Private Pre-med counselor - worth it?

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Did any of you pay for private med school counselors? Like Judy Colwell (http://www.judycolwell.com) or Dr. Lewis (http://www.lewisassoc.com)? Dr. Lewis' advisees have an acceptance rate of 92% by the way. I'll be starting college this Fall at URochester and I'll be pre-med... I'm not yet acquainted with the pre-med advising of the university (if it's good or anything) What do you guys think of paying for a PRIVATE counselor? How is Rochester seen by top medical schools? Inputs will be greatly appreciated. 😎

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Ok the applicant god jot goes to URochester and he's gotten in... Well just about everywhere. The key is to keep your grades as high as you can (3.8 for top schools), score well on the MCAT, get involved in some ECs (research would be good).

Don't worry about professional advising. The only people who should even consider it are those who have been rejected once or who are borderline applicants. For now (and probably forever), your URochester pre-med advisor and SDN will be just fine.
 
While I'm not entirely familiar with the Undergrad at URochester, I do know that its a school of fairly high caliber. The pre-med advising should be fine. Many schools will not accept letters from for-profit counselors. Also, I'm not certain, but I think some of the counselors will screen clients before accepting them, letting them keep their acceptance rates high. Just do the following during college: study hard and have fun!
 
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Did any of you pay for private med school counselors? Like Judy Colwell (http://www.judycolwell.com) or Dr. Lewis (http://www.lewisassoc.com)? Dr. Lewis' advisees have an acceptance rate of 92% by the way. I'll be starting college this Fall at URochester and I'll be pre-med... I'm not yet acquainted with the pre-med advising of the university (if it's good or anything) What do you guys think of paying for a PRIVATE counselor? How is Rochester seen by top medical schools? Inputs will be greatly appreciated.


hey nygirl12 -
as mentioned - i goto urochester, and will be going to med school this fall. in general - if you have a 3.4 and above a 28 mcat from our school, you'll be going to medical school somewhere.

there is no need at all to take those private med school counselers - basically they pray on insecure people that will get in anyway, wasting your money. just do well in what you take here, thats the bottom line. if you are unsure about your calculus skills, don't be afraid to take 141/142 rather than 161/162 - and feel free to take chem 131/132 instead of 151/152 - it won't make a difference at all.

if you're aiming for top medical schools - try to keep your gpa as high as you can; it is actually reasonably difficult to keep a 3.8 or higher in a science major, but quite doable. the real proof will come in your mcat score - and you'll be able to see that in the pre-med binders @ school.

as far as i can see, goign to urochester is a moot point to top medical schools. its a mid-tier private school, so it doesn't work against nor for you. definately all about you as the applicant from here. the school has a lot of resources, and its up to you to take what you want from here

if you have anymore specific questions, feel free to pm me.
 
i got into med school. i'll counsel you. $14/hour. includes relationship advice.
 
I actually met Dr. Lewis once. I think she is based at San Diego so she came and gave a talk to our premed group. Anyways, she seemed like a very knowledgable lady and im sure 92% of her clients get in. However, I think she said that she doesnt take all applicants. She has to look at your stats and resume before deciding to choose someone. Also, I hear she is really expensive (around 1000 bucks!). I myself would put that 1000 bucks and apply to a bunch more schools if you are really unsure of your chances.

Jetson
 
ADCOMS are NOT going to place much weight on a letter of rec from someone who you had to pay to get it from. I actually had a conversation with that person based in San Diego. She was VERY interested in "helping" me get into med school. That is..until she found out I wasn't in the financial situation to hire her! hahaha.
 
Man! I thought SDN was a pre-med counselor!
 
Medical schools usually pay no attention to letters from private counselors. Your letters will have to come from your college faculty. Dr. Lewis knows that. However, Dr. Lewis was a well known, successful and respected advisor at one of the California universities. That MAY carry some weight. And of course she earns her living from making use of her expertise, the same way a physician earns her living by making use of her expertise. How many people do any of you know who use their skills without expecting recompense? As a physician, will any of you set up shop and not charge a pretty dollar for the use of YOUR professional skills?

Whether you have to or should use a professional advisor, I cannot tell you. If you have an advisor, use that advisor. If you are at a college without an advisor, you may want to consider paying for a private one. Without knowing any details about your situation, I cannot say what you should do.

There is another alternative, although it does not serve as a complete substitute for an advisor at your college. Some, but not all, medical schools are willing to give some counseling advice on a one-time basis. Call Admissions at one or two medical schools in your area and request what is commonly called a "counseling" interview. That usually consists of basic advice on course work and a few other things a premedical student must know and do.
But then, the responsibility of knowing what to do and how to do it is yours.

Permit me a question. Imagine yourself now a physician in practice. You discover that several of your patients are seeking medical advice from friends, neighbors, a pharmacist, a self-help medical book, a website (analogous to this) where non-physicians, of whom nothing is known about their skills, offer medical advice based on their personal experience. "My son had something like what your're describing. This is what I did, and see, he go well. Try it!" What would be your reaction, Doctor?
Live dangerously? See a physician?

Premedical advisors are "doctors". Of preprofessional advising, that is. And while they do not attend Premedical Advising Schools they learn their trade on the job and through networking with other advisors, professional schools, professional meetings, feedback, experience, a professional list-serve. But like all professionals--physicians, lawyers, electricians, stock brokers, musicians, etc.-- some are more skilled than others; some are more personable than others; some are better listeners than others; some are wedded to their profession, others are not; some watch the clock, others don't; some care, others not.
And some work under better conditions than others so they can be of more help to students.

