PNWU Vs. CUSOM

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I have been blessed with an acceptance at two schools thus far, PNWU and CUSOM. Currently, I am weighing the pros and cons of each school and I was hoping students from or those who are very familiar with these schools might be able to lay out their experiences with rotation sites, board prep, access to research, and most importantly community, particularly for spouses of medical students. My wife and I are having our first baby this coming spring so I am also weighing how important having the support network of family nearby for my wife will be. I know that is completely different for every person, but the support network that she would be stepping into at one school versus the other is something I need to consider. Based on my interview experience I feel drawn towards CUSOM but I know interviews aren't always perfectly reflective of a school so any information you guys can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
 
I can't speak to PNWU, so I hope you can find someone who can. I am a current first year at CUSOM. If community is a big thing for you, I think CUSOM is a good choice. So many of our students come in with significant others, many married. There is a spouses Facebook group for them to connect, and social events are almost always open to spouses as well. Several of the first years have kids already, some multiple, and I think there was a second year student who is currently pregnant (or just given birth? not sure). Point being, you will not be an anomaly here and there is support available, but you do have to actively seek it in the form of other students and spouses, of which there are plenty.

It's tough to give you a good answer about the rotation sites, because we haven't been told much about them. The inaugural class is in rotations right now, and supposedly, feedback is extremely positive. Unfortunately, this is mostly word-of-mouth gossip because they're the first class to go through rotations here, and we haven't even finished two blocks this year. Rotations are set up in regions, and you stay in that region for both years. I think preference is given to those with family in specific regions.

Board prep here is good, but again, I'm a first year. We do get COMBANK access starting year one without extra cost, as well as all the Kaplan COMLEX materials. There are two or three COMSAEs given, the first in December (?) or Jan. A number of our professors write actual board questions and the curriculum is tailored to hit all the board-necessary information. Thus far, I like it and it seems to be covering everything I see in First Aid.

Research here is available, but not a huge focus of the school. A number of proactive first years have gotten involved, but you do have to actively seek out the opportunities.
 
Thank you so much for this extensive review! I had a really positive experience at CUSOM and this verifies my feelings.

Are you aware of anybody doing research in the research triangle during their summer between first and second year? I'm not sure that research is something I am very interested in at this point but having access to the research triangle could be a differentiating factor in regards to available opportunities that I could pursue at one school versus the other.
 
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I am not personally aware of anyone doing that, but it is definitely a possibility. NCSU is probably your best bet, simply because you're not competing against UNC/Duke med students. NCSU does not have a med school, but they do have a top-tier vet school that does research. Obviously, a lot of animal research can go on to be applicable to humans, but this is going to vary based on the lab. NCSU also has a ton of engineering labs that do medically related research. Finding research like this is going to be completely up to you though; CUSOM does not facilitate it. It is easier to do some research with CUSOM faculty during the summer, which is possible, but also requires you to be a bit proactive to get into the lab before the lab fills up with other students.

Again, if research is absolutely a goal of yours, you may want to consider a school that has more of a research focus. But as far as I can tell, most DO schools (aside from maybe PCOM and MSUCOM) have research opportunities at about the same level we do, and you're going to have to actively look for those opportunities regardless.
 
I am not personally aware of anyone doing that, but it is definitely a possibility. NCSU is probably your best bet, simply because you're not competing against UNC/Duke med students. NCSU does not have a med school, but they do have a top-tier vet school that does research. Obviously, a lot of animal research can go on to be applicable to humans, but this is going to vary based on the lab. NCSU also has a ton of engineering labs that do medically related research. Finding research like this is going to be completely up to you though; CUSOM does not facilitate it. It is easier to do some research with CUSOM faculty during the summer, which is possible, but also requires you to be a bit proactive to get into the lab before the lab fills up with other students.

Again, if research is absolutely a goal of yours, you may want to consider a school that has more of a research focus. But as far as I can tell, most DO schools (aside from maybe PCOM and MSUCOM) have research opportunities at about the same level we do, and you're going to have to actively look for those opportunities regardless.

While generally, most DO schools do not have much research opportunities, most schools that are within a public state university do, like MSUCOM, RowanSOM, UNECOM, KCU, DMU etc.
 
