Poor choice in first job out of vet school.

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Seawolf420

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Hello,

I made the decision to go corporate for two reasons: 1) the sign on bonus was too good to pass up (even knowing that too good to pass up usually means too good to be true) and 2) the mentor that would be instructing me was realistic about their experience right out of vet school so the thought of having an understanding person on my side was nice.

The first three months as a doctor have been pretty bad. The hospital itself has next to no space, is not well kept, and has zero natural lighting. The staff is nice, but there are so many qualms between individuals and tasks like ear cytology take literally 45 minutes and doctors are expected to micromanage everything.

On the scarier side I have seen so many dentals just fully wake up mid procedure to the point where one or two had to be immediately extubated/extubated themselves. And when I was going to do a spay and was about to make my incision the patient fully woke up and needed to be restrained, extubated, reintubated and then scrubbed again; (mind you surgery is still very intimidating to me so I was so shaken, and honestly still am).

I don’t know what to do. I’m afraid of stagnating and not appropriately developing as a vet and don’t feel as though I have been learning the critical things my classmates have or even getting the right type of introduction to being a veterinarian.

I started seen appointments literally 9-10 weeks ago and was scaled up from 6-8 to start to now 14-15 per day, with not enough help and immense amounts of stress.

I feel like me seeing that many appointments just doesn’t allow me to really take the time to learn from each of them and is just because the company is money hungry. I was also told that I should be at 16-20 appointments per day at this point which is just astonishing.

The sign on was 75k for two years but if I am honest I think I’ve got 9-12 months max before I tap out, but used the initial 35k from the sign on for life events and loans so don’t really have that to pull from.

Any advice on either making a difficult situation less awful or getting out of it entirely?

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Posting here so I don't forget to respond. I'm on overnights my first weekend back from baby vacay, so I'll respond tomorrow afternoon after my nap.

Can say in this moment that I knew I was in the wrong first job about 4 months in. So solidarity. I didn't leave until about 1.5 years in (after 12 weeks of mat leave no less), and only because my husband really pushed me to find a new job. I can say wholeheartedly I wish I had left sooner.
 
Most people do not stay in their first job. It’s hard to know what is important and what you need in a job before you’ve ever done it before. It’s also hard to spot red flags. I never worked for a traditional clinic (pathologist here) so hopefully people like bats can offer more practical advice. Perhaps another clinic will cover what you spent/owe back as part of your hiring package somewhere else or you can use a sign on bonus from another clinic for that purpose. Or you can pick up some relief shifts or vaccine clinics to make some extra money to help recover that money and make it easier to leave and find a better fit. In some ways two years is a short period of time, but it also drags on if you know the workplace isn’t a good fit for you. Changing a workplace culture is difficult as a mere associate.
 
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1) I am sorry you are having this experience. Do you know how or why patients are waking up mid procedure? Like is the ISO running out or running too light? The fact there have been multiple pets wake up midproceudre is terrifying to me and NOT normal. With appropriate drugs and maintaining on gas your patients should not be waking up mid procedure.

2) Can you talk to the mentor/MD about your concerns? This might not get very far, but is worth a conversation. At my clinic we have a tech manager so if I have issues I go to them and taking 45 minutes to do an ear cytology is not acceptable.

3) it's ok to move on as others have said. I have no suggestions other than those mentioned above for paying back the $. Worse case scenario if you really need out, get a personal loan (not recommended but if all else fails)

While I don't love corporate medicine because of the $, not all of them are bad and it's about finding the place that works for you private or corporate when you start looking for a new position.

You might consider joining a mentor vet program to help you and your growth, I'm not part of any programs, but am here if you want to pm or anything. I'm willing to help if I can.
 
Unwillingly awake now, so my thoughts.

As Mixy said, these specific examples are not okay:
ear cytology take literally 45 minutes and doctors are expected to micromanage everything.
So many dentals just fully wake up mid procedure to the point where one or two had to be immediately extubated/extubated themselves
spay and was about to make my incision the patient fully woke up and needed to be restrained, extubated, reintubated and then scrubbed again
Why are these patients so light that they need legit extubation? I've had the one off patient that was light and needed either turned up or a titch more drugs. But none have ever been this light. Something is up with either your drug protocols, the machine, or technician training. These instances warrant some M&M discussion with your mentor or MD.

A cytology taking 45 minutes tells me there isn't enough competent staff. Even a baby tech should be able to do one in 10 minutes.

