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Hey everyone, I have a Canadian citizenship, but I am originally Middle Eastern (Arab to be specific). Am I considered a "minority" in the US?
Hey everyone, I have a Canadian citizenship, but I am originally Middle Eastern (Arab to be specific). Am I considered a "minority" in the US?
Are you a US citizen?
Oh how much I hate the double standard in the US. They discriminate against us whenever they want as we are not "white", and when it comes to actually benefiting from being a non-Caucasian minority we are no longer considered so, we magically become Caucasian!
Oh how much I hate the double standard in the US. They discriminate against us whenever they want as we are not "white", and when it comes to actually benefiting from being a non-Caucasian minority we are no longer considered so, we magically become Caucasian!
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here we go URM debate let me fire up the popcorn
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here we go URM debate let me fire up the popcorn
Extra butter please.
Handsome, why don't you stop whining and get in based on your merits, not your ethnicity. It's not even America's policy, it's the med school policies that define URM. I can almost guarantee if I tried to get into a med school as a caucasian student in Saudi Arabia, or even most of the world, I would probably be at a disadvantage!
"To accept the things you cannot change," is simply a good policy to live by IMO. If you're a strong student who really wants to become a doctor, I have a feeling you'll get what you want, and you won't need some "special" URM stuff to achieve it. Would you rather get in because you're Handsome88 an academic achiever about to add to the prestige of practicing medicine, or because you're Arab? Honestly that choice is for you, but I know what I'd pick.
My $0.02.
As a similar minority, your discrimination comment is laughable. The "magically become Caucasian" statement also shows your poor reading comprehension.Oh how much I hate the double standard in the US. They discriminate against us whenever they want as we are not "white", and when it comes to actually benefiting from being a non-Caucasian minority we are no longer considered so, we magically become Caucasian!
Oh how much I hate the double standard in the US. They discriminate against us whenever they want as we are not "white", and when it comes to actually benefiting from being a non-Caucasian minority we are no longer considered so, we magically become Caucasian!
USA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!!!!!111111If you don't like the US, then I'd recommend staying in Canada. Take a stand and don't reap the benefits of our medical education, really, stick it to the man.
Oh how much I hate the double standard in the US. They discriminate against us whenever they want as we are not "white", and when it comes to actually benefiting from being a non-Caucasian minority we are no longer considered so, we magically become Caucasian!
Oh how much I hate the double standard in the US. They discriminate against us whenever they want as we are not "white", and when it comes to actually benefiting from being a non-Caucasian minority we are no longer considered so, we magically become Caucasian!
Oh how much I hate the double standard in the US. They discriminate against us whenever they want as we are not "white", and when it comes to actually benefiting from being a non-Caucasian minority we are no longer considered so, we magically become Caucasian!
Hey everyone, I have a Canadian citizenship, but I am originally Middle Eastern (Arab to be specific). Am I considered a "minority" in the US?
You are Caucasian by definition... You can either be Yellow, black, or caucasian. Your choice.Oh how much I hate the double standard in the US. They discriminate against us whenever they want as we are not "white", and when it comes to actually benefiting from being a non-Caucasian minority we are no longer considered so, we magically become Caucasian!
cry me a river. how about you get in based on MERIT. You're whining because you aren't going to get a handicap due to the color of your skin? what a F'n joke
Oh how much I hate the double standard in the US. They discriminate against us whenever they want as we are not "white", and when it comes to actually benefiting from being a non-Caucasian minority we are no longer considered so, we magically become Caucasian!
😕 I am confused by this discussion. Okay, so he's not technically a URM. But I really don't think being a URM helps in quite the way you guys seem to think it does, like "This is a terrible applicant but... omg he's black! We must pay more attention to his application anyway!"
+1replace "terrible" with "below average" and that is exactly how it works.
There are no double standards. Be pleased that you actually do get benefits in some departments/situations. Not only that, you are able to live a peaceful life in a foreign country and enjoy the same (or more)benefits/freedoms than the natives (i.e. Caucasians).
It is not discrimination. They are simple easy to understand policies. Ever wonder how much the middle eastern governments will benefit Caucasians living in Middle east for being "Non-Arab Minorities". We all know the answer.
Replace "terrible" with "below average" and that is exactly how it works.
Below average stats does not equal below average applicant. Numbers aren't everything.
yah but even if you are not white, you are asian and that too is not a minority for med admissions. So yah sorry buddy. But a lot of arabs I know are caucasian by blood and you can tell that from seeing the color of their skin. Arabs are a mix of asian and caucasian ancestry by definition and as such are not URMs.
😕😕😕 Care to elaborate?
give me a break. affirmative action is meant to level the playing field for urms given their social/economic hardships. in most cases, i doubt this is true anymore, especially in our world today. therefore, most below average applicants get in due to their urm status.
😕😕😕 Care to elaborate?
give me a break. affirmative action is meant to level the playing field for urms given their social/economic hardships. in most cases, i doubt this is true anymore, especially in our world today. therefore, most below average applicants get in due to their urm status.
sorry to take this off topic but I couldn't help but wonder if others who responded with "love it or leave it" or something similar would have said those things if the OP were not Arab or Middle Eastern. It's an interesting observation that those who said those things were Caucasian but it'd perhaps be more interesting to see how their last names end!
You mean if he were from Spain, you think the responses would be different in regard to his post about our double standard? lol
Below average stats does not equal below average applicant. Numbers aren't everything. I'm not going to pretend that URMs can't get in with lower numbers than other applicants, but they're not letting in people that they don't think will still be good doctors and will do fine in their schools. They have their own reputations to protect, and if they were churning out URM doctors who were terrible, that would be bad for the school.
On average, URMs are more likely to need extra time to complete medical school, for example.
Rather, as the term implies, URM's come from groups who are underrepresented in medicine; the medical establishment feels that it is essential to increase the number of doctors in those ethnic groups.
Didn't know that was an established fact. Where can I see that kind of data? Honest question. Not saying I think you're lying. I like looking at these kinds of numbers.
That's how I've understood it, and I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing (not necessarily a good thing either).
will we have this URM discussion every week?
http://www.aamc.org/data/aib/aibissues/aibvol7_no2.pdf
The data is kind of old, but the article is from 2007 so it may be the most recent data available.
I believe the idea is that patients from those groups do better when they are treated by physicians of their own group - that is, they are more compliant, etc. Also, perhaps more disturbingly, there are differences in how physicians treat patients of other ethnic groups. I read an article about that not too long ago, but I don't have a source for it right now.
so I have to go right now. But I'll look up the other countries for you but I can tell you this much that the syrian arabs I knew, the palestinian arabs I knew, and the other non egyptian arabs I knew were all caucasian if you looked at them and they even admitted such. Esp. true of the syrians I knew more then any arab group. Egyptians are the only ones that looked like their own ethnic distinction that should not be piled in the caucasian category. I'll get back to you later and I'm sorry I can't respond with a more extensive answer right now but I have some stuff to do. So don't attack my posts until I've had a chance to come back and finish what I was saying. That goes to anyone else. Let me finish it up later.
sorry to take this off topic but I couldn't help but wonder if others who responded with "love it or leave it" or something similar would have said those things if the OP were not Arab or Middle Eastern. It's an interesting observation that those who said those things were Caucasian but it'd perhaps be more interesting to see how their last names end!