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I just have a question. In Anesthesiology could you prepare the night before the cases that you've to do in the morning?

I mean could you run through the scenrio in your head?

Would you know the type of cases that you would be doing for the next day?

Thanks,
Aaron
 
malusport said:
I just have a question. In Anesthesiology could you prepare the night before the cases that you've to do in the morning?

I mean could you run through the scenrio in your head?

Would you know the type of cases that you would be doing for the next day?

Thanks,
Aaron

Sure, you might even go see the patient and discuss the case with your attending.
 
malusport said:
I just have a question. In Anesthesiology could you prepare the night before the cases that you've to do in the morning?

I mean could you run through the scenrio in your head?

Would you know the type of cases that you would be doing for the next day?

Thanks,
Aaron

Very good question. I think, especially during your formative anesthesia years, that it is very helpful to know what cases you are doing in the morning, for educational purposes. Most of the time, the OR schedule is pretty much finalized in the afternoon, today, for tomorrows cases (did that make sense?), and anesthesia assignments are made. If you've left for the day before the schedule comes out for the following morning, most residents call the on-call resident to find out what they are doing.

Especially in the beginning of your training its helpful to run your anesthetic plan by whatever staff MDA is covering your room so the both of you are on the same page. Many programs encourage, or mandate this.

I think what is so confusing when one first starts in anesthesia is that there is usually no RIGHT way to do a case. The clinician has a plethora of techniques (i.e. GA vs regional) and drugs in his/her armamentarium (sic?).
There is a way to conquer the confusion.

Lets say you're in a room with 4 knee scopes scheduled, all on ASA 1 patients. The night before, pick ONE way to do these cases and do it on every one. The only way to get comfortable with anesthesia is repetition, so if you do something over and over again in the same day, at the end of the day you will feel as if you've learned something, and hey, you'll gain some confidence.
Back to the knee scopes. Like I said, theres many many ways to do knee scopes. Lets assume you're gonna do GAs. Now you've got about 3 choices- you can do a mask case, an LMA, or an intubation. Pick one. Lets say you picked, appropriately in my book, the LMA method. Great. Now pick what drugs you're gonna use. Start easy. Midazolam 2mg, fentanyl 100ug while you're rolling to the room. Monitors on, preoxygenate, propofol 2mg/kg. Wait about 45 seconds, mask a couppla times if you want, then put in the LMA. Now pick a volatile agent, say des or sevo. Presto! You're on the road to learning ONE technique. Now do the same thing on the next 3 cases and you'll feel like a star.
Now the next time you do an LMA case you'll have a protocol in your head.

Once you're real comfortable with that, start varying stuff here and there. This is really where you are starting to understand your craft, and the options available to you. Substitute another opiod, like remifentanyl or sufentanil and try that for a while. Or use no opiods at all, and see if that works. Try des instead of sevo, or vice versa, or try iso. Remember during residency is your opportunity to try different things, and those things will become your knowledge bank for private practice.
I remember getting on a nitrous-morphine-curare kick for big posterior spinal fusions. I'd get'em super groggy on midazolam, usually 5-8mg, push between .5-1.0 mg/kg morphine, and .5mg/kg of curare, bag for a cuppla minutes, intubate, crank on 70% nitrous in oxygen, and just a crack of isoflurane for amnesia purposes (isoflurane-remember this was 1996). Worked great because it exploited the histamine release of morphine, keeping the BP around a mean of 60- rarely was supplemental NTG or increased volatile agent needed. Nitrous-narcotic techniques are really cool- a light technique, so you really have to keep'em paralyzed- but if you time it right, its astounding how awake the patients are when you're ready to pull the tube.

My point is I did the same thing for the big back cases until I got bored with it, then I'd try something else.

Even in the real world we make a plan for in the morning. I'm early today so I'm going home now (1:30 pm) Before I left, my partner Rod and I looked at tomorrows schedule- in holding we'll have to line the heart, put in 2 combined-spinal epidurals for hip replacements, and a central line for a gastric bypass. Bottom line, having a plan is a great habit to get into, whether you are a resident or an MDA in a busy practice.