I started seen appointments literally 9-10 weeks ago and was scaled up from 6-8 to start to now 14-15 per day, with not enough help and immense amounts of stress.
How long are your appointments? My first job was 40 minute appointments for the senior doctors due to covid and we never scaled back down to the 20 minutes it used to be. 40 minutes was perfect for me and I needed to produce 250/appointment, which was very doable. 1 hour appointments at my old place would have put me at 9 appointments per day; the 40 minutes put me at 20 appointments per day with a mix of GP and sick. So it really depends on your comfort level.

I would say with *proper* mentorship and guidance, at 3 months post-grad, you should be able to handle 12-15 simple GP or sick appointments. But that's me having had *okay* (decent, not great) mentorship. It comes down to how much time you have per appointment and what level of depth you're needing for these cases. Especially if you've inherited complicates chronic cases

I made the decision to go corporate
Nothing wrong with this on the individual level. I worked for a big corporation in both jobs and one experience is significantly better than the other. YMMV based on your management and mentorship.
The sign on was 75k for two years but if I am honest I think I’ve got 9-12 months max before I tap out, but used the initial 35k from the sign on for life events and loans so don’t really have that to pull from.
This is why I'm strongly apposed to sign on bonuses and recommend having that money incorporated elsewhere (for knowledge of students that read this in the future). Agreed with Jayna your best bet is trying to have someone else "buy" your bonus that you owe to get out. A 35k personal loan would have brutal interest right now unless you have a good bank that knows you. But I would never recommend someone stay for the sake of the money.
 
Any advice on either making a difficult situation less awful or getting out of it entirely?
If you want to try to make it less awful, I would start with making a list of the things that are bothering you most. Brainstorm ways to improve those things, and then set up a meeting with your mentor or medical director to talk about the list, your possible solutions, and what can actually be done to make things better. They may not realize how much you're struggling. Like for the appointments - why is 14-15 too many? Take a look at your schedule with your mentor, make sure that most of your appointments are routine wellness, and that the sick appointments that get thrown in are given appropriate time. An ear infection appointment shouldn't take 45 minutes, but a vomiting patient might, so you shouldn't be asked to see 3 barfy pets in a row when you're starting out. If your clinic hasn't had a new grad in a while, your receptionists probably aren't aware that they should be scheduling differently for a new doc.

Since you're with a corporation, is moving to another clinic location an option if this one isn't able to meet your needs? Sometimes different clinics can have very different cultures, even though they're under the same corporate umbrella.
 
1) I am sorry you are having this experience. Do you know how or why patients are waking up mid procedure? Like is the ISO running out or running too light? The fact there have been multiple pets wake up midproceudre is terrifying to me and NOT normal. With appropriate drugs and maintaining on gas your patients should not be waking up mid procedure.

2) Can you talk to the mentor/MD about your concerns? This might not get very far, but is worth a conversation. At my clinic we have a tech manager so if I have issues I go to them and taking 45 minutes to do an ear cytology is not acceptable.

3) it's ok to move on as others have said. I have no suggestions other than those mentioned above for paying back the $. Worse case scenario if you really need out, get a personal loan (not recommended but if all else fails)

While I don't love corporate medicine because of the $, not all of them are bad and it's about finding the place that works for you private or corporate when you start looking for a new position.

You might consider joining a mentor vet program to help you and your growth, I'm not part of any programs, but am here if you want to pm or anything. I'm willing to help if I can.
Thank you for responding!

1) I genuinely think a lot of it is the patient’s are being run wayyy too light. I will ask my monitoring staff about vitals, jaw tone and eye position and things will be reportedly normal; also for dental procedures I am expected to be doing appointments simultaneously and expected to completely rely on assistant monitoring for how patients are doing, which I don’t feel comfortable with so I always have an eye on my patients. I also think that staff is not given appropriate training, because for the spay that woke up I asked if we were at a good level of anesthesia and the answer was yes when she popped up, but that specific person had not even checked the eye position or jaw tone.

2) I spoke with the area chief because whether or not it’s intentional my mentor occasionally makes me feel like an inconvenience. The area chief said the would try to make some changes.

3) I’m very interested in moving on and have interviewed for an internship outside of the match that said they would be open to taking me in before next year since one of their interns elected to not start the program back in July. It’s really paying back the sign on that is weighing heavily on me, but I worry about stagnating and being treated poorly if I stay.
 
Unwillingly awake now, so my thoughts.

As Mixy said, these specific examples are not okay:



Why are these patients so light that they need legit extubation? I've had the one off patient that was light and needed either turned up or a titch more drugs. But none have ever been this light. Something is up with either your drug protocols, the machine, or technician training. These instances warrant some M&M discussion with your mentor or MD.