I would go with CUSOM because, well, I DID go with CUSOM. It seems like such a great school, and I am also married so I looked at the situation in a similar light.
 
CUSOM, KCU, among a few others seems to be over represented on this forum...its easy to get very bias advice/information.

KCU is usually highly regarded because we have KU Med, UMKC SOM, Stowers, MRIGlobal in the the city to do solid research at. Now, KCU is focued on trying to become a researchstronghold themself. We have a PI with multiple R01's who is a reviewer at the NIH running a HUGE lab here now andwe jut recruited some post-docs, one of them from Stony Brook.

I would say KCU is putting their money where ther mouth is for this stuff which is why its talked about all the time.

Rowan, MSU, OSU (Oklahoma), OUHCOM, TCOM still far exceed KCU and the ike beacuse they have resources DO schools just cant get because they aer privately funded.
 
Thanks for the responses guys. To be quite honest I am just looking at my medical decision in the light of making sure that if I discover a passion like research or teaching those doors will still be opened to me in regards to residency. My focus at this point is not research but it is important to me that all doors are available wherever I go. It sounds like if I am proactive and decide I would like to pursue those things those opportunities are there.

I actually live very close to PNWU and have shadowed some of their faculty and spent some time with students there. CUSOM is highly represented here but they made a strong enough impression on me to make me consider leaving my local(ish) school to move across the country.

At this point my main concern is my wife and incoming daughter. I want to see them supported wherever we go and at this point I get the feeling CUSOM may have a stronger support system for families than PNWU, however, with family nearby PNWU does have a strong draw.

Can anybody comment on how they approached a decision like this when choosing a medical school with their family and how their decision is playing out?

I agree that KCU and CUSOM are highly represented on SDU but I have to strongly respect the schools as their students have very positive outlook on their education. This does say that those schools are doing something right. If KCU had given me an opportunity for admission that would be a hard acceptance to pass up.
 
Thanks for the responses guys. To be quite honest I am just looking at my medical decision in the light of making sure that if I discover a passion like research or teaching those doors will still be opened to me in regards to residency. My focus at this point is not research but it is important to me that all doors are available wherever I go. It sounds like if I am proactive and decide I would like to pursue those things those opportunities are there.

I actually live very close to PNWU and have shadowed some of their faculty and spent some time with students there. CUSOM is highly represented here but they made a strong enough impression on me to make me consider leaving my local(ish) school to move across the country.

At this point my main concern is my wife and incoming daughter. I want to see them supported wherever we go and at this point I get the feeling CUSOM may have a stronger support system for families than PNWU, however, with family nearby PNWU does have a strong draw.

Can anybody comment on how they approached a decision like this when choosing a medical school with their family and how their decision is playing out?

I agree that KCU and CUSOM are highly represented on SDU but I have to strongly respect the schools as their students have very positive outlook on their education. This does say that those schools are doing something right. If KCU had given me an opportunity for admission that would be a hard acceptance to pass up.

I would lean towards PNWU. Its established and i think would give you more options. I know CUSOM is primary care focused; Im not sure if PNWU is or not. I share the same feelings with you in regards to the positive reviews however I trust less reviews about CUSOM since theyre a new program and their students have nothing really to compare their education to. KCU has been around for a long while at least and has hard data proving their status; CUSOM does not.

That said, from a more personal POV, Im the type of person who likes to stay local and close to family, that is HUGE in making my decision. Move away far..and how often will you get to see family again? Thanksgiving? Christmas? Will you be able to afford flying back across the coast anyways? Would you lose touch? PNWU would be less of a "shock" move for you than moving from Washington state all the way to the opposite coast. Have you consulted your family to see if they would be OK with this? If they are okay with it, this factor would be considered less.


Im hoping this was an unbiased response (not that i have any associations with either program)
 
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Thanks for the responses guys. To be quite honest I am just looking at my medical decision in the light of making sure that if I discover a passion like research or teaching those doors will still be opened to me in regards to residency. My focus at this point is not research but it is important to me that all doors are available wherever I go. It sounds like if I am proactive and decide I would like to pursue those things those opportunities are there.

