practicing w/ no license under another doctor?

[Healthcare102]

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Can a physician who is not yes licensed still practice under the supervision of another physician?

 

[CCEMTP]

As far as I'm aware, not as a physician. I know of several MD's from Cuba though that are working as nurses/medical assistants under a family physician and they are not RN's. I doubt they can do very much though without some sort of healthcare provider license, and even that may not really be kosher. There have been some issues in Texas with this at Dr. Burzynski's clinic.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-texas-medical-board-vs-stanislaw-burzynski-2014-edition/

Now if you're talking about an intern in residency that doesn't have their license yet but is training to get one, that is different. But generally they still can't work outside of their residency until they get their license.

 

[tiedyeddog]

residency?

 

[chipwhitley]

You could in MO.

 

[Healthcare102]

residency?

No I mean like after residence, if you haven't passed the boards yet

 

[Healthcare102]

You could in MO.

You can practice without a license there?

 

[chipwhitley]

You can practice without a license there?

Apparently you can get a limited license to practice under supervision there.

 

[chipwhitley]

No I mean like after residence, if you haven't passed the boards yet

If you completed residency, you should have a license right? Don't you have to pass Step 3 during residency?

 

[tiedyeddog]

If you completed residency, you should have a license right? Don't you have to pass Step 3 during residency?

If you completed residency and finished the steps you should be able to get a license.

 

[Healthcare102]

If you completed residency and finished the steps you should be able to get a license.

I mean people who have passed medical schools and are now physicians but haven't yet passed their boards to get licensed... Can they practice under supervision?

 

[maxxor]

I mean people who have passed medical schools and are now physicians but haven't yet passed their boards to get licensed... Can they practice under supervision?

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how medical education and credentialing work in this country. Are you a foreign grad/FMG/IMG?

Phases 1-4
1. You graduate from medical school. Step 1, Step 2CK, Step 2CS are all passed and are granted MD degree.
2. Enroll in residency. During first 1-2 years of residency you apply for and receive a limited license to practice in a specific training program under supervision of other MD attendings.
3. Some point during residency, take and pass Step 3, which is required for obtaining unrestricted medical license in a given state.
4. Once you have obtained an unrestricted medical license, you then begin the process of getting on insurance panels / medicare / medicaid. These guys often require board eligibility or board certification in your specialty (FM, IM, pediatrics, all sorts of surgery, radiology, pathology, etc). Board eligibility means you have completed a residency but have not yet taken the certification exam. Board certified means you have taken and passed the exam.

I think your question is referring to people at phase 1. You cannot practice with supervision UNLESS you are in a residency program OR you go to Missouri and apply to become an "Assistant Physician". You must have a medical license, whether it is a limited license or an unrestricted license to practice medicine in this country. Limited licenses are assigned to people in residency. Unrestricted licenses are to people who have completed 1-2 years of training after graduation from medical school (depends on the state).

 

[tiedyeddog]

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how medical education and credentialing work in this country. Are you a foreign grad/FMG/IMG?

Phases 1-4
1. You graduate from medical school. Step 1, Step 2CK, Step 2CS are all passed and are granted MD degree.
2. Enroll in residency. During first 1-2 years of residency you apply for and receive a limited license to practice in a specific training program under supervision of other MD attendings.
3. Some point during residency, take and pass Step 3, which is required for obtaining unrestricted medical license in a given state.
4. Once you have obtained an unrestricted medical license, you then begin the process of getting on insurance panels / medicare / medicaid. These guys often require board eligibility or board certification in your specialty (FM, IM, pediatrics, all sorts of surgery, radiology, pathology, etc). Board eligibility means you have completed a residency but have not yet taken the certification exam. Board certified means you have taken and passed the exam.

I think your question is referring to people at phase 1. You cannot practice with supervision UNLESS you are in a residency program OR you go to Missouri and apply to become an "Assistant Physician". You must have a medical license, whether it is a limited license or an unrestricted license to practice medicine in this country. Limited licenses are assigned to people in residency. Unrestricted licenses are to people who have completed 1-2 years of training after graduation from medical school (depends on the state).

Exactly. In almost all states you must do at least an intern year and pass all three steps in order to get an unrestricted license.

That doesn't mean you'll find a job or get malpractice insurance but you can at least theoretically get a license and start working without supervision.

 

[Instatewaiter]

You can be a pa, np, nurse without passing their training exams

 

[tiedyeddog]

You can be a pa, np, nurse without passing their training exams

That's scary

 

[Psai]

You can be a pa, np, nurse without passing their training exams

And they want doctors to take a test every ten years why? Then that moca disaster?

 

[chipwhitley]

And they want doctors to take a test every ten years why? Then that moca disaster?

Hey man, doctors make their own rules. Can't blame anyone else for that.

 

[Darth Doc]

You can be a pa, np, nurse without passing their training exams

In what state? Physician Assistants have to pass their certification exam (PANCE) and then take another certification exam every 10 years (was 7 until recently) to work in every state I know of.

RNs have to pass the NCLEX. NPs also have a licensing exam but since they are nurses, they only take an initial certification and then have maintenance CME.

What states don't require certification?