A cytology taking 45 minutes tells me there isn't enough competent staff. Even a baby tech should be able to do one in 10 minutes.


How long are your appointments? My first job was 40 minute appointments for the senior doctors due to covid and we never scaled back down to the 20 minutes it used to be. 40 minutes was perfect for me and I needed to produce 250/appointment, which was very doable. 1 hour appointments at my old place would have put me at 9 appointments per day; the 40 minutes put me at 20 appointments per day with a mix of GP and sick. So it really depends on your comfort level.

I would say with *proper* mentorship and guidance, at 3 months post-grad, you should be able to handle 12-15 simple GP or sick appointments. But that's me having had *okay* (decent, not great) mentorship. It comes down to how much time you have per appointment and what level of depth you're needing for these cases. Especially if you've inherited complicates chronic cases


Nothing wrong with this on the individual level. I worked for a big corporation in both jobs and one experience is significantly better than the other. YMMV based on your management and mentorship.

This is why I'm strongly apposed to sign on bonuses and recommend having that money incorporated elsewhere (for knowledge of students that read this in the future). Agreed with Jayna your best bet is trying to have someone else "buy" your bonus that you owe to get out. A 35k personal loan would have brutal interest right now unless you have a good bank that knows you. But I would never recommend someone stay for the sake of the money.
1) I think anesthetic depth monitoring isn’t inherently the best as most individuals monitoring are trained for incredibly short periods of time before they are thrown in. Protocols are similar to what my other peers are doing from what I’ve found.

2) Staff training: There is no real formal training for any of the staff members and the single licensed technician (for three doctors) sees their own vaccine appointments and therein is not available to help with anything that the clinicians need.

3) Appointments are 30 minutes long. In surgery days drop off appointments are expected to be done while you are doing dental procedures as well as between your surgeries. I have done <10 surgeries since starting and have not been instructed on how to do extractions, but am expected to do solo procedures and in three weeks extractions on my own, which feels like a lot for me.
I spoke with my peers who graduated with me and none of them are seeing over 10 appointments daily, with those in internships typically seeing 6-8 and those in corporate typically seeing 8-10 (I haven’t spoken to anyone in private yet).

4) I don’t feel great about the degree of mentorship I have received. Like the mentor is generally pretty good about answering my questions but I ask for feedback constantly and there is none. We have never sat down about the things I feel I struggle with and it’s always kind of a “it comes with time,” conversation. I understand that they are also seeing a lot of appointments too so pressure is still on them to finish theirs and help with mine which I’m sure isn’t easy. But I feel as though I’ve brought up being very uncomfy with surgery at this location especially given the spay incident (which I almost fully had a panic attack during) and the general consensus is just kind of to get over it because I’ll have to do them sooner or later.

5) I wish there were more actual MM conversations because literally every single dental I have seen at this location (including the other clinicians) has been light, many to the degree where assistants are rushing to get propofol while someone holds their mouth closed so they don’t extubate themselves like a shepherd did last month 🙃.
 
If you want to try to make it less awful, I would start with making a list of the things that are bothering you most. Brainstorm ways to improve those things, and then set up a meeting with your mentor or medical director to talk about the list, your possible solutions, and what can actually be done to make things better. They may not realize how much you're struggling. Like for the appointments - why is 14-15 too many? Take a look at your schedule with your mentor, make sure that most of your appointments are routine wellness, and that the sick appointments that get thrown in are given appropriate time. An ear infection appointment shouldn't take 45 minutes, but a vomiting patient might, so you shouldn't be asked to see 3 barfy pets in a row when you're starting out. If your clinic hasn't had a new grad in a while, your receptionists probably aren't aware that they should be scheduling differently for a new doc.

Since you're with a corporation, is moving to another clinic location an option if this one isn't able to meet your needs? Sometimes different clinics can have very different cultures, even though they're under the same corporate umbrella.
In terms of appointment composition I would say it roughly breaks down to: 2 wellness with actually no concerns, 4-5 minor ailments or illnesses (ear infections, atopy with concurrent skin infection etc), ~ 8 moderate to marked illness ( complete non weight bearing lameness, vomiting, diarrhea, ADRs that turn into renal/liver failure, endocrinopathies- typically just getting diagnosed or not appropriately regulated).
Appointments are often late by 7-10 minutes and staff will talk with them for ~10 minutes before I get to see them giving me between 10-20 minutes to develop a game plan, get samples, discuss diagnostic results (since most things are run in house), and address all concerns.
I’ve spoken with classmates who say that the distribution and number of appointments is pretty atypical compared to what is expected of them, which I think contributes to the time crunch, but honestly I’m also not incredibly fast at the moment so that doesn’t help.
 
