Private Practice Job Search: what is the process?

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It seemed so clear to me what you had to do to get into derm, almost like there was a formula and deadlines. What about getting a job in private practice? How does that work?

When do people start looking? When and how do ppl find time to interview? How intense are the interviews? When do job offers go out? How do ppl go about finding job opportunities? What can one do during residency to develop the resume?

If anybody with any experience could share their knowledge it would be greatly appreciated!
 
It seemed so clear to me what you had to do to get into derm, almost like there was a formula and deadlines. What about getting a job in private practice? How does that work?

When do people start looking? When and how do ppl find time to interview? How intense are the interviews? When do job offers go out? How do ppl go about finding job opportunities? What can one do during residency to develop the resume?

If anybody with any experience could share their knowledge it would be greatly appreciated!

While it's not quite as rosy as it was a couple of years ago, the job market is still pretty good. Try to remember that you are every bit as much -- if not more -- interviewing them than vice versa. I would start with the geographic region you want to live and go from there. As far as when to start looking -- start doing your legwork during 2nd year derm and have the potential players lined up for your 3rd year. For a variety of reasons I would want the interview process over before Christmas and make a decision sometime before Feb / March. This allows the new practice to get you credentialed and on board with the plans in the area, plan out logistics and workspace, and hire any additional staff. It also allows you to focus on boards later in the year.

If you plan on starting your own let me know -- it's a longer but similar process.
 
While it's not quite as rosy as it was a couple of years ago, the job market is still pretty good. Try to remember that you are every bit as much -- if not more -- interviewing them than vice versa. I would start with the geographic region you want to live and go from there. As far as when to start looking -- start doing your legwork during 2nd year derm and have the potential players lined up for your 3rd year. For a variety of reasons I would want the interview process over before Christmas and make a decision sometime before Feb / March. This allows the new practice to get you credentialed and on board with the plans in the area, plan out logistics and workspace, and hire any additional staff. It also allows you to focus on boards later in the year.

If you plan on starting your own let me know -- it's a longer but similar process.

Could you comment in more detail about the job market not being as rosy? I'm aware that jobs for mohs and dermpath are tight in large coastal cities. How about for general derm? Are there fewer offers now, or lower salaries, or less attractive jobs available for private practice?

Anything in your experience that practices really value in a general dermatologist (not talking about easy to get along with, which is obviously a given for any colleague).

Thanks!
 
General derm is still not all that difficult to find a job in, but finding the job you want, in the location you want, will likely prove increasingly difficult as the years go by. All one has to do is look at the number of searches conducted by the larger recruitment firms to see the trend. You can also look at the number of jobs posted in throw aways over the years and subtract the number of practices for sale (predominantly older guys who could either not attract or not retain a successor) and get a similar idea. While I have not followed the dermpath job market all that closely, I can assure you that, for Mohs at least, the job search difficulty is not limited to the coastal cities. My instinct is that that a similar patten holds true for dermpath... that those who are derm trained and willing to provide general derm services are much more employable than those who do not meet these criteria.

There are a number of reasons behind this. Not to derail the topic entirely, but we have had a massive increase in the number of trainees over the past decade (percentage wise), and we should all be aware of how small changes in a steady state equilibrium can have disproportionate consequences. This problem is compounded by a number of things ranging from the natural maturation of most dermatology practices (going from doing a little bit of everything --> more surgical, procedural, etc -- NOT because of $$, but because people get tired of the charting, administrative hassles, staff requirements (overhead), and sheer energy expenditure required to churn through the volumes required by general derm), the expansion of cheaper labor (mid-levels) who doubly contribute to the mix without having to split the pie into smaller pieces, to the uncertainty of future reimbursement / financial outlook (which leads to a form of protectionism and apprehension on the hiring of new mouths to feed).

As far as what practices value in a general derm -- that will vary from practice to practice and what perceived need they wish to fill. If there is a MMS or dermpath guy in the mix, a sufficient demand/wait time/volume requirement, etc -- the unspoken reason for the position is to drive volume. Sometimes the elder doc wants to dump those things they no longer wish to do on the younger doc. Occasionally they will want someone to fill a specific need (medical derm, peds, etc). Sometimes they just want some help.
 
