post-doc list serves/announcements

[erg923]

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We have discussed this before, but can someone remind me what are the good email list-servers to join for staying up to date on post-doc annoucments? I am also looking for ones that send out job notifications and/or jobs where one can also obtain appropriate post-doc supervsion hours as well.

The VA internship site I matched to does indeed have a post-doc, but as of now, my wife and I are going to try hard to leave there and get back to my homestate for the rest of my career. Anyone know of any good post-doc positions in KY?

 

[O Gurl]

Try the APPIC Post-Doc Network Email List. Send a blank email to:

[email protected]

Also, your internship TD will probably send you announcements as they come out. 🙂

 

[aventurine]

If you haven't already, try joining the NewPsychList yahoo group.

 

[Markro311]

For anyone interested in university counseling center post-docs/staff positions, I recommend PICC (Positions in Counseling Centers). I hope to make use of it, although my upcoming internship also has the possibility of being my post-doc as well 🙂

 

[erg923]

Thank you! I joined both. It looks like the yahoo group sends out quite a view job announcments too. Any other list-servs of that nature (common starting jobs/positions).

How common is it for someone to accrue the post-doc hours needed for licensure within the fiest year of a full-time, salaried, staff position and NOT as/at formal post-doc? I assume some people get these hours within a PP or group pp too, right?

 

[Psychstuca]

I wonder if there are any negative consequences of getting a job straight out of internship, versus a formal postdoc. Are there any potential career limitations expected for a psychologist without a formal postdoc (neuro and academic research careers excluded)? Appreciate if anyone can share any insghts on this.

 

[O Gurl]

To the best of my understanding, there is no real drawback to going straight to work and bypassing a postdoc. The main benefit to a postdoc is that it is a year or two of training-oriented practice while a job is just that--a job. There is of course on-the-job training that occurs out of necessity, however the emphasis is on providing the service you were hired to provide. Therefore, there are less allowances for professional development time, didactics, protected research time (if it is a clinical job), etc. Also, if you are looking to specialize or seek board certification in a certain area, the process of acquiring hours in that specialized field may be easier through a postdoc. For instance, if you want to pursue ABBP certification as a rehabilitation psychologist, you either have to land a job straight from internship that provides a good amount of access to a relevant population (e.g. spinal cord injury or TBI) or pursue a postdoc in that area. I am just completing postdoc interviews and decided to go that route because I'd like to "rebrand" and move from from one research area to another. Therefore, I really need my first post-degree position to provide for additional research mentorship and protected time to pursue this. If not, then I'd be excited to get straight to a full-time position.It is really all about what you want.

In terms of private practice, you can get supervised hours this way, but it may be tricky in terms of billing for your services in the the meantime (sans license). However, if you can find a supervisor within a practice or firm that is willing to sign off for you, it is a good option. A good number of private practice postdocs (mostly testing-focused) have been announced through the APPIC list serve.

 

[erg923]

To the best of my understanding, there is no real drawback to going straight to work and bypassing a postdoc.

Some have highlighted that a big drawback to not doing a post-doc is geographic mobility. That is, you can get licensed in AL without post-doc hours/supervision, but if you ever unexpectedly had to move to CA (for example), you would NOT be license eligible there because you didn't receive appropriate post-doc supervision. Thus, employers would be wary of hiring you. This is the way is has been explained to me anyway. Is all very, very confusing to say the least.

Fortunately, I know for a fact that we will be settling permanently in 2 of these 11 states, so I am not very worried about this issue.

 

[Markro311]

Some have highlighted that a big drawback to not doing a post-doc is geographic mobility. That is, you can get licensed in AL without post-doc hours/supervision, but if you ever unexpectedly had to move to CA, you would NOT be license eligible there because you didn’t receive appropriate post-doc supervision. Thus, employers would be wary of hiring you. This is the way is has been explained to me anyway. Is all very, very confusing to say the least.

Fortunately, I know for a fact that we will be settling permanently in 2 of these 11 states, so I am not very worried about this issue.

So even if you get licensed in 1 of those 11 states (without a post-doc), and say work for a few years as a licensed clinical psychologist, you may not be able to transfer that license to 1 of the other 39 states then? That is ridiculous.

 

[erg923]

Its not that extreme but there are quite a few states that have recipriosity with each other. However, im sure there ARE some states to state moves where this could certainly happen. Yes, licensing in psych is an absolute mess!!!

 

[AcronymAllergy]

Its not that extreme but there are quite a few states that have recipriosity with each other. However, im sure there ARE some states to state moves where this could certainly happen. Yes, licensing in psych is an absolute mess!!!

As I mentioned earlier, I know from looking up Georgia's licensure laws that it doesn't have reciprocity. However, they do have a "senior psychologist" clause which allows exemption from some of the requirements (such as the postdoctoral supervision hours) if someone has been licensed and practicing in another state for at least 10 years. Which I gather to mean that if you don't have the postdoctoral supervision and have been licensed for fewer than 10 years, you're SOL.

 

[O Gurl]

Ah, yes. Reciprocity. I did my graduate training in one of the states that does not require postdoc hours and did not hear much about relocation issues from any who left. But yes, this could be an issue... Sigh. Nothing about this process is easy. I wonder how this lack-of-reciprocity is working out in GA? I can't imagine many practicing psychologists taking a step back to do a post doc simply to satisfy the GA state board... I wonder how many talented professionals they lose out on?

 

[AcronymAllergy]

ASPPB seems to keep a fairly up-to-date list of the various licensure requirements for each state; it's where I looked up the GA info. Just in case anyone is interested in their own state.

 

[graduatingsoon]

I would highly recommend doing a formal post-doc. The people that I know who didn't apply for formal post-docs, had a very difficult time finding any job at all---particularly a job with supervision where you can get your hours. People seem to think that they will get "higher paying" jobs if they bypass the post-doc, but from my experience this has not generally been the case. All my collegues did APA accredited internships and still faced very keen competition for post-docs and jobs. If you do a job search online, it is very hard to find any positions that do not require either licensed psychologists or licensed social workers (sadly, when you get to the real world, you see that psychologists are often grouped with social workers for the exact same position).