This is easier said than done, but advocating for yourself in a constructive way would be what you need to do if you're going to say. Asking for more of those wellness and simple sicks would be an example. Advocating for CE for the assistants/techs running anesthesia, especially for those who have these incidents happen.

Likewise, leaving is your alternative. Which I think is also fair; it's what I did. If they ask for an exit interview, then being honest would potentially benefit more people in the long run if there's anyone willing to listen.
 
This is easier said than done, but advocating for yourself in a constructive way would be what you need to do if you're going to say. Asking for more of those wellness and simple sicks would be an example. Advocating for CE for the assistants/techs running anesthesia, especially for those who have these incidents happen.

Likewise, leaving is your alternative. Which I think is also fair; it's what I did. If they ask for an exit interview, then being honest would potentially benefit more people in the long run if there's anyone willing to listen.
I have sat down with the area chief and discussed things and in terms of my anxiousness with surgery they referred me to a previous doctor who worked at my location who left for low cost spay neuter who is willing to mentor me (very appreciative of her), but they offered no solution for distribution of appointments or additional training for the staff.
The staff also voices their concerns very often and is constantly ignored. This is something that has been said to staff when they voiced their concerns: “none of you are irreplaceable.” Consequently 2/3s staff members are actively trying to leave, but are often gaslit too with phrases like “oh you think you’ll just get another job outside of this place easily?”
 
“oh you think you’ll just get another job outside of this place easily?”
Excuse my language, but **** yeah they will. Good staff is hard to find and worth their weight in gold. If no employee is irreplaceable, no place of employment is equally not irreplaceable.

At this point, I would say cutting your losses would be to your long term benefit. I wish I had left sooner.
 
Excuse my language, but **** yeah they will. Good staff is hard to find and worth their weight in gold. If no employee is irreplaceable, no place of employment is equally not irreplaceable.

At this point, I would say cutting your losses would be to your long term benefit. I wish I had left sooner.
Yeah, I think I am just going to have to figure out a way to pay back my sign on bonus, because I don’t love how anyone is treated at this location. I may attempt to have a location switch and see if it better elsewhere, but from what I’ve heard all local doctors are being pressed really hard for performance since three new locations have been opened within a five mile radius and five additional are anticipated to be open by early next year, so there aren’t enough of they types of appointments they want to go around.
 
three new locations have been opened within a five mile radius and five additional are anticipated to be open by early next year,
Depending on the area you're in, this is also a red flag for me
 
The staff also voices their concerns very often and is constantly ignored. This is something that has been said to staff when they voiced their concerns: “none of you are irreplaceable.” Consequently 2/3s staff members are actively trying to leave, but are often gaslit too with phrases like “oh you think you’ll just get another job outside of this place easily?”
Yeah **** this.

It's hard enough to learn to be a doctor. Don't try to do it in a place where it's obvious your higher ups don't gaf about your patients or staff.

I know you understand this now and I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, but this is why I'm absolutely opposed to large sign on bonuses, especially for new grads - you've never been a doctor before! You only have theoretical ideas of what you *actually* want/need in a position, binding you to a practice like that just sucks when sooooo many people leave their first jobs.

If you need another person to chat about cases with, feel free to PM me. I'm eight years out and have done 50/50 GP and ER so happy to give you feedback on things. But my other feedback is get the hell out of that hospital into a place that actually accepts suggestions and cares about their patients.
 
As someone who left my hooooorrrible first job by Thanksgiving, I opened up this thread ready to say, “same dude, same. Don’t hesitate to leave the first horrible job. Get out!”

But honestly I didn’t see anything in your first post that made me say this is a horrible job. Though I agree there are concerns. I really don’t think 14-15 appts per day is unreasonable at this point, if that is what you are seeing total (not just what you are scheduled for in addition to things that get added on). Unless your salary is low and/or you are working a ton of shifts per week or your average transaction is super high, 8-10 appts per day is likely not earning your keep. So I do think some readjustment of expectations are due on your part.

That being said. There are issues, and what came up in your later posts are worse than in your original post imho.

