professors vs premeds

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WeAreNotRobots said:
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LoL. No I don't think so but then again being a pre-med at my school isn't as big as being pre-vet or an engineering major.
However I think being pre-med makes a lot harder to get a research position on campus a bit harder. I get the feeling that many of proffesors doing research think pre-meds just do it for their applications which for some, to be quite honest, isn't that far from the truth.
 
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Identifying yourself as a pre-med is a quick way to make all your professors hate you.

totally srs :meanie:
 
MSU2009 said:
Identifying yourself as a pre-med is a quick way to make all your professors hate you.

totally srs :meanie:
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Its actually true. One of my intro bio professors hated pre-meds (99% of the class was pre-med too) so that if you came in to her with a question on a test or asking to curve you, she flat out wouldn't. She denied an A to my pre-med friend who was 2 points off, but she bumped another who was 5 points off because he lied and said he was applying for grad programs in bio and taking the GRE
 
phnerd1105 said:
Its actually true. One of my intro bio professors hated pre-meds (99% of the class was pre-med too) so that if you came in to her with a question on a test or asking to curve you, she flat out wouldn't. She denied an A to my pre-med friend who was 2 points off, but she bumped another who was 5 points off because he lied and said he was applying for grad programs in bio and taking the GRE
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While frustrating, I can completely understand why she would give preferential treatment to the student saying they wanted a career in bio. I suppose it's just another way for students to attempt to scam the system, thought I doubt they'll get far doing that.

I've personally found that this attitude among professors is especially prevalent in the non-science classes (n=1 and all that, so it could just be me).
 
Not really, well at least at my school.
 
At my school it was very hard to get research if you admitted to being a pre-med, I got my research by pulling the grad school card. I think a lot of the professors did have a disdain for us, they often ask on the first day of class for a show of hands who is premed as they give this disgruntled face and sigh at the display.
 
Why all the hate for premeds...? Honestly, compared to everyone else, the premeds I know are the most hardworking. (only my experience)

I agree though, my bio teacher hated premeds and hated people going to medical school in general.
 
They will get harder on you but prove to them that you can overcome their harshness.
 
impulse462 said:
Why all the hate for premeds...? Honestly, compared to everyone else, the premeds I know are the most hardworking. (only my experience)

I agree though, my bio teacher hated premeds and hated people going to medical school in general.
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I'm guessing a combination of self-hatred from said biology professor who couldn't get into med school and an overwhelming amount of pre-meds with gunner attitudes who clearly don't give a damn about the subject but just want the A (and most of the time get it too). But that's just a shot in the dark tbh.
 
2sk0ol4c0ol said:
I'm guessing a combination of self-hatred from said biology professor who couldn't get into med school and an overwhelming amount of pre-meds with gunner attitudes who clearly don't give a damn about the subject but just want the A (and most of the time get it too). But that's just a shot in the dark tbh.
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This most likely
 
2sk0ol4c0ol said:
I'm guessing a combination of self-hatred from said biology professor who couldn't get into med school and an overwhelming amount of pre-meds with gunner attitudes who clearly don't give a damn about the subject but just want the A (and most of the time get it too). But that's just a shot in the dark tbh.
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Also entitlement amongst pre-health students is ridiculous. I TA'd a class this semester that our pre-health office does that basically discusses being a physician and how to get into medical school. I was in charge of grading, and let me tell you: the brown nosing/requests for grade bumps/requests for extra credit you might see in class doesn't compare to what professors/TAs get on private. It got beyond irritating and it turned me into a troll.

So cut your prof some slack and try not to be an ass.
 
2sk0ol4c0ol said:
I'm guessing a combination of self-hatred from said biology professor who couldn't get into med school and an overwhelming amount of pre-meds with gunner attitudes who clearly don't give a damn about the subject but just want the A (and most of the time get it too). But that's just a shot in the dark tbh.
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Also entitlement amongst pre-health students is ridiculous. I TA'd a class this semester that our pre-health office does that basically discusses being a physician and how to get into medical school. I was in charge of grading, and let me tell you: the brown nosing/requests for grade bumps/requests for extra credit you might see in class doesn't compare to what professors/TAs get in private. It got beyond irritating and it turned me into a troll.

So cut your prof some slack and try not to be an ass.
 
