for us Tritans!

It doesn't sound like you've assimilated to me man. Only a FOB would admit that their decision to go to med school isn't all about the money (implying the main reason is money.)

 

[bigbassinbob]

I sincerely hope you haven't made into a medical school too. Doctors are supposed to be able to accept all kind of opinions and this is what you need to treat all kind of patients from different backgrounds 🙂

you guys need to chill!

I have no problem with backgrounds different from my own or foreign people. I do, however, have a problem with people who further contribute to the national debt by getting "money from Americans." It pisses me off even more when these people steal places in american medical colleges just to "get money from Americans."

 

[UseUrHeadFred]

You're assuming that american schools are making money by training physicians. I don't necessarily believe that's true. I think even private schools lose money on the deal, they're getting assistance from other sources to train physicians.

So let me ask you this: If your interviewer asks you what your plans are after medical school, what do you tell them?

 

[bigbassinbob]

it's just a fact and there's nothing you can change about it. I wonder why all these PRIVATE American schools are accepting foreign students? (for $$$ i guess?) 😍 😍

What the hell are you talking about. No private school or public school would choose to accept a foreign student who wants to go back to their country. The only way this would happen is if you tricked the ad coms into thinking you were sincere about wanting to stay here.

 

[DMBFan61]

is mack. a frenchie?

 

[Alexander99]

Why would I need to pay someone to marry me to get US citizenship? I immigrated to USA legally and I am proud to be an American. When i was replying to this thread, I was just telling you guys the fact that there ARE a lot of foreign students here for the M.D. degrees! And a LOT of them want to go back.

it's just a fact and there's nothing you can change about it. I wonder why all these PRIVATE American schools are accepting foreign students? (for $$$ i guess?) 😍 😍

Real Americans don't take pride in taking away money from our country because they have a sense of loyalty. I can't believe you show blatant disregard for the United States and yet claim to be an American. You might legally be an American but I definately wouldn't consider you an American.

 

[bigbassinbob]

well, I am proud to be a FOB because that's who I am. This same issue is happening all over CA (University of California system). Just look at the race distribution. 45% for UCSD, 45% for UCLA, almost 50% for UCBerkeley.... there is just nothing you can do about it. (why are there sooo many asians in these UC schools? i don't know, but as far as i know, since i am a FOB, a lot of these ppl are coming here for their BS/BA or MA/MS degree and plan to go back to their home countries). Unfortunately, these ppl did much better on SAT than a lot of 'americans' and they took the spots from 'americans'. is there anything to do about it? i don't think so...
QUOTE]

There are a lot of foreign U.S. citizens in CA, which is why there are a lot of foreigners in school there. This has nothing to do with "choosing" them over Americans. And the vast majority of these people are not going to leave the U.S. after they get their degree.

 

[Alexander99]

well, I am proud to be a FOB because that's who I am. This same issue is happening all over CA (University of California system). Just look at the race distribution. 45% for UCSD, 45% for UCLA, almost 50% for UCBerkeley.... there is just nothing you can do about it. (why are there sooo many asians in these UC schools? i don't know, but as far as i know, since i am a FOB, a lot of these ppl are coming here for their BS/BA or MA/MS degree and plan to go back to their home countries). Unfortunately, these ppl did much better on SAT than a lot of 'americans' and they took the spots from 'americans'. is there anything to do about it? i don't think so...

if you guys can't open up your eye and see what is really really going on in the education system in USA...i am sorry for you guys. Good luck coming to UCSD for medical school and be ready to hear 'non-english' language being spoken all over the campus 😉

You're not just a FOB, you're an idiot. Most of the asians I know in the UCs aren't FOBs but are Americans. Real FOBs suck it up on the SAT or MCAT because they have no command of the English language. So no, it's not the case that FOBs are tearing it up on the SATs and taking away spots from Americans in the UCS.

Rather, it's the case that Asian Americans are tearing it up on the SATs and taking their deserved spots. I go to UCSD now and practically everyone here speaks English as their main language, *******.

 

[bigbassinbob]

There are a lot of foreign U.S. citizens in CA, which is why there are a lot of foreigners in school there. This has nothing to do with "choosing" them over Americans. And the vast majority of these people are not going to leave the U.S. after they get their degree.[/QUOTE]


this is what you think. which is what these ppl want you home-grown americans to think....at my chinese speaking church (which has like 100 UCSD undergrad students), TONS of them plan to go back to Taiwan/HK/China....

it's just the REALITY. accept it.[/QUOTE]

If this is true, then a trend in foreigners leaving the country after they get their degree will soon show up in CA med schools. When/if that does happen, ad coms will quickly put a halt to the accepting of foreign students, because they don't want to lose any more money.