1.) re: waking sx patients. Who is coming up with the anesthesia protocols? What is it? I think some adjustments might be in order, and you should be able to do that (if not, that is a problem). Who is monitoring anesthesia, how qualified are they, and what is being monitored? What are the parameters that the anesthetist feel comfortable interpreting, and what anesthesia decisions are they qualified to be making without further input? I think it would be beneficial for you to not scrub in until the patient is prepped. It might delay you cutting for 5 minutes, but I would go through one round of monitoring with the anesthetist together just prior to scrubbing in so that you can both be on the same page about where the patient is starting and discuss the plan moving forward after you scrub in - start that communication and have a plan to keep it open throughout the procedure. I often keep my dental patients pretty light (they often still have swallow reflex) and they don’t pop awake. So something is not right there. If you wanted to talk through what is happening with anesthesia because you are not confident about it, I’m happy to do so. Feel free to DM me.

2.) Lack of efficiency overall - partly it is you, but hugely it is the staff. A really good team can prop up a fairly incompetent doctor (I’m not saying this is you) and keep them moving. In my second job barely 6 mos out scarred from a truly ****ty situation, I had an incredible team that made me perform like a kickass vet. They directed me from one place to the next, and took care of all nondoctor things. As soon as I would come out of a room, I wrote down my orders for the patient and let the staff know if I needed to talk to the client again or if they could complete the appt, and off they went after telling me, “you’re in room 2 next, short synopsis is X, hx is written in records otherwise. Right ear was nasty, TNTC rods, left ear 2+ rods, occ yeast. Do you have an ear med you want me to make up or wait until exam? O wants apoquel and ear cleaner refill, so i put that in the invoice already. After that, so and so is just checking in your euthanasia 18 year old cat so I figured she could go ahead and go over aftercare and check client out as you’re finishing this case, is that ok?” True teamwork where amazing techs really helped me out while allowing me to still be the doctor in charge. And we got through a lot of cases, no thanks to me.

So you’re right. You’re not getting the support you need, and neither is your support staff. There sounds to be a management issue (which unfortunately is rampant in this profession). This is a tough one, because finding another job is easy, but with a severe tech shortage, it’s hard to find a clinic with a well oiled support team with excellent management that isn’t occupied already with doctors who want to stay there and in a place to mentor a new grad. And given the huge cost to you for leaving, I’m not sure hopping will solve your problems. Does not hurt to start looking, but I wouldn’t hop until you know the next clinic will not have the same issues. And know it’s easy to have rose colored glasses and want to believe the next management that tells you how “everyone is like family” (honestly those words are red flags - heed with caution).

You said everyone is nice enough, which is huge. This means that you have some capacity to work together with your team to make some improvements (knowing that you are constrained in what changes you can make as a low man on the totem pole). But with the team you are working with, you can discuss ways that will help efficiency when working specifically with you. Think about all the steps involved in turning over an appointment from check in to check out. Knowing you cannot add staff, assess which staff members including yourself and front desk staff are responsible for what? Where is the bottleneck? Where can some of that shift (order of execution and also who is performing it) to ensure efficiency. If the inefficiency is that you are sitting around waiting for hx to be taken and then waiting around again for cytology… then you have the power to change that. And so many ways to do so. Can the assistant ask for permission to obtain cytology samples prior to getting full history and hand them to you for know skin/ear patients, and you can read previous hx and stain/read cytology slides and start putting together some meds while assistant completes hx before you actually go in the room?

It sucks the morale is bad and the management is awful to staff. But until you and/or staff find greener pastures (or if it’s corporate sometimes the management will get purged and hopefully you get a better one), you have each other to prop up. You are both stuck there until you do, so you might as well make the best of it. And both you and staff are inexperienced so the more you grow now, the better if will be for you moving forward whether it be at this clinic or the next. Again, happy to brainstorm if you would like someone to talk through your situation with.

3.) my biggest deal breaker with your situation is actually the dentistry. I can assure you that you will never be performing quality dentistry if the model is that you are seeing appointments while your dental patient is under. Yes there can be downtime during a dental procedure if your staff is good, but certainly not long enough for you to see appointments (especially at the rate you’re seeing appointments). A full mouth cat rad and full cleaning without any noted pathology needing treatment (i.e. the parts the tech will be taking care of) takes half an hour. You should be able to use that time to do callbacks, rx refills and other DVM tasks, write records etc… but not see appointments. Typically clinics that have techs “do dentals” while the DVM sees cases are not appropriately diagnosing and treating oral disease, nor will they ever support a DVM who wants to. And you need appropriate training to perform adequate dentistry. Honestly, dentistry is like the steepest learning curve in general practice. This isn’t a figure out how to pull teeth on your own situation. You can do that with a tail amp or cystotomy, but not a dental. Can they send you to CE? Even if you can’t change the shoddy dentistry program in your clinic, you can at least grow so that you can develop those skills to either implement when something changes at this clinic or you leave. But there’s no reason that you can’t start learning and improving what you can do.

