Post Bac Work vs. MPH

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I have decided to take a year off and pursue post bac work or to do an MPH in my parents hometown of Louisville, KY to get my weak GPA a boost (3.2). I already have 120 credits from my old undergrad school. How many classes would I have to take to get the 3.2 up to a 3.4 or 3.5?? Is this almost impossible in two semesters of post bac?

I am also going to be studying my butt off for the MCAT to improve the 25 that I recieved the last time that I took it.

One more option is that I do an MPH at the University of Louisville. Can you guys give me some advice to what the best thing to do would be? Thanks a lot.
 
What does retaking a course do?
For example, I got a C in genetics and a C in Cell Bio. Will taking these classes over at the new institution help my BCMP GPA up a little bit, or would it make more sense to take upper level science classes to show adcoms that I can handle upper level courses?
I know for D.O. schools that they take the latter grade, but I am going for an M.D.
The University of Louisville has a 3.6 average with a 27 average MCAT. I have a 3.2 from the university of missouri with a 25 MCAT. What would be the best way to improve my credentials? I will be living with my parents (lame I know) and will be studying my butt of for classes and the MCAT. Thanks all for the help.
 
mizzoudude said:
I have decided to take a year off and pursue post bac work or to do an MPH in my parents hometown of Louisville, KY to get my weak GPA a boost (3.2). I already have 120 credits from my old undergrad school. How many classes would I have to take to get the 3.2 up to a 3.4 or 3.5?? Is this almost impossible in two semesters of post bac?

I am also going to be studying my butt off for the MCAT to improve the 25 that I recieved the last time that I took it.

One more option is that I do an MPH at the University of Louisville. Can you guys give me some advice to what the best thing to do would be? Thanks a lot.

Graduate and undergraduate GPA's are not merged, so study toward an MPH won't help the GPA. But places will regard graduate degrees as positive resume enhancers.
 
I already have 120 credits from my old undergrad school. How many classes would I have to take to get the 3.2 up to a 3.4 or 3.5?? Is this almost impossible in two semesters of post bac?
If my calculations are correct:

With 120 credits @ 3.2, you'll need ~40 credits with a 4.0 to get a 3.4

With 120 credits @ 3.2, you'll need ~70 credits with a 4.0 to get a 3.5

If you want to raise your gpa up to a 3.4 in one year, that would require that you take close to 20 c.h. / semester. That's pretty hardcore. If you can take a 4 c.h. summer course or a winter break course (the latter is rare), it might be more doable.

If you're going for a 3.5, you should plan to do at least two years of postbaccalaureate coursework.
I am also going to be studying my butt off for the MCAT to improve the 25 that I recieved the last time that I took it.
If you're going for a 3.4 in one year, you'll need to take a lot of credits. This may make it difficult for you to study for the MCAT as much as you would like.
One more option is that I do an MPH at the University of Louisville. Can you guys give me some advice to what the best thing to do would be? Thanks a lot.
Are you interested in public health?

Some people seem to get the impression that the MPH is like a free ticket into med school. That's simply not the case. It would be beneficial to have public health experience when applying for med schools and your public health education may make you a better or more versatile physician. The MPH would be a definite plus for a med school application, but I wouldn't go the MPH route to make up for a less than stellar undergraduate academic record. And like Law2Doc said, undergraduate and graduate GPAs are not merged. Graduate programs can make up for undergrad GPAs, but grad programs do not improve your undergrad GPA. If you are going to go the graduate route to prove that your undergrad academic record is not representative of your capabilities, I would choose a hard science, biomedically-related program over an MPH or MSPH.
What does retaking a course do?
For example, I got a C in genetics and a C in Cell Bio. Will taking these classes over at the new institution help my BCMP GPA up a little bit, or would it make more sense to take upper level science classes to show adcoms that I can handle upper level courses?
My personal opinion on retakes is that you probably shouldn't retake unless:
(1) you received a grade of C- or lower
(2) it's been years since you've studied the material and you need to refresh your memory
(3) you don't feel that you've grasped the material well enough
(4) you're trying to replace grades so that you can pad your GPA for the AACOMAS (DO) application.

I'm sure there may be other valid reasons, but that's what I can think of for now.

I know for D.O. schools that they take the latter grade, but I am going for an M.D.
That's correct. The DO application will only calculate your most recent grade if you retake, regardless if the grade is higher or lower than the previous grade(s).

If you received a C in Cell Biology for 3 credits and then you retake and get an A for 3 credits, both grades show up on the AMCAS (MD) application. For these two courses, it would be like having a 3.0 gpa for 6 credits.