 

[DMBFan61]

bravo indeed.

 

[UseUrHeadFred]

Why argue with a troll?

 

[pekq]

You're assuming that american schools are making money by training physicians. I don't necessarily believe that's true. I think even private schools lose money on the deal, they're getting assistance from other sources to train physicians.

So let me ask you this: If your interviewer asks you what your plans are after medical school, what do you tell them?

If I remembered correctly, MSSM gets less than 20% of their budget from tuition.

 

[DMBFan61]

its people like you who fan the flame of xenophopia and racism in this country

 

[Alexander99]

I saw your stats: 3.46 GPA (3.56 Science) , 31 MCAT

It doesn't sound like you're one of those FOBs that are tearing it up to me. I'm done with this thread. Go back under the bridge (if you even understand that allusion.) 👎

 

[pekq]

Foreign students in undergrad is good. They pay full tuition and don't qualify for need based scholarships. They tend have lower stats and private schools love 'em.

 

[DMBFan61]

I saw your stats: 3.46 GPA (3.56 Science) , 31 MCAT

It doesn't sound like you're one of those FOBs that are tearing it up to me. I'm done with this thread. Go back under the bridge (if you even understand that allusion.) 👎

well said

 

[pekq]

this is what you think. which is what these ppl want you home-grown americans to think....at my chinese speaking church (which has like 100 UCSD undergrad students), TONS of them plan to go back to Taiwan/HK/China....

it's just the REALITY. accept it.[/QUOTE]

Oh they'll be back. They always do. Someone in my lab went back twice before deciding life and opportunities in the USA is far superior.

Wow, ten posts in like the last minute. 😱

 

[Persistence101]

well, I am proud to be a FOB because that's who I am. This same issue is happening all over CA (University of California system). Just look at the race distribution. 45% for UCSD, 45% for UCLA, almost 50% for UCBerkeley.... there is just nothing you can do about it. (why are there sooo many asians in these UC schools? i don't know, but as far as i know, since i am a FOB, a lot of these ppl are coming here for their BS/BA or MA/MS degree and plan to go back to their home countries). Unfortunately, these ppl did much better on SAT than a lot of 'americans' and they took the spots from 'americans'. is there anything to do about it? i don't think so...

if you guys can't open up your eye and see what is really really going on in the education system in USA...i am sorry for you guys. Good luck coming to UCSD for medical school and be ready to hear 'non-english' language being spoken all over the campus 😉

Dude, I'm Asian-American and I went to a UC school but I don't associate with FOBs like you who want to use the American system. Shame on you!

 

[10minutes]

You're not just a FOB, you're an idiot. Most of the asians I know in the UCs aren't FOBs but are Americans. Real FOBs suck it up on the SAT or MCAT because they have no command of the English language. So no, it's not the case that FOBs are tearing it up on the SATs and taking away spots from Americans in the UCS.

Rather, it's the case that Asian Americans are tearing it up on the SATs and taking their deserved spots. I go to UCSD now and practically everyone here speaks English as their main language, *******.

I am FOB and I did well in SATs and MCATs. There are a lot of FOBs who are successful here. As a note, I came here only 6 years ago when I was a senior in Korean High School.

And one more thing: People here seem to think that all US med schools want their graduates to work only for Americans. However, during many interviews, they often asked me if I had intention to go back to Korea. I honestly said "maybe" because my parents plan to go back. Twice, I asked, "Is it wrong to study here and serve in other country?" Well, they replied, "It's perfectly fine wherever you go as long as you are dedicated to help others." I got accepted to most of those schools. I'm a permanent resident, but still a Korean citizen.

 

[bigbassinbob]

if you obtain a MD degree in USA, almost all other countries 'accept' it and actually it's a honor to have a "USA MD degree" in Taiwan 😛

that is why many people come to USA to get a MD and go back to their countries

*edited because some ppl took this post too seriously. it was meant to be taken lightly!*

This is where you edited out what you had previously said:
"that is why many people come to USA to get a MD and go back to their countries ( i thought about going back to Taiwan after getting the MD degree here but it just won't be worth the money...so since I am going to pay ALL THESE MONEY TO a USA school, I rather work here and get my money back from Americans, make sense? )"

I would classify this as wanting to abuse the system.

 

[DMBFan61]

i really hope the adcoms see him for who he really is

 

[DMBFan61]

yes for my sake, i hope you're right 😀

 

[exmike]

Wow this thread really got thrown off tilt!