I’m sorry this is rough. I hate to say it but I think I do need to be a bit of a downer and tell you that what you are experiencing is mostly garden variety frustrations of associate vets that leave them disillusioned. This is the crap that leaves vets to leave the profession prematurely. Are there greener pastures? Yes absolutely. Are there amazing clinics? Yes absolutely. But this is like that dog aggressive hyper excitable can’t walk on a leash but super sweet and happy pit bull with horrible skin that needs to be rehomed because it doesn’t mesh well in the current household situation. It needs that perfect home, that we all know exists somewhere but is hard to find. Start looking, but don’t jump into the next available home that isn’t going to work out. But in the meantime, change what you can to make things better for you in the current situation. Be clear about what you can change and what you can’t, and concentrate on the former. Don’t dwell on the latter. That’s how you end up in a dark place. Unfortunately you are shackled with financial debt to the company for another 20 months or so… so you have a lot of skin in the game should you decide to leave for an opportunity that isn’t 100% worth it.

I know I sound like a Debbie downer. But I’ve walked in your shoes, and one thing I wish someone had done sooner was slapped me in the face and told me this is just a job and a way to earn a living first and foremost. It cannot be where I depend on finding fulfillment in life. That is what results in misery and resentment and depression due to the job. My advice to you is to define what is “good enough” for what you need from your job, and determine if current situation is already or can become “good enough” as a place you earn your living (not where you fulfill your soul). If not, what makes it not good enough? And how easy/hard is it for you to find that elsewhere? If it’s attainable, start looking. If it’s not, dig deep and figure out why it is a dealbreaker for you and if that is a fair expectation to hinge your happiness on. Yes, a lot of us came into his profession because it was our calling, and we have this incredible passion for what this career can be. It is immensely hurtful when workplace mismanagement impinges on your ability to realize this vision. Yes you deserve to try and find that unicorn clinic that fulfills you, and it is out there. But it is equally, if not more important, to define and attain “good enough” for your sanity in the meantime. Another really hard lesson I learned along the way is that I am the easiest part to change in this… as much as that is incredibly hard to admit and then actually make happen. But the less I rely on my job for my happiness (let’s be real, I still do… it is incredibly hard to let go for someone who’s life is defined largely by their career… but I’ve gotten better), the more enjoyable my job becomes ironically.
 
I think I am just going to have to figure out a way to pay back my sign on bonus
I think a lot of people have to learn this the hard way, especially when certain hospitals are advertising absolutely insane bonuses. It's great when the job works out, not so great when you're miserable and have to pay back $150k (or more) all at once. Be careful about getting another clinic to buy you out (robbing Peter to pay Paul, if you will) - it may end up being the best option, but does not come without risk. See if someone with expertise can review the contract with you before you commit.

In the future, if your circumstances allow, take your sign on bonus and invest it somehow. Or just sit on it while it's in a savings account getting a bit of interest. Don't spend it until your sign on period expires, or at least until you can see the finish line. Not sure how many people actually do that, but that is some advice I've gotten several times over the years while poking around for different jobs.
 
The other thing to consider is that often you get taxed on the sign on bonus, so what you got was a net sum… but what you owe is the whole gross sum back. Much of what you never got in the first place because it went to the feds and state. So the pay back situation is really not awesome.
 
The other thing to consider is that often you get taxed on the sign on bonus, so what you got was a net sum… but what you owe is the whole gross sum back. Much of what you never got in the first place because it went to the feds and state. So the pay back situation is really not awesome.
Another reason I don't like sign on bonuses: you get less of the money since bonuses are taxed more than regular income. So you lose out on a bigger chunk of that money.
 
My sign on was 75k for two years with 35k already spent and 55k dispensed to me. I asked them to not dispense the remainder. I was fortunate enough that I had told a friend about my position and it pushed them to sign (different hospital across the country that they really like thank goodness!) so I got a referral from that of 25k. So I really only would have 35k to pay back and actually have exactly that if I were to exhaust my personal account.

I applied to an internship for the upcoming year and they had an individual drop out and so they were inquiring if I would maybe just want to start early in the next few months. So I may just take the financial hit and be happier hopefully.
 
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