Primary care med vs General dentisty

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I know that salary talk is a big topic and we have beat it to death but with regards to medicine (primary care) and dentists salaries (general dentists) I have gotten the message that dentists earn more then MDs is this true. The salary data I see (not sure how accurate) seems to still indicate that MDs make more. Granted once you factor in lifestyle and yrs of training dentists have it better. But I think MDs get hired at about 110-130K out of residency where as dentists about 70-110K (the nice thing is we start 3 yrs sooner b/c of their residency) And I think it is more important to have your own practice as a dentist for bigger earnings....granted if you own your own medical practice that would be better as well but I think it is more of a factor in dentistry.....that was a lot of words but the big question is what is the earning comparison for Primary Care MDs and General DDS? Thanks

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Well, actually physicians start out at about ~$30,000/yr. (residency) 😉

It's really hard to pin down any solid numbers for comparison because there is so much variability in dentist's earnings. In any case, I think the difference is small enough that I wouldn't let it effect my decision on way or the other.
 
I agree that the difference is minor.....choose what you enjoy
 
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Primary care is over, become a nurse practitioner or a PA if you want to go that route. Otherwise, IMO it's not worth the hassle.
 
Salary surveys in general never seem to be accurate but for dentists this is especially true. I think general dentists earn far more than family practice phyisicians and other "general practioners." You have to understand that dentists are solo practioners in general. Thus they own their own business. And many dentists underreport their net income to avoid paying high taxes. Also, they file their practice as a corporation so their annual salary isn't the net profits earned by their corporation. Their salary is what they pay themselves. For example, Bob, a general dentist, grossed 60,000 in revenue one month. 35,000 of that 60,000 are expenses. That leaves 25,000 left over. Of that 25,000, Bob will pay himself a salary of 5,000. The 20,000 that is remaining is profit earned by the corporation or Bob. (Of course, Bob pays taxes on that 20,000 in addition to his 5,000 in salary.) However, Bob also includes many items in those expenses that he utilizes for his personal use such as vacations, car leases, electronic equipment for his "practice" etc. It may not be ethical but it is a legal loophole that many professionals (docs, dentists, lawyers etc. use). For example, if a dentist attends a conference in Hawaii, that is a business trip that he or she can write off while in reality it's a vacation. But going back to the original question, the salary Bob pays himself is $5,000 per month which is about 80,000 per year. It doesn't seem like much but as you can see Bob is "earning" a lot more than 80,000 per year. And 60,000 gross is average for many dentists in solo practice. Many gross close 100,000 so you can imagine that there are dentists who are doing quite well.

One more thing to consider is that dentists rarely spend their entire careers as associates. Associateship in dentistry is comparable to that of a residency for physicians. Once dentists become familiar with running a practice as an associate, they start their own practice. A dental associate earns anywhere from 75,000 to 120,000. A resident physician earns between 30,000 and 40,000 per year. The difference is the 30k - 40k that resident physicians earn is not considered a salary but a stipend. Resident physicians are still considered trainees as residents so that 30K income isn't reported as a salary. If these salary surveys included the income that physicians earn as residents, the average physician salary would be much lower in those surveys. However, dental associates are not considered trainees. Their 75K they earn is considered a salary and not a stipend. Thus associate pay is included in these salary surveys which lowers the salary of general dentists in many of these surveys.

Physicians get hit hard because of a couple of factors.
1.) we pay higher in malpractice insurance
2.) our rate of reimbursement is very low. Most patients lack dental insurance so they usually pay cash for their treatments either by credit card or some payment plan. Most medical patients have some type of medical insurance or DHS that compensates very little what the physician originally charges. And dental insurance generally offers far higher rates of reimbursment than medical insurance so even the insured dental patient will yield more payment than a medical patient. A physician may bill the same as a dentist but he or she won't collect or get reimbursed nearly at the same level as a dentist. Also, the physician will pay more in malpractice insurance...a lot more. I heard that dentists pay anywhere from 1,000 to 5000 for malpractice. Physicians pay anywhere from 8,000 to 200,000 in malpractice.

I'm sorry for offerring such a long and detailed response. I know this question gets asked on several occassions and it's usually responded to in a very flippant or p.c. manner. But these should be the answers to your questions. Yes, in general, dentists who own their practice will earn more money than primary care physicians and other physicians who rely upon procedures that are not reimbursed well by insurance. I think dentistry offers a better financial future outlook than medicine, but everyone has to do what he or she enjoys. Like Gavin said, you are still going to earn more than 90% of the population so you should choose what you enjoy.
 
They are VERY different professions.

Primary is very hands off no real procedures in office

General Dentistry is very hands on tons of procedures in office.


Money does not matter to me. They are all a good living -- at this point content is much, much more important. Would you really do a job you hated for 30 years just because you got 10K more per year?! I know I would not 🙂.
 
rahulazcom said:
Salary surveys in general....<snip!>
...to earn more than 90% of the population so you should choose what you enjoy.

One of the finest posts I've read in awhile. Thanks for your input, rahulazcom.

BTW, can anyone with more financial knowledge compare how corporate profits are taxed, versus the unincorporated small business? Are the profits of the latter just considered "salary" for the owner (the dentist)?
 
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