Look both ways before you cross the street.

Finally, one of my favorite aphorisms, from an old Walt Kelly comic strip 'possum living in the Everglades--Pogo by name.

"We has met the enemy and he is us."
 
I just took a look at the web-site of Judy Colwell. She has the credentials, on both sides of the desk. A former premedical advisor at Stanford and Admissions Director at the medical school.

I cannot comment about the costs involved for her, or for any other private service. We have to decide what we are willing to pay for something we want or need. Do you really need her services? How much money have you already invested in your college education? Can you afford another investment and is it worth it to you protect your ability to get into medical school? Are there other alternatives? When we were born nobody told us life would be easy. Think of all the important decisions you will have to make as a physician. Do you want, or are you capable of taking on that responsibility? Do you want that new car or do you want to spend the money on something else? Decisions, decisions, priorities, priorities!

Maybe we all would be better off being an Amoeba! Major fear: being crushed under the coverslip of a high school or college biology student's slide or drying out. And I don't think any of us cares for an Amoeba's sex life. At least Paramecium conjugates.
 
This is a funny thread!!!!!😛
Who in their right mind would PAY(let me repeat, pay???) for freaken advice or stupid "wise words or rather should i say tricks". GIVE ME A BREAK!!!
There is no such things as loop holes in medical school admissions. Everybody is on the same boat and have to deal with the same adcoms crap unless you are the son/daughter of the dean in which you may get a leeway.

Ok, i seem very harsh.....If your father is donald trumple, i guess paying the advisor any amount of money is insignificant.
 
Originally posted by gower
Medical schools usually pay no attention to letters from private counselors. Your letters will have to come from your college faculty. Dr. Lewis knows that. However, Dr. Lewis was a well known, successful and respected advisor at one of the California universities. That MAY carry some weight. And of course she earns her living from making use of her expertise, the same way a physician earns her living by making use of her expertise. How many people do any of you know who use their skills without expecting recompense? As a physician, will any of you set up shop and not charge a pretty dollar for the use of YOUR professional skills?

In my opinion pre med advisors make a living off "helping" students who would already get accepted without their help. Let's face it, private counselors must have a good track record in order to stay in business. They're not going to accept a client that doesn't stand a good chance of getting accepted because it would hurt their statistics.

If I were to read a letter from a private counselor I would have a hard time forgetting that they have been paid to get you accepted into medical school. OF COURSE they're going to write you a good letter! But there is NO WAY for me or any other person who is reading that letter to know if the person really deserves those things which are being said about them.

"Medical schools usually pay no attention to letters from private counselors." That's the bottom line. Is Dr. Lewis qualified? Yes she definately is! However your letter of rec. will hold ALOT more weight if you just do what I did. Find people who are equally qualified to write your letter of rec. The fact that they are not being monetarily compensated will remove their biases and ulterior motives.
 
Dr. Lewis was also FIRED from the university she advised at and as far as I know she no longer has an advising certificate. I would save the money and do my best in school, GPA and MCAT especially. The adviser at your school should be sufficient.
 
Professional (in terms of on the job experience in colleges and universities) independent advisors do not ordinarily write letters of recommendation. They know that will not help nor will professional schools pay formal attention to them; note the operational word "formal".

Yes, they get paid for the service by the client. The ones I know would never take on a client who has no chance whatever, at that time or in the future, of being accepted, although that is necessarily a professional estimate based on experience. Nothing different from an ethical physician or lawyer taking on cases, sometimes "hopeless," when they believe they can effect a positive outcome.

There is no such animal as an "Advising Certificate." College and university preprofessional advisors come from a variety of backgrounds and their status and rank also vary. Mostly learning on the job, they operate under a variety of conditions often constraining what services they may be able to provide. Like all professionals, skill, knowledge, work ethic, etc. will vary individiually.

If and when you become a physician will you expect that potential patients should expect high level performance, ethical behavior, concern for patients, non-motivation by money from you or any other physician because you have such a high and selfless calling? If so, get real. In every profession, occupation, whatever, there are the incompetents, the money grubbers, the selfish, the ones who cut corners, the thieves.....

Be charitable. Do not charge people with poor behavior when you have no evidence other than your belief. It is the equivalent of offering a medical diagnosis when you don't even make an examination of a patient, or publishing a scientific paper when you made up the science as you wrote. What are we now to think of you? I am charitable.
 
As I was going through Judith J. Colwell's credentials I noticed that she was premed in undergrad. Isn't it comforting to know that these people who couldn?t get into medical school themselves are giving students advice on getting into med school.

Don't waste your money.
 
I also would not waste my money on such a service. Granted, my undergrad pre-med advising was generally mediocre. But I still think SDN is the best - you just have to think over everything critically.
 
Be charitable. Do not charge people with poor behavior when you have no evidence other than your belief. It is the equivalent of offering a medical diagnosis when you don't even make an examination of a patient, or publishing a scientific paper when you made up the science as you wrote. What are we now to think of you? I am charitable. [/B]


My main comment is that she was fired from the university she worked at. I have not stated more than just a fact, which is worth considering. That is great that you are charitable, but touting a program that charges people for something they can do on their own is ridiculous. There is nothing inaccurate about stating she was fired. Its true, and I have no problem with people who try to run a business that's their issue, however my main point is that you must believe in yourself to get into medical school. NO ONE can get you into medical school. 🙂D unless you have rich parents)
 
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