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Anyone get unsolicited (ie they didnt contact the program program first) post-interview feedback from any of the big academic Cali programs? Just curious as we sit in no-man's land for the next month.

As for me, I didnt hear from any of the programs that I didnt go out of the way to contact myself.
 
From the nill responses, the answer is probably no. But, i do know that ucsf had something shady going (which was actually a big turn off for me). They invited select applicants to come for a second look. It was definitely very hush hush.
 
From the nill responses, the answer is probably no. But, i do know that ucsf had something shady going (which was actually a big turn off for me). They invited select applicants to come for a second look. It was definitely very hush hush.

Sadly that's not the only Cali program Ive heard that has been doing that...
 
Sadly that's not the only Cali program Ive heard that has been doing that...

do you mind me asking who else? im gonna go with a guess of ucla..purely speculation
 
Has anyone heard anything from Cedars Sinai? Thanks in advance.
 
From the nill responses, the answer is probably no. But, i do know that ucsf had something shady going (which was actually a big turn off for me). They invited select applicants to come for a second look. It was definitely very hush hush.

Say it aint so!!!!!!!! Just when I thought there was ONE program which did not play the "game." 🙁
 
Guys, take all the stuff here with a grain of salt. Did UCSF really invite certain people for a second look? Maybe, but that doesn't mean you won't match there if you want it.
 
It's top-tier medicine . . . all elitism, cronyism, and nepotism . . . it doesn't surprise me one bit. Just re-emphasizes the whole idea of finding the right fit.
 
Guys, take all the stuff here with a grain of salt. Did UCSF really invite certain people for a second look? Maybe, but that doesn't mean you won't match there if you want it.

Yeah I agree. UCSF already interviews far fewer applicants than most other programs, and most (if not all) of those applicants are interviewing at all the other top programs so they're not all going to rank UCSF #1. Bottomline is the that the math is very much in your favor if you chose to rank them #1. Its jumping to conclusions to assume that there is anything underhanded about these second looks, or even that not getting an invite means you're not towards the top of their list. How do we know these aren't just for people who are undecided? I got a nice, positive email from the PD the day after my interview, sent one back that said they would likely be my top choice, and got a very positive response to that. I didn't get some 2nd look invite, and frankly if I had it would have been pointless, I can't afford to fly back out west to revisit a program I already know I love.

Everyone I've talked to at my home institution who knows the PD says he's a very straightforward guy who doesn't play games. I give them the benefit of the doubt that these 2nd looks are completely innocent and don't play a significant role in generating their rank list.
 
I tend to disagree. Most places leave their second looks open to ANYONE who interviews there. The fact that certain programs only ask back certain applicants means that 1) if you dont get a second look, you are not ranked highly and 2) the program is shady.

Im actually not surprised to hear this, Ive heard stories of applicants being "ranked to match" and not matching there.

I guess its just the way the big names play... Ill just take my ball and play elsewhere.
 
I tend to disagree. Most places leave their second looks open to ANYONE who interviews there. The fact that certain programs only ask back certain applicants means that 1) if you dont get a second look, you are not ranked highly and 2) the program is shady.

Im actually not surprised to hear this, Ive heard stories of applicants being "ranked to match" and not matching there.

I guess its just the way the big names play... Ill just take my ball and play elsewhere.

I hear what you're saying, but the faculty that I speak with here who know the program and know the PD say that that's simply not the case and I tend to trust that information over internet speculation.
 
I hear what you're saying, but the faculty that I speak with here who know the program and know the PD say that that's simply not the case and I tend to trust that information over internet speculation.

Actually what Im talking about is first-hand, but by virtue of this being an anonymous internet messageboard what you're saying is as much "internet speculation" as what I'm saying.

Ah well, I think different people do well with different types of programs, and if you're more comfortable with the gamesmanship more power to you. I personally dont have the personality to succeed in an environment like that and I plan to rank accordingly.

Anyway what Ive said is the extent of my knowledge about this topic so I got nothing more to contribute.
 
Actually what Im talking about is first-hand, but by virtue of this being an anonymous internet messageboard what you're saying is as much "internet speculation" as what I'm saying.

Hey man, you have your opinion and that's fine, I'm not trying to change your mind. What I was trying to say is that we should all form opinions based on the best available information that we have, and that such information rarely comes courtesy of an anonymous online message board.

For me, the rumor that some people are doing second looks and the conclusion you reached, "The program is shady and the alleged second looks affect ranking" strike me as paranoid and just doesn't jive with everything else I know about the program from meeting the PD, spending a bunch of time with the residents, talking with former classmates at the program, talking with faculty at my school that know the place, etc etc. My point is that I'd have to be pretty crazy to change my perception based on the histrionics of the SDN sewing circle.

You too should form an opinion based on the best information you have, and I don't expect you to take what I say as gospel, but I will say your thinking (rumor of second looks=shady program) is a little black and white and suggest that you could consider giving people the benefit of the doubt. I just think people are jumping to some pretty wild conclusions in this thread based on almost no, actual, information...
 