MOHS_01 - very interesting points.

One thing that counters the expansion in trainees is the increase in women in the profession - who then go on to work part-time (or in some cases, not at all).

Also, if the rise in trainees is due to DOs, then at least some of the patient base (granted, the more discerning and perhaps more annoying folks) will only go to the MDs.

P.S. Speaking of doctor vs. patient numbers, isn't it fascinating how the dental profession has created the twice yearly cleaning and quick DDS exam as a standard of care. Imagine how much more volume there would be for all the derms if there was a similar standard of care for yearly skin exams for everyone? And if this only applied to patients <65, the whole CMS utilization thing wouldn't even enter the mix.

Just a thought...
 
haha nice vids.

about the dental exams, it's a little different because the dentists actually perform a cleaning service. customers get something each time they go. an annual skin exam doesn't give any clear and immediate value to the customer.
 
haha nice vids.

about the dental exams, it's a little different because the dentists actually perform a cleaning service. customers get something each time they go. an annual skin exam doesn't give any clear and immediate value to the customer.

that's why you add the happy ending.

when i'm done with this dumb residency thing, i'm gonna open up "sore eye asses emporium of skin checks with happy endings," and i will make the PAs do the skin checks and then call me to finish the patient off, like in mortal kombat, but with more finesse, a firmer grip, and marginally less blood.
 
haha nice vids.

about the dental exams, it's a little different because the dentists actually perform a cleaning service. customers get something each time they go. an annual skin exam doesn't give any clear and immediate value to the customer.


wow you make a great point i never thought of. while doctors think they do a lot of work, the patient doesnt preceive it unless some physical action takes place, no matter how dumb i.e rub the teeth, tell them dont eat for 30 minutes.
dentists, unlike doctors, are better about creating value and the perception of value(look at how many dental schools closed in the past decade and how we have 30% more resident spots for derm in the past decade).

anyway, c5 we should open a practice togather. we can create the true value dermatology. i .e every skin check comes with some tx. i.e a biopsy if needed, and if not basic skin care prescriptions like retin a if they have sun damage or something of the sort.

you see what im getting at.
 
im still not sure about the role of PAs and value to a practice. i do note that dentists have never thought of putting in a replacement for themselves to practice on their own...or do dentists have such a thing and im not aware of. one dentist friend of mine explained it as a debate on value creation/preservation vs value destruction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57yjSmX4Wlw

any thoughts.
 
im still not sure about the role of PAs and value to a practice. i do note that dentists have never thought of putting in a replacement for themselves to practice on their own...or do dentists have such a thing and im not aware of. one dentist friend of mine explained it as a debate on value creation/preservation vs value destruction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57yjSmX4Wlw

any thoughts.

Thats pretty much how it is...

While I feel that well-trained nurses and allied health personnel are very important, I think that we need to get away from the idea that "because what I do is important to the physician's role in treatment means that I am an equal to the physician."

Seeing EKG's who walk around in full-length white coats, respiratory therapists to dress down resident physicians because they only put orders in the computer instead of verbally ask them for an ABG, and CT tech's who loudly proclaim they can read stroke team CT's as good as the on-call Rads or Nighthawk guys always make laugh bitterly.
 
To steer us back to my original question... When you say start doing the "legwork" during 2nd year, what does that mean? If I want to move geographic regions from residency, how does one go about finding opportunities?
 
To steer us back to my original question... When you say start doing the "legwork" during 2nd year, what does that mean? If I want to move geographic regions from residency, how does one go about finding opportunities?

1. Pick an area on the map.
2. Look at the various headhunter sites and see if anything is listed there.
3. Look at AAD.org and get a list of the providers in the area.
4. Send a letter to whichever practice you believe you may be interested in.
5. Follow up the letter with a phone call a couple of weeks later.
6. If fixated on that geographic location, call the offices and determine the wait time for a new patient with a suspected skin cancer on the nose...as well as a rash.
7. If you get a satisfactory answer to #6 but unsatisfactory answers to #2-5, look at setting up your own office.
 
What would be considered a wait time that would be well positioned for setting up a practice?
 
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