Profit Margins?

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One of the main reasons I’m going into dentistry is the whole private practice/ “be your own boss” option it gives you unlike medicine and pharm. these days. Mainly bc my dad owns businesses and I love it, but don’t love his type of businesses / headaches involved.

With that being said, I’m SUPER into the business side of dentistry and wanted to get an insight on how profit margins vary based on types of procedure (excluding specialty procedures). Basically what are the margins per procedure?

One of the main reasons I ask is because I just saw a YouTube video where a girl paid $60k for a full set of veneers! Overhead and costs on making veneers cant be THAT high to end up with a quote like that right!?? Margins on that must’ve been HUGE!


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Lets see.

Cost of service/product multiplied by Gross Overhead percentage (fixed and variable expenses, staff costs, credit card processing fees, utilities, software support fees, maintenance, lab fees, taxes, etc. etc.). Next subtract that amount from the original cost of service/product gives you Net Collections. Next divide that number by the number of patient visits for that single service/procedure will give you a revenue per patient visit.

So .... plug in the numbers for a $1000 veneer. Your overhead is 70%. The cost to provide the veneer is $700. You net $300. Lets say it took you 3 visits for this procedure. $300/3 = $100 per visit.

Lets delve further into this. The dentist part of you wants the best for his/her patients and will do whatever is needed (re-make, additional visits, etc) to make sure that the patient is well taken care of. The business side of you wants to use cheap labs, cheap ... inexperienced staff, one patient visit regardless of fit to increase your per patient profits.

Therein lies the conundrum.
 
Lets see.

Cost of service/product multiplied by Gross Overhead percentage (fixed and variable expenses, staff costs, credit card processing fees, utilities, software support fees, maintenance, lab fees, taxes, etc. etc.). Next subtract that amount from the original cost of service/product gives you Net Collections. Next divide that number by the number of patient visits for that single service/procedure will give you a revenue per patient visit.

So .... plug in the numbers for a $1000 veneer. Your overhead is 70%. The cost to provide the veneer is $700. You net $300. Lets say it took you 3 visits for this procedure. $300/3 = $100 per visit.

Lets delve further into this. The dentist part of you wants the best for his/her patients and will do whatever is needed (re-make, additional visits, etc) to make sure that the patient is well taken care of. The business side of you wants to use cheap labs, cheap ... inexperienced staff, one patient visit regardless of fit to increase your per patient profits.

Therein lies the conundrum.

Thank you so much for your feedback!

But 70% overhead to make a veneer? That sounds so high! I was under the impression that margins were way higher on something like that. What makes the veneers so expensive? Raw materials or lab fees? How much less would it possibly cost if I was to make them in-house instead of outsourcing to someone's lab?

And side questions:

What procedure is the least profitable/smallest margins?

What procedure (in your opinion) is the most enjoyable?
 
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With 8+ years of education and hundred of thousands in loans, you're setting yourself up to be a crappy businessman. You can make much more in the finance sector with a much smaller investment. Plus, I know plenty of doctors in medicine that have their own practices, no need to force yourself into dentistry.
 
With 8+ years of education and hundred of thousands in loans, you're setting yourself up to be a crappy businessman. You can make much more in the finance sector with a much smaller investment. Plus, I know plenty of doctors in medicine that have their own practices, no need to force yourself into dentistry.

My family has been fortunate enough to get to a point where I won't have any loans for undergrad or dental school. (My parents were bottom class farmers 20 years ago in India... it's been a wild ride haha)

But so let me expand on myself a little bit more. My parents own a lot of commercial properties these days, mainly gas stations and apartments complexes. Although they make bank, I'm not really interested in my parent's lifestyle of working 12-18 hours a day, everyday, no days off or vacations, for 20 years, and never being able to spend time with family/kids. I can't work as hard as them haha That's another reason I don't like med school. On top of the much larger monetary and time investment it requires, along with the higher risks at stake such as getting into residency. I just feel like being a doctor, I'm going to have the same depressing work life my parents have.

And I'm not just doing this for the money. If I was, I wouldn't go through these 8 years of non-stop hoops. I would just take over my dad's businesses and let him retire. The main thing for me is, I LOVE business, but HATE gas station and apartment complexes. You would not believe the madness these businesses bring. From ******* tenants on the upper floor literally exploding their toliets with fireworks and leaking poop water into the living room of the person living below them, and calling us at 2 am to fix it,..to fuel storage tanks of a gas station cracking during the winter and letting in small amounts water through a hair-line crack, causing the station to be shut down for 2 months so we could dig out the 10,000 gallon tank and install a new one... for the low price of $20,000. It's just a never-ending circus man. I don't want to put up with it. My plan is to just hire a company to take care of it all for me while I can focus on dentistry later in life instead of manage them myself like my parents.

With that being said, I like dentistry because 1.) I just think it's cool man lol. 2.) You work with/ your employees are much more intelligent than the 40+ year old stilling living with his parents, working at a gas station, with the work ethic of a 5 year old. 3.) It seems much more easy to run on a large scale than gas stations (less probability of catastrophic problems). 4.) Gas stations have their days counted as it is, medicine will never go out of business. 5.) I would personally much rather do work that improves people's lives and get that little tingly feeling in your heart knowing you helped someone, than scream at a minimum wage employee for randomly not showing up to work for the third time this week.

My choice in pursuing dentistry will not change no matter how hard you try to reason with me haha, I'm already sold :b

I would just really like to know some of the financials behind different procedures as of right now. I've already researched and learned all about the pay scales and how diff. areas perform compared to others, as well as the general day-to-day workings/operations of a dental clinic. Now I'm trying to focus in more with actual numbers behind everything such as margins, volume of specific procedures done relative to others, such as how many crowns compared to extractions on a given month, etc... I'd really appreciate some insight!
 
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Thank you so much for your feedback!

But 70% overhead to make a veneer? That sounds so high! I was under the impression that margins were way higher on something like that. What makes the veneers so expensive? Raw materials or lab fees? How much less would it possibly cost if I was to make them in-house instead of outsourcing to someone's lab?

And side questions:

What procedure is the least profitable/smallest margins?

What procedure (in your opinion) is the most enjoyable?
**** I was under the impression that profit margins were way LOWER, not higher, whoops
 
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