NickNaylor said:
Also entitlement amongst pre-health students is ridiculous. I TA'd a class this semester that our pre-health office does that basically discusses being a physician and how to get into medical school. I was in charge of grading, and let me tell you: the brown nosing/requests for grade bumps/requests for extra credit you might see in class doesn't compare to what professors/TAs get on private. It got beyond irritating and it turned me into a troll.

So cut your prof some slack and try not to be an ass.
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Hey I don't have an issue with any of my proffs. I don't beg for grades I don't deserve. Besides most of my teachers are liberal arts profs, I'm an English major. So I don't really encounter to many profs bitter about pre-meds.
BUT I do agree with your post.
 
NickNaylor said:
Also entitlement amongst pre-health students is ridiculous. I TA'd a class this semester that our pre-health office does that basically discusses being a physician and how to get into medical school. I was in charge of grading, and let me tell you: the brown nosing/requests for grade bumps/requests for extra credit you might see in class doesn't compare to what professors/TAs get on private. It got beyond irritating and it turned me into a troll.

So cut your prof some slack and try not to be an ass.
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This is actually very true. I TA'd an intro bio course myself and it's just ridiculous. Basically think of all the SDN posters that ask "OMGZ I gotz a B/only .2% from an A. How willz this affectz my chances at Havaaaaad?" If you think reading that **** pisses you off here, imagine having a face to go with it and dealing with it on a daily basis.
 
getdown said:
This is actually very true. I TA'd an intro bio course myself and it's just ridiculous. Basically think of all the SDN posters that ask "OMGZ I gotz a B/only .2% from an A. How willz this affectz my chances at Havaaaaad?" If you think reading that **** pisses you off here, imagine having a face to go with it and dealing with it on a daily basis.
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I agree to an extent, but when you have people saying "med school admissions is a crap shoot" provided you have a competitive GPA/MCAT, what do you expect students to ask/think?

Sure if they ask the same question multiple times it will obviously get irritating, but this whole process isn't exactly straightforward either, and when you have 3.8s getting rejected from "Havaaaad", they will obviously think that one bad grade might affect their chances (for the top 10 ). They're just trying to get information. Personally, I'd ask one question about something and be done with it, but that's just me.
 
Didn't usually matter. One of them was a real tool about it once. He gave me no credit on an exam question because he misunderstood my diagram, and then told me I'd have to know it for the MCAT. I told him I'd already taken it, and then he asked if I was going to re-take it. 🙄 No, Ace, I did just fine on it and was already accepted to med school.
 
TheProwler said:
Didn't usually matter. One of them was a real tool about it once. He gave me no credit on an exam question because he misunderstood my diagram, and then told me I'd have to know it for the MCAT. I told him I'd already taken it, and then he asked if I was going to re-take it. 🙄 No, Ace, I did just fine on it and was already accepted to med school.
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As both a Chem TA and an assistant to a couple chem professors, I can honestly say YES THEY DO. (3 diff. schools accounted for)
 
phnerd1105 said:
Its actually true. One of my intro bio professors hated pre-meds (99% of the class was pre-med too) so that if you came in to her with a question on a test or asking to curve you, she flat out wouldn't. She denied an A to my pre-med friend who was 2 points off, but she bumped another who was 5 points off because he lied and said he was applying for grad programs in bio and taking the GRE
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that sucks, my stats prof was basically kind and grading the whole class fair, but the moment she asked what we were majoring in, i said premed and my grade took a nose dive.

NickNaylor said:
Also entitlement amongst pre-health students is ridiculous. I TA'd a class this semester that our pre-health office does that basically discusses being a physician and how to get into medical school. I was in charge of grading, and let me tell you: the brown nosing/requests for grade bumps/requests for extra credit you might see in class doesn't compare to what professors/TAs get on private. It got beyond irritating and it turned me into a troll.
So cut your prof some slack and try not to be an ass.
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it must be really hard😱
 
I don't necessarily feel that way about pre-meds in my classes, but some of the attributes that tend to be found more often in pre-meds than pre-research kids do rub me the wrong way. When someone e-mails me after every assignment arguing about the 1% off that I gave him/her on one assignment or test and comes to argue during office hours, I tend to lose my patience and not want to hear the person out. I also don't like kids freaking out and asking twelve questions after every lecture because there *might* have been something that they missed in lecture or lab...
 
No, but when students try and haggle for more points I try to put things in perspective so that they can at least appreciate where I'm coming from.

Example: a pre-pharmacy student tried to beg for MORE points because she wrote the right equations on paper, but due to a calculator error wrote the wrong answer down (I gave the student partial credit).