Look at one of UT's posts and read what he has written at the bottom of each post. Very, VERY wise words from a very wise dude. Nuff said. I'm going to the gym. Its leg day and I'm selling tickets. :laugh:
 
jetproppilot said:
Very good question. I think, especially during your formative anesthesia years, that it is very helpful to know what cases you are doing in the morning, for educational purposes. Most of the time, the OR schedule is pretty much finalized in the afternoon, today, for tomorrows cases (did that make sense?), and anesthesia assignments are made. If you've left for the day before the schedule comes out for the following morning, most residents call the on-call resident to find out what they are doing.

Especially in the beginning of your training its helpful to run your anesthetic plan by whatever staff MDA is covering your room so the both of you are on the same page. Many programs encourage, or mandate this.

I think what is so confusing when one first starts in anesthesia is that there is usually no RIGHT way to do a case. The clinician has a plethora of techniques (i.e. GA vs regional) and drugs in his/her armamentarium (sic?).
There is a way to conquer the confusion.

Lets say you're in a room with 4 knee scopes scheduled, all on ASA 1 patients. The night before, pick ONE way to do these cases and do it on every one. The only way to get comfortable with anesthesia is repetition, so if you do something over and over again in the same day, at the end of the day you will feel as if you've learned something, and hey, you'll gain some confidence.
Back to the knee scopes. Like I said, theres many many ways to do knee scopes. Lets assume you're gonna do GAs. Now you've got about 3 choices- you can do a mask case, an LMA, or an intubation. Pick one. Lets say you picked, appropriately in my book, the LMA method. Great. Now pick what drugs you're gonna use. Start easy. Midazolam 2mg, fentanyl 100ug while you're rolling to the room. Monitors on, preoxygenate, propofol 2mg/kg. Wait about 45 seconds, mask a couppla times if you want, then put in the LMA. Now pick a volatile agent, say des or sevo. Presto! You're on the road to learning ONE technique. Now do the same thing on the next 3 cases and you'll feel like a star.
Now the next time you do an LMA case you'll have a protocol in your head.

Once you're real comfortable with that, start varying stuff here and there. This is really where you are starting to understand your craft, and the options available to you. Substitute another opiod, like remifentanyl or sufentanil and try that for a while. Or use no opiods at all, and see if that works. Try des instead of sevo, or vice versa, or try iso. Remember during residency is your opportunity to try different things, and those things will become your knowledge bank for private practice.
I remember getting on a nitrous-morphine-curare kick for big posterior spinal fusions. I'd get'em super groggy on midazolam, usually 5-8mg, push between .5-1.0 mg/kg morphine, and .5mg/kg of curare, bag for a cuppla minutes, intubate, crank on 70% nitrous in oxygen, and just a crack of isoflurane for amnesia purposes (isoflurane-remember this was 1996). Worked great because it exploited the histamine release of morphine, keeping the BP around a mean of 60- rarely was supplemental NTG or increased volatile agent needed. Nitrous-narcotic techniques are really cool- a light technique, so you really have to keep'em paralyzed- but if you time it right, its astounding how awake the patients are when you're ready to pull the tube.

My point is I did the same thing for the big back cases until I got bored with it, then I'd try something else.

Even in the real world we make a plan for in the morning. I'm early today so I'm going home now (1:30 pm) Before I left, my partner Rod and I looked at tomorrows schedule- in holding we'll have to line the heart, put in 2 combined-spinal epidurals for hip replacements, and a central line for a gastric bypass. Bottom line, having a plan is a great habit to get into, whether you are a resident or an MDA in a busy practice.

Look at one of UT's posts and read what he has written at the bottom of each post. Very, VERY wise words from a very wise dude. Nuff said. I'm going to the gym. Its leg day and I'm selling tickets. :laugh:

Pardna, got a question for you: How often do the spine surgeons at your hospital do SSEP's and MEP's? Just curious to see what the PP world is like since I'm going to be doing a ton of those cases. Also, do you line them up (definitely A line, but CVP?)?
 
Before I left, my partner Rod and I looked at tomorrows schedule- in holding we'll have to line the heart, put in 2 combined-spinal epidurals for hip replacements, and a central line for a gastric bypass. Bottom line, having a plan is a great habit to get into, whether you are a resident or an MDA in a busy practice.


Combined spinal-epidurals for hips -- nice!! Our surgeons freak and say they can't do THA under epidural/spinal secondary to leg lengthening issues.

