Potential Publication?

[Sach]

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so...I just get this email from a Professor (whom I did research with last year) I contributed to this when I did research and so he just emailed 4-5 students who were part of the project "a copy of manuscript for publication" that he is submitting for publication.

My name is listed within the author (second name). Is this a really good thing or should I not make a big deal of it?

 

[armybound]

It's a great thing. The position of your name on it means your role was minor/unimportant, but a publication is a publication, and not many pre-meds have them.

You should be very excited about it. But if you're going to bring it up in interviews, you better really understand the research and what you were doing/why.

 

[Abulcasis]

Um, of course it's a good thing.

Congrats on your (first?) publication!

 

[Sach]

Yes, it's first. 🙂

 

[Sach]

I just wasn't sure if its a big deal/common thing to have. But I guess I should definitely list it on AMCAS?

 

[armybound]

yes, you should list the research experience and mention that it got published and in which journal it was published

 

[Sach]

yes, you should list the research experience and mention that it got published and in which journal it was published

I guess more than anything it just verifies and shows that the research experience I list on there is legit.

 

[Fakesmile]

Congrats.
When were you involved in the project and what was your contribution?

 

[hants]

1st,2nd, or 3rd author = big thumbs up. Usually RA or undergrad's working on research projects might only get their name mentioned after the final paragraph.
"we would also like to thank bla bla and bla".

 

[JackInTheBox]

It's a great thing. The position of your name on it means your role was minor/unimportant, but a publication is a publication, and not many pre-meds have them.

I wouldn't exactly call a 2nd author's contribution unimportant.

 

[229141]

It's a great thing. The position of your name on it means your role was minor/unimportant, but a publication is a publication, and not many pre-meds have them.

That is not necessarily true at all. Minor, maybe...but unimportant? No..

 

[efitzpat]

I wouldn't exactly call a 2nd author's contribution unimportant.

I second that.

 

[229141]

Almost no one is first author...unless its YOUR project. I COULD be a first author potentially if I ever get my project that far, only because I came up with my project on my own. Otherwise, most people are 2nd authors and still help a HUGE amount. I have friends that work 40 hours a week running gels and taking samples and they are 2nd authors...its semi offensive to me someone would call that unimportant! lol

 

[229141]

I wouldn't exactly call a 2nd author's contribution unimportant.

Prolly a Washington St. Louis kid who said that 😉

 

[Sach]

Congrats.
When were you involved in the project and what was your contribution?

The work was done last year. I did some significant work but the actual publication wasn't written mostly by me. Thats why I was wondering if it would be worth it to list on AMCAS application.

 

[MCP1]

You should include it on your application. It shows that you were able to do significant work in the lab.

2nd author is not unimportant either, especially for an undergrad. At the lab I work at, I am listed as a second author on a paper that I did a large amount of work on, but the writing of the paper was done by the Ph.D (who did less "bench work" but came up with a majority of the experiments etc) I work with [not complaining about this but just wanted to point out that you can still do a lot of work and be listed as second author].

 

[Sach]

You should include it on your application. It shows that you were able to do significant work in the lab.

2nd author is not unimportant either, especially for an undergrad. At the lab I work at, I am listed as a second author on a paper that I did a large amount of work on, but the writing of the paper was done by the Ph.D (who did less "bench work" but came up with a majority of the experiments etc) I work with [not complaining about this but just wanted to point out that you can still do a lot of work and be listed as second author].

Thanks. 👍

I notice that the authors are not listed in any alphabetical order or anything...but I know I did significant work. My name appears second..so am I considered "second" author?

 

[Sach]

Does it also matter which journal?

 

[MCP1]

Thanks. 👍

I notice that the authors are not listed in any alphabetical order or anything...but I know I did significant work. My name appears second..so am I considered "second" author?

From my understanding, the first author is usually the person who wrote a majority of the paper and was responsible for coming up with the ideas for the experiment etc. 2nd and sometimes third author are considered to have done a large amount of "work" but may not have significantly contributed to the ideas of the experiment etc. The rest of the authors are usually considered to just have "helped out". The last author is usually the PI of the lab.

So yes, for this paper you would be considered 2nd author. Congrats!

 

[Sach]

From my understanding, the first author is usually the person who wrote a majority of the paper and was responsible for coming up with the ideas for the experiment etc. 2nd and sometimes third author are considered to have done a large amount of "work" but may not have significantly contributed to the ideas of the experiment etc. The rest of the authors are usually considered to just have "helped out". The last author is usually the PI of the lab.

So yes, for this paper you would be considered 2nd author. Congrats!

Well, atleast, it is a good starting point! Therefore, I am excited.

 

[Sach]

Anyone know if the Journal "accepts" the publication but hasn't published in print (they will in the future). By the time I submit AMCAS, if it still hasn't come out in print but however it is accepted and available online? Can we still list that on AMCAS? and if so, how?

 

[cbrons]

Congrats !!!

 

[Sach]

Congrats !!!

Thanks. cbrons, hope your sober when you say that especially in this thread..lol 😛 j/k

 

[Forthegood]

I've said this before but Congrats! You're going to be a great physician!

 

[Pinkertinkle]

Lesson I've learned in research is don't count on publications until they're in press. Once its accepted you can list it as "in press" which is as good as published.

 

[Sach]

Lesson I've learned in research is don't count on publications until they're in press.

Its in press but not in print yet.

 

[Pinkertinkle]

Its in press but not in print yet.

In press means accepted and will come out in a few weeks- months. Has the article been accepted?

 

[Sach]

In press means accepted and will come out in a few weeks- months. Has the article been accepted?

Yes, accepted.

 

[Pinkertinkle]

Yes, accepted.

Great then its in press and as good as published. What journal is it?

 

[GangGreen]

I have a similar question: is second authorship significant work in a low impact journal?

 

[GangGreen]

Does every MD/PhD applicant have publication?

 

[orrghead16]

Does every MD/PhD applicant have publication?

A lot don't have true publications in press. I would go as far to say that only ~half of accepted applicants have their name on an accepted or published true publication by the end of interviews. The vast majority don't have first author manuscripts in press.

Abstracts, posters, and talks are a different story. Most have a few of those at least.

I have a similar question: is second authorship significant work in a low impact journal?

Yes. Impact factor is ALWAYS a relative measurement. I doubt ADCOMS are going to look up the specific impact factor of any journal and judge accordingly. Many "low" impact journals are very, very highly regarded in the specific field.

Anything you can put on your CV is significant, from talks to low author journals. They can all influence the med application. However, in the end, 90% of what matters is in the first and last author. Whatever is in between is gravy.

 

[JJMrK]

Congratulations. That's a great accomplishment.

 

[GangGreen]

[/quote]
Yes. Impact factor is ALWAYS a relative measurement. I doubt ADCOMS are going to look up the specific impact factor of any journal and judge accordingly. Many "low" impact journals are very, very highly regarded in the specific field.

Anything you can put on your CV is significant, from talks to low author journals. They can all influence the med application. However, in the end, 90% of what matters is in the first and last author. Whatever is in between is gravy.[/QUOTE]

I guess alot of that depends on your contribution and how you frame your experience in AMCAS.