My response? "What are you going to do when you miscalculate a patient's drug prescription or IV? Beg for more partial credit?"

While you might never synthesize another carbon molecule again, being meticulous is an important skill to have no matter what your future profession.. some more than others.

Being thorough and consistent when grading (actually writing out comments) has eliminated most of the grade haggling. Having your students fear you because you lift heavy (at the time) also helps.
 
NickNaylor said:
Also entitlement amongst pre-health students is ridiculous.
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This x1000. The students at my school who are serious about pre-med have the worst attitudes, and they all think they're better than everyone else. I can't stand that crap.

I don't really understand the need to tell everyone your plans. I have never and probably will never publicly identify myself as being pre-med. I've actually only told like two people, and they sure as hell weren't professors.
 
Chops369 said:
This x1000. The students at my school who are serious about pre-med have the worst attitudes, and they all think they're better than everyone else. I can't stand that crap.

I don't really understand the need to tell everyone your plans. I have never and probably will never publicly identify myself as being pre-med. I've actually only told like two people, and they sure as hell weren't professors.
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How do you go about telling people that you're not premed (when you are) when they ask you about what you want to do? I try not to say I am pre-med bc of the predisposition that comes with it, but I get tired of saying IDK. I usually say I'm going to apply once and if I don't get in I'll do my phd making it sound like like I'm not that serious about trying to get into medical school.
 
My advice to you is never admit you are premed to anybody unless they are a close friend or you are expecting a recommendation from them. This way you are not associated with the douches in bio 101 who think they're already neurodermoplasticrocket surgeons. This way you also avoid getting gunned down by the super gunners. Who the heck majors in premed anyways?
 
RapplixGmed said:
My advice to you is never admit you are premed to anybody unless they are a close friend or you are expecting a recommendation from them. This way you are not associated with the douches in bio 101 who think they're already neurodermoplasticrocket surgeons. This way you also avoid getting gunned down by the super gunners. Who the heck majors in premed anyways?
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If someone ever asked me what my major was (biology), the follow up question was almost always "And what do you want to do with it?"

You can lie if you don't want to get into the med school discussion, which is fine with me, but the self-righteous notion that not telling people you're pre-med is better than telling them is laughable.
 
RapplixGmed said:
My advice to you is never admit you are premed to anybody unless they are a close friend or you are expecting a recommendation from them. This way you are not associated with the douches in bio 101 who think they're already neurodermoplasticrocket surgeons. This way you also avoid getting gunned down by the super gunners. Who the heck majors in premed anyways?
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i think there is truth in this, ever since i disguised myself of not being a premed, i do pretty well academically and socially but the minute i say im premed, things get to rob me the wrong way.
 
Premeds irritate everyone...including premeds. It's funny that NO ONE is really out there at bat for premeds because as a group they just tend to be obnoxious, entitled, socially awkward, or irritating.

Sure there's plenty of normal people but when you're in a profession that sees hundreds of them every couple year, you really just see the mass as a whole.
 
Narmerguy said:
Premeds irritate everyone...including premeds. It's funny that NO ONE is really out there at bat for premeds because as a group they just tend to be obnoxious, entitled, socially awkward, or irritating.

Sure there's plenty of normal people but when you're in a profession that sees hundreds of them every couple year, you really just see the mass as a whole.
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I never spent any significant time with the "premed crew" during undergrad.
 
phnerd1105 said:
Its actually true. One of my intro bio professors hated pre-meds (99% of the class was pre-med too) so that if you came in to her with a question on a test or asking to curve you, she flat out wouldn't. She denied an A to my pre-med friend who was 2 points off, but she bumped another who was 5 points off because he lied and said he was applying for grad programs in bio and taking the GRE
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If that was actually the only reason, I find that pretty unethical (on the part of the professor.)
 
I don't spend any time with other pre-meds either and whenever someone asks about my plans after graduating, I just just say grad school. NO PROBLEMS HERE.
 
gettheleadout said:
If that was actually the only reason, I find that pretty unethical (on the part of the professor.)
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Well her multiple biases have actually gotten her in trouble with school admin, so i guess she's just going to be mean to all students from now on :laugh:

and yea, I can understand the professors positions. I NEVER say pre-med, because that automatically associates me with the ridiculous gunners on campus who have 100000 volunteer hours, 43908 papers published, have cured cancer and founded their own med school
 
phnerd1105 said:
Well her multiple biases have actually gotten her in trouble with school admin, so i guess she's just going to be mean to all students from now on :laugh:

and yea, I can understand the professors positions. I NEVER say pre-med, because that automatically associates me with the ridiculous gunners on campus who have 100000 volunteer hours, 43908 papers published, have cured cancer and founded their own med school
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That's good to hear, actually.
 
ozzi22 said:
that sucks, my stats prof was basically kind and grading the whole class fair, but the moment she asked what we were majoring in, i said premed and my grade took a nose dive.
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Don't major in "premed" then (unless that's seriously a major?). Just tell her your actual major or say you're undecided.
 