Mick
 
UTSouthwestern said:
Pardna, got a question for you: How often do the spine surgeons at your hospital do SSEP's and MEP's? Just curious to see what the PP world is like since I'm going to be doing a ton of those cases. Also, do you line them up (definitely A line, but CVP?)?

It varies a LOT by institution and group. My current practice does A-lines on sicker spine patients only. And very few CVP's, although I think on spine cases, you'd get a lot more useful info from a CVP than an A-line. In my former practice, we did lots of CVP's.

SSEP monitoring seems to be used on more and more spine cases in just the last 2-3 years. A few years ago, almost no one used it. Now we're probably at about 50-50.

In the end, I think YOU have to decide what's appropriate and what's not. Some of that will be dictated by local custom and the general way your particular group does things (mine is very little invasive monitoring, tons of epidurals, a handful of spinals, and no CSE's). Even when you finish training, there will still be a learning curve when you start in practice.

Hey JPP - high dose curare? There's a blast from the past. Did you like that lovely shade of pink that so many patients got?
 
UTSouthwestern said:
Pardna, got a question for you: How often do the spine surgeons at your hospital do SSEP's and MEP's? Just curious to see what the PP world is like since I'm going to be doing a ton of those cases. Also, do you line them up (definitely A line, but CVP?)?

I moonlight at a Shriner's Hospital with the supposed pediatric spinal guru in the South.

Almost inevitably when I'm there I get the pre-teenage scoliosis repair, sometimes combining both anterior and posterior approaches under the same anesthetic. Their routine is intubate, insert both central line and radial art line, run at mean BP of 55 (both the surgeon and anes dept head are very comfortable with the mean below 60). I use continuous remifentanyl and esmolol drips, mainly because we don't have remi at my main place of employment and I enjoy using it when I can.

SSEP is done by that dept's tech. I apply a BIS for what it's worth.

In my training (early/mid 1990s) I actually did a few with the intentional intraop wakeup routine. Hated that.
 
UTSouthwestern said:
Pardna, got a question for you: How often do the spine surgeons at your hospital do SSEP's and MEP's? Just curious to see what the PP world is like since I'm going to be doing a ton of those cases. Also, do you line them up (definitely A line, but CVP?)?

Hey UT,

I agree with jwk in that it is very regional. During my residency (1992-1996) it seemed as though it was "in", as we did alot of those big AP fusions where a general surgery dude comes in and exposes the anterior part, etc. Every one of those was SSEP monitored, as was the big pedi-scoliosis surgeries we did at the childrens hospital I rotated at for 6 months. The SSEP techs at Tulane were very picky which made our job a pain in the butt- sometimes it is hard to adhere to their guidelines which essentially says you can only use a little volatile agent- I think N20 was OK but to tell you the truth I don't remember.
At my first post-residency gig (1996-2004) we did our fair share of multi-level lumbar discectomies, ACFs, and some instrumentation cases, some of the instrumentation stuff was several levels but nothing like the huge AP cases I did as a resident. None of the neurosurgeons there used evoked potential monitoring. We used alot of Precedex
At my current gig we don't use it either.

I humbly disagree with jwk in that I don't think you have to worry about whether or not the monitoring should be used; thats pretty much the surgeons call.

I know you're a stellar doc, Norm, and you'll do fine. If I were you I'd call one of your new partners and ask him how he does the cases; doing as the Romans do when in Rome is the best policy when you're new kid on the block; you can work in your innovation after a little time goes by. If you're entering a newly formed practice with new surgeons, call the surgeon and ask him if he uses it or not. That'll give you time to formulate your regular vs. SSEP/MEP anesthetic.

We used an a-line if we were working with a "blood loss" surgeon (who was an orthopedist who only did a few backs at our place since he came from out of town) so we could draw HCTs and watch the BP closer. The other 3 neurosurgeons were very talented and fast so we did those cases with an 18" IV only, since giving blood and hemostasis issues didnt arise. Didnt do central lines.

If you're starting with a new surgeon, I'd rather be over-lined than sans lines for the first cases. And if you figure out its overkill, stop doing them. I'd feel very comfortable with an a-line and a cuppla big peripheral IVs with a new surgeon. In other words I'd do the a-line before the central line.

Remember though if you feel you need an a-line during a prone cases you can use the "anatomic snuffbox" approach to the radial artery- pretty cool- try some in your last month as a slave!