You too should form an opinion based on the best information you have, and I don't expect you to take what I say as gospel, but I will say your thinking (rumor of second looks=shady program) is a little black and white and suggest that you could consider giving people the benefit of the doubt. I just think people are jumping to some pretty wild conclusions in this thread based on almost no, actual, information...

Uhh.. before this thread gets hijacked any further (you two should get a room!), has anyone heard from any Cali programs (in a shady or legit fashion) :laugh:
 
I think you had only asked about the big academic programs, but word is that people have now also heard from Olive View and Cedars. (gotten unsolicited emails)

Not having heard a peep from either, I think I have to rule out matching at either one of them. I mean, if a program tells select students they really want them, and you're not one of those, how likely is it you'll match there?
 
I think you had only asked about the big academic programs, but word is that people have now also heard from Olive View and Cedars. (gotten unsolicited emails)

Not having heard a peep from either, I think I have to rule out matching at either one of them. I mean, if a program tells select students they really want them, and you're not one of those, how likely is it you'll match there?

Still quite likely.

With few exceptions, programs do end up going pretty far down their rank lists. With so many spots to fill, this is inevitable. To fill a program with 30 interns, it is totally conceivable that the person a program ranks 100 will match, but the program director may not have time to write 100 personalized e-mails or cards. The 20, 30 or 40 people he or she does choose to write will not all decide to rank that program highly.

Amongst California programs, I have gotten some sort of communication from White Memorial, Huntington, Scripps Mercy, and Loma Linda.
 
agree with Velo above. as a disclaimer, i'm a resident at UCSF. i hadn't heard that UC had invited people for second looks, but if that is the case, why would that make the program undesirable? does that really reflect something essential about the program that it makes strong attempts to recruit its top choices? particularly when it's not against match policies? i don't see how it makes the program "shady", nor does it seem to impact my experience at UC. If people are truly wanting to know about UC, you could divine more by talking with residents than by reading a lot into recruitment procedures.

when i applied, i received unsolicited calls from BWH and MGH as well, with the "ranked to match" and "you've got a spot here" comments. Does that make all of these programs shady? or only UC because it invited people for 2nd looks?

i didn't attend any second looks but wish that i had, or that i had at least talked to numerous residents from each program, so that i could have made my decision based upon as much information as possible. as it were, i did based largely on my loose perceptions of location, visceral interview day impressions, some discussion with faculty, and all of the paper and website info they threw at us. I don't know whether I would have chosen a different place, but my decision-making process would have been different.

I wouldn't have made a major life decision (or at least 3 year commitment) based on recruitment techniques, but I can understand that when you're working with limited information and making a really tough decision, every little thing counts viscerally.

best of luck to everyone. it's a difficult time.
 
Hi all -
Can anyone confirm whether they have received unsolicited emails/calls from Cedars, Harbor, Olive View or UCSD? Thank you.
 
UCSD sent out a generic group email this past week. Dont know about anyone else.
 
UCSD sent out a generic group email this past week. Dont know about anyone else.

What was this email like? I got one that sounded kinda lukewarm --e.g. we finished out rank list... I hope you're still thinking about us. Just wondering if anyone got something better than that.
 
What was this email like? I got one that sounded kinda lukewarm --e.g. we finished out rank list... I hope you're still thinking about us. Just wondering if anyone got something better than that.

Bingo.
 
Didn't hear anything from the UC's (including San Diego) except for a generic email from UCLA describing the updated schedule for residents working a the new hospital. Looks beautiful!
 
I got the same letter from UCSD
 
agree with Velo above. as a disclaimer, i'm a resident at UCSF. i hadn't heard that UC had invited people for second looks, but if that is the case, why would that make the program undesirable? does that really reflect something essential about the program that it makes strong attempts to recruit its top choices? particularly when it's not against match policies? i don't see how it makes the program "shady", nor does it seem to impact my experience at UC. If people are truly wanting to know about UC, you could divine more by talking with residents than by reading a lot into recruitment procedures.

when i applied, i received unsolicited calls from BWH and MGH as well, with the "ranked to match" and "you've got a spot here" comments. Does that make all of these programs shady? or only UC because it invited people for 2nd looks?

i didn't attend any second looks but wish that i had, or that i had at least talked to numerous residents from each program, so that i could have made my decision based upon as much information as possible. as it were, i did based largely on my loose perceptions of location, visceral interview day impressions, some discussion with faculty, and all of the paper and website info they threw at us. I don't know whether I would have chosen a different place, but my decision-making process would have been different.

I wouldn't have made a major life decision (or at least 3 year commitment) based on recruitment techniques, but I can understand that when you're working with limited information and making a really tough decision, every little thing counts viscerally.

best of luck to everyone. it's a difficult time.