I actually live very close to PNWU and have shadowed some of their faculty and spent some time with students there. CUSOM is highly represented here but they made a strong enough impression on me to make me consider leaving my local(ish) school to move across the country.

At this point my main concern is my wife and incoming daughter. I want to see them supported wherever we go and at this point I get the feeling CUSOM may have a stronger support system for families than PNWU, however, with family nearby PNWU does have a strong draw.

Can anybody comment on how they approached a decision like this when choosing a medical school with their family and how their decision is playing out?

I agree that KCU and CUSOM are highly represented on SDU but I have to strongly respect the schools as their students have very positive outlook on their education. This does say that those schools are doing something right. If KCU had given me an opportunity for admission that would be a hard acceptance to pass up.
The bolded is your answer. Yes, the support system may be "stronger" at CUSOM, but with close family nearby, PNWU wins in the "family" category.
PNWU = family + family support system among medical school student spouses
CUSOM = family support system among medical school student spouses
 
We have several people from across the country in our class, some of whom came with families, so is it possible? Yes. Do they have support? Yes. But obviously, this is a highly, highly personal decision. I almost all good things to say about CUSOM, but I also don't have kids, it is a new school, and it is across the country for you. You should factor in things like what it will cost to raise a baby and if you can really do that on student loans alone, or if you will need familial help. If your wife wants to work, it will be easier to do so with family nearby that are willing to assist as well. Consider that flights back home will cost anywhere from $400 to $700 depending on when you want to buy them. Ask your wife if she is really okay with being so far from family for four years with a new baby in tow - maybe she is, maybe she isn't, and it seems like a lot of thins depends on how much she thinks she can do this without her family. Don't make the decision based on what someone online tells you - I told you upfront that I was biased - make it based on what you really think will be best for you and yours.

That said, if you do decide to head east, let me know. I'm happy to try to connect you to other people in my class that made a similar decision. Best of luck.
 
Thank you for every ones time considering my situation and providing comments and advice. I think at this point I am looking for subjective responses regarding peoples own experiences with different aspects of each school (or other schools if you feel they are applicable), more particularly their spouses and childrens experiences and experiences gaining educational opportunities from the surrounding communities that aren't directly provided by the school (e.g. research, elective residencies, etc.).



Ill lay out my positives and negatives here for anybody interested and to help me think this decision through. Be warned, I can be fairly wordy but hopefully this is informative. Also, this will include objective comments but also some subjective comments, particularly when discussing the location and how I felt visiting the schools. This is a personal write up but I wonder if it might help others in a similar situation to my own. If you notice anything that I have not considered or that is inaccurate please let me know.

School Focus:

Both schools primary missions are to create rural primary care physicians in their regions.


Financially:

After factoring in moving/travel and differences in living costs, CUSOM would be about 10,000 dollars cheaper over 4 years unless I get offered the 10,000 dollar a year scholarship which then makes that deficit much larger. This of course does not factor in tuition inflation so how accurate this ends up being is up for debate. PNWU tuition is 50,000 per year, CUSOM ends up being 44,100 per year between tuition and mandatory annual fees.


How established is the school:

PNWU - The school has been around since 2008 and has sent students to all different specialties and to highly ranked residencies (http://www.pnwu.edu/files/6714/3897/7071/PNWU_Match_Results_2012-2015.pdf). Doctors in my area who have had PNWU students have in some specialties, family medicine and Physiatry, commented that they are more prepared than UW students for their rotation. In other specialties the typical comment is clinically they are equally and many times more prepared than UW students but UW students typically have a better base in their basic sciences. PNWU students typically have an above average first time COMLEX pass rate (http://www.pnwu.edu/inside-pnwu/fast-facts/). The rotation sites in my hometown at least seem to be quite good. They don't have any affiliated residencies that I am aware of but that doesn't seem to limit the students.