Later bro
 
The surgeons I work with are excellent. One orthopod can do will book and do 3 PLIFs in one day along with a couple of lamis in between. Blood loss is generally <100....No a-line or CVP ever.

We don't do any neuro monitoring, but then we don't do much distractions with our cases.

ALIFs are 1 hour cases.

Really makes doing anesthesia easy.
 
UTSouthwestern said:
Pardna, got a question for you: How often do the spine surgeons at your hospital do SSEP's and MEP's? Just curious to see what the PP world is like since I'm going to be doing a ton of those cases. Also, do you line them up (definitely A line, but CVP?)?

Oh, one more comment Dudeski,

I think what you're going to find after a year or so outta residency is that academic institutions "over monitor", and they teach the residents that. You really can do CABGs without SWANS, you can do alot back cases like we were talking about with only a good IV, you can routinely do AAAs without a SWAN (unless of course it is indicated, like high pre-op PAPs, very very low EF, etc).
As you know there is morbidity/mortality with PAC placement so I am very selective in who I place them in. I'll place it if I think it is going to help me. Like Mr CABG who has pre-op PAPs in the twice or three times-normal range, a SWAN will help me coming off pump- I'll watch the pulmonary pressures while translocating volume from the pump while concominantly watching the heart itself, knowing he'll need require higher filling pressures to optimize myocardial function- anyway you get the point. As you know the most important indicator intra-op in a CABG is visualizing the heart and knowing when it looks good vs bad. I'll trust my eyes over a PAC any day of the week. Oh, and I learned that in your back yard at Texas Heart where anesthesia rules the roost when it comes to managing the pump.

Again, do what you feel comfortable with in the beginning, but if you've placed something that you figure out you really didnt need, just eliminate it.
 
jwk said:
It varies a LOT by institution and group. My current practice does A-lines on sicker spine patients only. And very few CVP's, although I think on spine cases, you'd get a lot more useful info from a CVP than an A-line. In my former practice, we did lots of CVP's.

SSEP monitoring seems to be used on more and more spine cases in just the last 2-3 years. A few years ago, almost no one used it. Now we're probably at about 50-50.

In the end, I think YOU have to decide what's appropriate and what's not. Some of that will be dictated by local custom and the general way your particular group does things (mine is very little invasive monitoring, tons of epidurals, a handful of spinals, and no CSE's). Even when you finish training, there will still be a learning curve when you start in practice.

Hey JPP - high dose curare? There's a blast from the past. Did you like that lovely shade of pink that so many patients got?

Yeah, thats a REAL old school technique, jwk. And I do remember seeing the pink from all the DTC/morphine induced histamine! But man, it worked great...I think sometimes we abandon old techniques because of marketing, new-fun stuff to use, pretty drug reps, etc. Like sux drips- I used that some as a resident when I was assigned with an old-timer staff- worked great as well!
 
mick2003 said:
Before I left, my partner Rod and I looked at tomorrows schedule- in holding we'll have to line the heart, put in 2 combined-spinal epidurals for hip replacements, and a central line for a gastric bypass. Bottom line, having a plan is a great habit to get into, whether you are a resident or an MDA in a busy practice.


Combined spinal-epidurals for hips -- nice!! Our surgeons freak and say they can't do THA under epidural/spinal secondary to leg lengthening issues.

Mick

Yeah Mick, I feel your pain- we work with one (out of about 6) ortho dudes that insists all his TKAs THAs etc go to sleep...real control freak....you should see the difference in the PACU when we roll in with one of his knees and another ortho dudes case who had an epidural....whatever. The dude pisses me off and sometimes it takes all the will in my body to stop from settling it gangsta style...oh well, just another unhappy old man surgeon....
 
jetproppilot said:
The SSEP techs at Tulane were very picky which made our job a pain in the butt- sometimes it is hard to adhere to their guidelines which essentially says you can only use a little volatile agent- I think N20 was OK but to tell you the truth I don't remember.
We occasionally have little turf battles with the SSEP folks. We were doing a cervical cord tumor and they wanted no NMB's, 1/2 MAC of agent, no N2O, and limited narcs. Duh. We told the surgeon we could just about guarantee the patient would move at some point, but if that was OK with him..... In the end, we gave NMB's - the surgeon wanted a guarantee of no patient movement. 😉

jetproppilot said:
I humbly disagree with jwk in that I don't think you have to worry about whether or not the monitoring should be used; thats pretty much the surgeons call.
Oops, didn't mean to give that impression. It's definitely the surgeon's call on the SSEP monitoring. The invasive lines are pretty much our call.