If you received a C in Cell Biology for 3 credits and then you take a different upper-division bio class for 3 credits and get an A, both grades show up on AMCAS. Same effect on your GPA--this would be like having a 3.0 gpa for 6 credits.

The University of Louisville has a 3.6 average with a 27 average MCAT. I have a 3.2 from the university of missouri with a 25 MCAT. What would be the best way to improve my credentials? I will be living with my parents (lame I know) and will be studying my butt of for classes and the MCAT. Thanks all for the help.
Are you hoping to go the med school in Kentucky? If you're interested in the University of Kentucky and the University of Louisville, I would contact the med schools' admissions offices and see what they advise. I'm willing to bet that they will tell you that you need to enhance your academic record through either postbaccalaureate or graduate coursework (some adcoms focus almost solely on the undergraduate GPA while others recommend graduate programs) and to raise your MCAT to compensate for your undergrad GPA (probably a 30+ for these schools). But this is just my guess, so you'll probably want to get the advice directly from the source.

The Kentucky schools have their own graduate programs too. Louisville has programs through their Physiology and Biophysics department that are specifically designed for improving your academic credentials for med school. However, I believe the deadlines have passed for this year (July 1). I think these masters programs are two-years in duration. Louisville also has an MS in Anatomical Sciences and Neurobiology that is premed-friendly. I highly doubt that these programs will carry the weight of programs like Georgetown, BU, etc. However, if you are a state resident (I'm confused because you went to Mizzou) then these programs are much cheaper (even without teaching/research assistantships or stipends) and may be sufficient for getting you into the Kentucky MD schools. I don't know too much about these programs, but I'll give you some links:

University of Louisville: MS in Anatomical Sciences and Neurobiology
http://www.louisville.edu/medschool/anatomy/1-program/program.html
http://graduate.louisville.edu/prog_pubs/programs/biomedicalsci/anat.html

University of Louisville: Postbaccalaureate Premedical Opportunity

University of Louisville: MS in Physiology and Biophysics, pre-professional, non-thesis


Kentucky also has a program. I don't know much about this one either:
University of Kentucky: MS in Medical Sciences
 
My vote is to go with a formal post bac program. When rejected by Drexel Med on my first round of applying, I got information on the MPH and the IMS program. I interviewed and was accepted to both, and when trying to make up my mind, it was the MPH director that pushed me to IMS. Basically she said that an MPH is NOT a stepping stone to medical school any more than any other non-science graduate degree. It's also hard work in a field I wasn't overly interested in and an extra $20K compared to two years of post bac work.

As far as the GPA goes, your math science GPA matters a whole lot more to medical schools than your overall GPA. Though it would take a really full load to get your overall GPA up to a 3.4, it might not take as much (or could take more) depending on what your math science GPA is.

I have to put in a plug for Drexel's IMS program (who extended the deadline for applications to July 15th) because I thought it was great and provides students with the reseources they need to get themselves into medical school.
 
First, you guys are all awesome (especially philanthropist)!!

Second, I talked to the University admissions counselor last night and we were talking about my stats and activities etc. She said that if I took two 4 hour upper level science classes each of the upcoming semesters while working and did better on the MCAT in april, I would be much more competitive of an applicant. Dr. Falcone's program with the post-bac premedical program looks kick ass! Though it doesn't grant a degree it looks so great! The material was however due on the 1st 🙁 I am going to try and call him today and describe my situation to him and see if he will let me apply.

Thank you guys for all of your help and I will let you know how the application process and the program goes (if I attend) and we will see what the future holds. Good luck to you all. SDN for life! (I feel so corny saying that...but if I had known about this site when I was a freshman in college, it would have saved me a lot of time and money!)
 
I talked to Dr. Falcone, the "prgram director" and he discussed that he would rather see me do a masters instead of doing the informal post bacc. This way I would have something to fall back on if I didn't get in. He stated that 50% of the students got into medical school at U of L and 70% got in somewhere after the program. He also said that there were a couple of students who got jobs in the pharmaceutical industry and a few that became biopatent lawyers (he for some reason stressed that this was a really high paying job).

The cost per semester is only $3003!!! (I am getting instate residence because my parents live in Louisville). He was fairly positive on my stats and said I had a chance of getting in. Though the application due date was July 1st, he encouraged me to apply as soon as possible so that he could try and get me in.

I am pretty excited about the program...it is a two year program with research the last two semesters, but I will have a lag year while I am applying anyway. Thanks for all the information again guys and I hope this works out...
 
Hi Mizzoudude,

Did you go through with the UofL Post-Bac? I'm applying and just curious what your experience was.

Thanks!
 
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