CUSOM - The school will be graduating its first class in 2017 and those students are just experiencing the rotation sites for the first time. The school is not fully accredited but has done very well throughout the accreditation process. Per an SDN post (CUSOM 2015-2016 page 22) the 2017 class did fairly well on their first step of the boards. ("94.1% COMLEX pass rate. 7 people over 700, 23% above 600, 61% above 500. 100% USMLE pass rate. IIRC, ~1/3 of class took USMLE, but that may be a bit off"). I am not familiar with the rotation sites or how the students like their rotations as I have not discussed rotations with a primary source and they just now putting their first class through rotations. The school has multiple established affiliated residencies at this point and this is expected to continue to expand (http://www.campbell.edu/cusom/academics/gme-program/residency-programs/).


Location:

PNWU - Yakima is a city of 90,000 people that is 3 hours from my hometown and provides familial and friend support to some degree for my wife and I, still 3 hours away. There are essentially 4 seasons. Close proximity to UW residency and rotation sites if those are places that I become interested in as future training sites. The only large medical schools in the region with teaching hospitals are OHSU and UW so without significant travel, rotations at larger hospitals are limited. Yakima is within 2 hours of some of the best hiking sites in Washington, good fishing and hunting, and good skiing but is a primarily orchard and winery town without much to do outside of outdoor activities. The closest bigger city is Seattle at 2 hours and Spokane at 3 hours. There are 2 reasonably sized hospitals in the area, my wife is an x-ray tech so this is important to us. Finally, one of their main rotation sites is in my hometown which is a pro and con. It is a pro because I could go back to Spokane after my second year, it is a con because I may have a hard time getting rotations outside of Spokane if Spokane is not my preferred rotation location. No intramural sports, campus activities, or other benefits that come with being connected to a college.

CUSOM - Buies Creek is a very very small college/farm town but 45 minutes from Raleigh, 500,000 people, and most students I spoke with live in Fuquay Varina which is about 20 minutes from the school and 20 minutes from Raleigh. Weather seems to be fairly mild during the winter and humid and warm during the summer (from what I have seen/read). The school is an hour and a half from the beach and 2 hours from the closest mountain that I am aware of. Duke Med and UNC are an hour away along with various other large hospitals in Raleigh (about 20 minutes from Fuquay = job opportunities for the x-ray tech in the family). You are also in relatively close proximity to some of the top schools and hospitals in the nation, within a 8 hour radius, so if you are willing to be proactive and persistent, traveling for rotations at top hospitals is fairly reasonable (I may be being a bit ambitious with that last statement but where there is a will there is a way). The research triangle is an hour away so there is a lot of top research occurring in the area (Once again, possibly ambitious but I think if approached right you can find opportunities). I have not been particularly drawn towards research up to this point but it's good to know the doors are there. The school is connected to a college so you get access to their resources and activities including the gym, intramural sports, and campus ministry opportunities (As a Christian this is a plus for me but may not be for others). Relative to Yakima, hiking and other outdoor activities are fairly limited (It sounds like there is a bit of a drive involved in going on big hikes).


Subjective (This is my own personal experience, everyone gets a different feel and experience from every school.):

PNWU: The faculty is amazing and the facilities were very up to date and comfortable. The faculty has helped me in every step of my medical school application process, even after not being offered an interview last year. I have visited multiple times and the students are wonderful but I have never connected with the students I have met quite as well as I have at other schools, this isn't a deciding factor, just something I noticed. My wife isn't super excited about living in Yakima other than being an hour and a half from Leavenworth (You should check it out if you live near Yakima or go to PNWU and have never been there). Being close to family is a draw but the community in Yakima itself doesn't seem to offer very much in regards to places to go (there aren't any large cities nearby) or community activities, though I may be wrong in this. Family is a draw but being 3 hours away creates the question, would she be able to get connected enough within the Yakima and PNWU community to find a good friend/support group there.

CUSOM: Faculty members were amazing and very welcoming and facilities are pretty incredible. As a school with a Christian background and a missions oriented school the faculty I spoke with and I connect really well on what we are passionate about. I felt like I really connected with the students and they all seemed very excited about the school and the area. I didn't meet any students with families but I heard from secondary sources that the spouses seem to band together to support each other. There seems to be a large Christian community in that area and that is important to my wife and I. It is a long way from home, 36 hour drive/7-10 hour flight, and we will be learning how to be parents.
 
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