A good dialogue all around works wonders. If there's any questions on anyone's part, it's much easier to work it out ahead of time. Reminds me of my first private-practice lap chole in '81 - 5mg of pavulon at the time of the incision, which was about 15 minutes prior to the last staple going in the skin. "...what do you mean you're done? These take 3 hours at Grady..."
 
jwk said:
A good dialogue all around works wonders. If there's any questions on anyone's part, it's much easier to work it out ahead of time. Reminds me of my first private-practice lap chole in '81 - 5mg of pavulon at the time of the incision, which was about 15 minutes prior to the last staple going in the skin. "...what do you mean you're done? These take 3 hours at Grady..."
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

JWK brings up another VERY salient point...stereotypically cases are alot faster after residency, and it is very common for new grads to get stuck with their pants down when the case is over about an hour before they expected, no twitches, pushing the tetanus button on the nerve stimulator 3 times in a row for 3 seconds each time trying to elicit any kinda twitch.. :laugh:

Actually I think thats such an important point we should post that somewhere very visible....

DUDES, GO LIGHTER WITH NMBs WHEN YOU GET OUT!!!!!

There. I feel better.
 
jetproppilot said:
Hey UT,

I agree with jwk in that it is very regional. During my residency (1992-1996) it seemed as though it was "in", as we did alot of those big AP fusions where a general surgery dude comes in and exposes the anterior part, etc. Every one of those was SSEP monitored, as was the big pedi-scoliosis surgeries we did at the childrens hospital I rotated at for 6 months. The SSEP techs at Tulane were very picky which made our job a pain in the butt- sometimes it is hard to adhere to their guidelines which essentially says you can only use a little volatile agent- I think N20 was OK but to tell you the truth I don't remember.
At my first post-residency gig (1996-2004) we did our fair share of multi-level lumbar discectomies, ACFs, and some instrumentation cases, some of the instrumentation stuff was several levels but nothing like the huge AP cases I did as a resident. None of the neurosurgeons there used evoked potential monitoring. We used alot of Precedex
At my current gig we don't use it either.

I humbly disagree with jwk in that I don't think you have to worry about whether or not the monitoring should be used; thats pretty much the surgeons call.

I know you're a stellar doc, Norm, and you'll do fine. If I were you I'd call one of your new partners and ask him how he does the cases; doing as the Romans do when in Rome is the best policy when you're new kid on the block; you can work in your innovation after a little time goes by. If you're entering a newly formed practice with new surgeons, call the surgeon and ask him if he uses it or not. That'll give you time to formulate your regular vs. SSEP/MEP anesthetic.

We used an a-line if we were working with a "blood loss" surgeon (who was an orthopedist who only did a few backs at our place since he came from out of town) so we could draw HCTs and watch the BP closer. The other 3 neurosurgeons were very talented and fast so we did those cases with an 18" IV only, since giving blood and hemostasis issues didnt arise. Didnt do central lines.

If you're starting with a new surgeon, I'd rather be over-lined than sans lines for the first cases. And if you figure out its overkill, stop doing them. I'd feel very comfortable with an a-line and a cuppla big peripheral IVs with a new surgeon. In other words I'd do the a-line before the central line.

Remember though if you feel you need an a-line during a prone cases you can use the "anatomic snuffbox" approach to the radial artery- pretty cool- try some in your last month as a slave!

Later bro

Have already done the anatomic snuffbox approach (i.e. "Interdigital art line", between the proximal heads of the first and second metacarpals). Problem is that it tends to be tiny and you may not be able to thread a 20 gauge catheter into it. We have used 22 and 24 gauge pedi IV's for that site with success. It is also something you have to plan to use up front because if you blow the ipsilateral radial proximal to the snuffbox, you will have variable or minimal flow to that portion of the artery. I have used it on patient's with previous surgically or traumatically altered radial flow at the wrist/forearm and with patients with infections in their arm(s) or wrist(s).

I've already talked with my partners and the group we will be covering is part of our university's neurosurgery department (just making more dough doing PP neurosurgery). That will be convenient. Just curious to see how prevalent monitoring is elsewhere.