2sk0ol4c0ol said:
Hey I don't have an issue with any of my proffs. I don't beg for grades I don't deserve. Besides most of my teachers are liberal arts profs, I'm an English major. So I don't really encounter to many profs bitter about pre-meds.
BUT I do agree with your post.
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Haha my English profs think premeds are a terribly annoying bunch of students. They complain about them all the time. It is a small school so they end up having to teach comps when they don't have enough grad students to cover them. Premeds at my school would get so much father if they would at least pretend not to think they are entitled to A's.
 
Though pre-meds are by far more common, the entitlement felt by NCAA Division I athletes cannot be equaled. The professors here are generally biased against athletes, and not without good reason. As a result, I just don't mention it, as that part of my life seems immaterial in the classroom.
 
LOL this thread almost sounds like it should be about sexuality.

I'm not gonna be like those flaming pre-meds. I'm just gonna keep it to myself honestly it's nobody's business anyways.
I sure hope that the other pre-med student I study with doesn't out me! Iff he does I'm gonna be pissed.😡
I have to delete my web browser history so nobody see's the different med school websites I watch.
I crap I think I left my MSAR on my bed while I was reading through it while my roommate was sleep! I hope he doesn't see it. :scared:
My prof seems like he might be a pre-med basher but I need an LOR for a summer medical program!😱 What do I do? Wait:idea: I'm gonna give him a vague answer like grad school.

You guys just come out o your pre-med closets I swear it gets better!
 
My school is well known for getting almost all of their students into the health and grad schools (especially med schools) that they apply to so I've never seen a bias. In fact, if you tell a prof that you're premed they'll go out of their way to tell you different research/volunteer opportunities that are available.

At my school: pre-vets = most annoying

The pre-vet that sat next to me in microbio literally argued with our teacher b/c she got a 105% and the one question she missed she thought the word "form" was "from" and that changed how she read it. My teacher was like "And what do you want me to do exactly...? You read it wrong not me?"
 
I doubt a professor would grade you differently because you are premed.
 
TheProwler said:
If someone ever asked me what my major was (biology), the follow up question was almost always "And what do you want to do with it?"

You can lie if you don't want to get into the med school discussion, which is fine with me, but the self-righteous notion that not telling people you're pre-med is better than telling them is laughable.
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You do have a point about bio since I think the majority of bio people are pre-health to some extent or another. You can say that you don't know yet and want to keep your options open. I did engineering so when I said that, nobody really cared further. Chemistry, physics, and humanities may get better mileage on this too.

Same thing goes in med school. Unless you're really interested in your preceptor's field, just say you're not sure yet and DO NOT say what your top choice actually is. Keeps the guy from writing you off if you're not interested in what he does.

Its only common sense. Heck even when I was interviewing for undergrad, people's perception of me changed when I mentioned I wanted to do premed. In one interview for one of my top choices, I brought it up and subsequently got destroyed by the interviewer who seemed to have something against them (the first words out of his mouth were "why in the world would you want to do that?"). I never forgot that lesson in honesty.
 
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RapplixGmed said:
You do have a point about bio since I think the majority of bio people are pre-health to some extent or another. You can say that you don't know yet and want to keep your options open. I did engineering so when I said that, nobody really cared further. Chemistry, physics, and humanities may get better mileage on this too.

Same thing goes in med school. Unless you're really interested in your preceptor's field, just say you're not sure yet and DO NOT say what your top choice actually is. Keeps the guy from writing you off if you're not interested in what he does.

Its only common sense. Heck even when I was interviewing for undergrad, people's perception of me changed when I mentioned I wanted to do premed. In one interview for one of my top choices, I brought it up and subsequently got destroyed by the interviewer who seemed to have something against them (the first words out of his mouth were "why in the world would you want to do that?"). I never forgot that lesson in honesty.
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man that's really crazy stuff😱
 
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