Hi, I have a question for Koch's postulate:
Are you happy at UCSF? It is what you expected? I absolutely loved it when i interviewed there, but I loved MGH, BW, and Penn too. Any advice on how to make this decision now that you've matched and had some first-hand experience in the program?

thanks so much!!! i really appreciate any advice/clarity you can offer!
 
Don't freak out everyone. UCSF did have a second look type event organized by the Residency Diversity Committee. It was meant to display to applicants from various ethnic/racial/cultural backgrounds what UCSF specifically has to offer them. It is part of a larger recruitment effort in the department of medicine to recruit a more diverse faculty/housestaff/student body. It coincided with similar recruitment events for peds, obgyn, fcm, and psych residents. There were about 10 applicants there for the IM program in attendance. If you didn't go or get an invite, i'm sure it's not a big deal, so chill out!

relax, and good luck to everyone in the match!
 
Don't freak out everyone. UCSF did have a second look type event organized by the Residency Diversity Committee. It was meant to display to applicants from various ethnic/racial/cultural backgrounds what UCSF specifically has to offer them. It is part of a larger recruitment effort in the department of medicine to recruit a more diverse faculty/housestaff/student body. It coincided with similar recruitment events for peds, obgyn, fcm, and psych residents. There were about 10 applicants there for the IM program in attendance. If you didn't go or get an invite, i'm sure it's not a big deal, so chill out!

relax, and good luck to everyone in the match!

I guess I owe everyone an apology. Clearly UCSF did have a second look weekend for a very select group of applicants. I was wrong to suggest that this could be completely innocent, that it was not a meaningful part of generating their rank list, and that we should give them the benefit of the doubt. I was naive to think they're not a big bad evil academic IM program playing games with their applicants.

(feeling vindicated 🙂 )
 
Don't freak out everyone. UCSF did have a second look type event organized by the Residency Diversity Committee. It was meant to display to applicants from various ethnic/racial/cultural backgrounds what UCSF specifically has to offer them. It is part of a larger recruitment effort in the department of medicine to recruit a more diverse faculty/housestaff/student body. It coincided with similar recruitment events for peds, obgyn, fcm, and psych residents. There were about 10 applicants there for the IM program in attendance. If you didn't go or get an invite, i'm sure it's not a big deal, so chill out!

relax, and good luck to everyone in the match!

Unless caucasian males are considered a minority I think we're talking about different events. But thanks for the info!!!
 
Alright Alright people. Lets calm down.

I am a med student at UCSF, applying for residency there and hoping to go. I have polled a few of the other IM applicants from my class, including people who will definitely match there, should they want to, and they didn't hear anything about some "secret second look weekend".

I hate to say this but people say crazy things during the match and not all of it is true. Perhaps the people who told you about these shady practices of UCSF are f-ing with you. I have already heard stories of people boasting PDs are calling them only to find out that they didn't even get interviews at the program.

Lets all take deep breaths together. Inhaaaaaaaaaaale.....
 
Yeah Im pretty sure that its all overblown, or at very worse par for the course. In any case I was just curious about communications because of my own neuroticism, turns out Im not alone in that though.

1 more week til lists are due and 1 more month til we find out where we're going. I doubt we will hear much from anyone anymore, but good luck to everybody!
 
when I was applying and wanted a second look at UCSF, I simply emailed one of the chiefs and they were happy to have me. I didn't receive the special handshake from the PD on interview day or the secret golden key to the hospital that others have been hearing about. I guess I might not be special enough to have merited the mysterious second look treatment (the existence of which seems highly dubious) but in the end I guess it worked out anyway . I would take all of this with a huge grain of salt. The truth is that some programs are into post interview recruitment and some are not but in the end, it DOESN'T MATTER. rank them like you want them. your perception of where a program is going to rank you should play no part in how your rank list turns out. to do anything else is simply putting yourself at a disadvantage.
 
And quit the neuroticism...seriously what's wrong with you neurotic people?
 
UCSF called and said they're ranking me #1.
 
I got calls from each of the PD's at UCSF, Hopkins, MGH, and Brigham. They said that they are calling only their top 50 applicants on their rank list. All of them said the same thing. I hope all of you guys got that phone call too.
 
they all called me too, and i didnt even get interviews at these places. i must be a superstar candidate that doesnt need to be seen. money in the bank
 
I got calls from each of the PD's at UCSF, Hopkins, MGH, and Brigham. They said that they are calling only their top 50 applicants on their rank list. All of them said the same thing. I hope all of you guys got that phone call too.

Oh that's great, me too! I assume they also told you the super-secret password when they called? You don't want to be one of those chumps out there getting the FAKE phone calls...
 
Oh that's great, me too! I assume they also told you the super-secret password when they called? You don't want to be one of those chumps out there getting the FAKE phone calls...

oh shnapp! No! My phone call was not validated by the password. O great, I might as well withdraw my application from the match.
 
oh shnapp! No! My phone call was not validated by the password. O great, I might as well withdraw my application from the match.

Don't freak out. Just email the PDs with your AAMC ID # and the phrase "the sparrow flies at midnight" and all should be well.
 
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