I would also advise against letting the monitor techs place limits on your anesthetic. We know that certain agents will decrease the amplitude and/or increase the latency of the SSEP's, but if they obtain their baseline with your anesthetic technique in play, the effect of your anesthetic will be effectively factored out. That's not to say go full MAC with volatiles and block them with Panc or Curare (you don't want to eliminate SSEP's altogether), but if you want to use Des or Sevo and the tech says no, you say yes and tell them to reread their handbook and get with the next generation.
 
jwk said:
Reminds me of my first private-practice lap chole in '81 - 5mg of pavulon at the time of the incision, which was about 15 minutes prior to the last staple going in the skin. "...what do you mean you're done? These take 3 hours at Grady..."

Glad to know the big kuhunahs have also gotten caught with the pants around the ankles too....First rotation out from university setting I found out just why one surgeon had 8 lap/choles scheduled before lunch. Got introduced to Rome Georgia's version of surgery - official Home of the 12-17 Minute GBs for the deep south. Had my name on the chart (and that was about it) and heard the wet floppy sound of a recently pulled sac with CO2 venting. My jaw dropped. To echo jwk...."WTF do you mean, these take 2 hours at minimum at Erlanger....."
 
Anyone else want to answer my orginial question:

I just have a question. In Anesthesiology could you prepare the night before the cases that you've to do in the morning?

I mean could you run through the scenrio in your head?

Would you know the type of cases that you would be doing for the next day?

Thanks,
Aaron

rn29306 said:
Glad to know the big kuhunahs have also gotten caught with the pants around the ankles too....First rotation out from university setting I found out just why one surgeon had 8 lap/choles scheduled before lunch. Got introduced to Rome Georgia's version of surgery - official Home of the 12-17 Minute GBs for the deep south. Had my name on the chart (and that was about it) and heard the wet floppy sound of a recently pulled sac with CO2 venting. My jaw dropped. To echo jwk...."WTF do you mean, these take 2 hours at minimum at Erlanger....."
 
malusport said:
Anyone else want to answer my orginial question:

I just have a question. In Anesthesiology could you prepare the night before the cases that you've to do in the morning?

I mean could you run through the scenrio in your head?

Would you know the type of cases that you would be doing for the next day?

Thanks,
Aaron

If you read some of the posts, the question was answered, but here it is again.

IF you know the day before what kind of cases you'll be doing, YES, you can figure out a plan ahead of time.

In reality, 98% of cases don't need any significant advance planning from an anesthesia perspective (not counting pre-op workups).

It's possible to set up some of your equipment the night before, but you can't draw up drugs ahead of time and let them sit overnight.
 
jwk said:
If you read some of the posts, the question was answered, but here it is again.

IF you know the day before what kind of cases you'll be doing, YES, you can figure out a plan ahead of time.

In reality, 98% of cases don't need any significant advance planning from an anesthesia perspective (not counting pre-op workups).

It's possible to set up some of your equipment the night before, but you can't draw up drugs ahead of time and let them sit overnight.

JWK, I couldnt've said it better myself.
JWKs comments reflect the vast majority of practices. Well done. 👍
 
jetproppilot said:
JWK, I couldnt've said it better myself.
JWKs comments reflect the vast majority of practices. Well done. 👍

Big props to JWK...not. Isn't he/she an AA. He/she is just rehashing what he/she has probably heard an MD say. AA's can't even form their own anesthetic plans, they can offer there thoughts on a case but must do what the MD wants.
AA's in my opinion are called assistants for a reason. BF
 
Simmer down BF!!!

Do you really need to hijack another thread into MDA/CRNA/AA thing? Really?
 
In What percentage of times do you know ahead of time the type of cases you will be getting tomorrow?

jwk said:
If you read some of the posts, the question was answered, but here it is again.

IF you know the day before what kind of cases you'll be doing, YES, you can figure out a plan ahead of time.

In reality, 98% of cases don't need any significant advance planning from an anesthesia perspective (not counting pre-op workups).

It's possible to set up some of your equipment the night before, but you can't draw up drugs ahead of time and let them sit overnight.
 
malusport said:
In What percentage of times do you know ahead of time the type of cases you will be getting tomorrow?

If I bother to check the day before, and if the cases aren't moved to a different room, then in theory I would know all the time. In reality, most of the time I don't know, nor is it necessary in most cases.

Since you keep asking the question - why is this a concern for you? Just curious.
 
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