I think the general consensus is that the OP probably shouldnt apply to medical school here as he/she is essentially using the US system to her own benefit without any intention of contributing back to the system. Besides, as a foreign applicant, most schools would require much higher stats than she has, and most of them ask for prepaid tuition and living expenses (200k or so) which sets quite a high barrier for her. I think the current system does a good job of filtering out those that dont intend to practice in the US.

I think you guys took mackaikai's responses the wrong way. Trying to explain the reason someone is doing something isnt the same as supporting what they are doing.

I was once a greencard holder, and I got naturalized in high school. Granted I've been here since I was four years old. Lets not confuse being proud of your heritage (which is what i THINK mack is talking about when he says he's a FOB) with lack of pride in being an american. You can be proud of both.

Anyhow, I think its is the tiny tiny minority that comes and gets a US degree with no intention of practicing here. I hope it stays that way.

 

[mackaikai]

sorry to those ppl I offended. i wasn't trying to cause a controversy intentionally. was trying to explain OP's motive. anyway, I am sorry that I offended a lot of you (including some asian americans who don't like me using the word F** (..it's just like how black ppl use the word that starts with a "N"). Hope all of you become great doctors and for all the right reasons. TO AVOID EVEN MORE ARGUEMENTS, I DELETED ALL MY POSTS 🙁 🙁 🙁

 

[b1nge]

i would add NYMC

 

[MacEvangelist]

Hi
The reason I want to get into US med school is
1) I am not a native in my country so I am automatically not even considered for med schools there.

2) I got into med school in Britain but I don't have financial aid from my gov and my parents have not enough funding for me. Borrowing bank is not possible. My siblings are borrowing now and my parents as the co-signer/whatever you call that.

3)I have conditional funding from my gov provided I get into US med school and will work for them for 20 years. They are really pushing students for degrees from US schools.

I was under the impression that foreigners should go back to their home country after graduation. I didn't know we are even allowed to work in US after graduation.

Such a discouraging forum... anyway, I wasn't offended. Life is like that

 

[skypilot]

Give it a try. The U.S. takes tons of docs trained in other countries at the other countries expense. I think 20% of docs are FMGs.

We can afford to train a few docs for other countries too.

I'd add Albany, Temple, Drexel. I guess you have to find out what schools are gung ho for foreign grads.

A British school sounds great too. Why the heck won't your government fund that? You can always do your residency in the States.

 

[Newquagmire]

That may be (I don't really know), but it doesn't change the fact that she shouldn't be allowed into school here. There are tons of U.S. citizens who deserve a spot in a U.S. school but won't get one because it's already too competitive. We shouldn't be responsible for educating physicians for other nations.

Umm, what about all those international health care programs? What about helping people in pandemic areas that we have ignored for decades? What about the celebrity status of Paul Farmer and his Haiti HIV work? On the contrary, I think medical schools hope to have people who are interested in contributing to the global community and not just the American one.

I don't recall there being a doctor shortage in Asia so unless everybody there is pre-med, I don't see why med school would be harder to get into in Asia.

The US health system is notorious for recruiting Filipino nurses and leaving a shortage of qualified RNs there without contributing anything to the Phillipines. How is that any different?

 

[bigbassinbob]

Umm, what about all those international health care programs? What about helping people in pandemic areas that we have ignored for decades? What about the celebrity status of Paul Farmer and his Haiti HIV work? On the contrary, I think medical schools hope to have people who are interested in contributing to the global community and not just the American one.

"What about helping people in pandemic areas that we have ignored for decades?"!!!!????? Unbelievable that you could even say this. You're obviously an ungrateful foreigner. The U.S. contributes billions of dollars a year to "international healthcare programs" to send American physicians into pandemic areas to help the poor -- money that could more easily be used to fund the plethora of problems we have in our own country. These physicians don't leave the U.S. with their degree, they are still employed and based here; therefore, they will serve the U.S. in the future at some point. And of course med schools want people interested in helping the global community, but again, this doesn't mean they want them to get a degree here and run away with it.

By the way Paul Farmer doesn't work with HIV in Haiti, it's Tuberculosis.

 

[IndyZX]

some of you people care a little too much.

 

[Alexander99]

The US health system is notorious for recruiting Filipino nurses and leaving a shortage of qualified RNs there without contributing anything to the Phillipines. How is that any different?

The healthcare system in the Philippines is the least of their worries. Poverty, terrorism, crime, education, the list goes on. The fact of the matter is that no one in the Philippines feels the need to improve their country and are eager to leave (for the U.S. or elsewhere). If that's what they want to do, let them.