Program access to match results!

[usmletutor]

I just ran across this paragraph on NRMP policy for Programs...

On the Monday after Match Week, institutional officials and program directors can view their Match Results by Ranked Applicant in the R3 System. Applicants are listed in the order of the program's rank order list. Displayed next to each applicant's name is the applicant's match status: the program to which the applicant matched, "unmatched," "withdrew" or "no ROL." The report helps program directors evaluate their programs. The policy of confidentiality, however, restricts the NRMP from releasing specific information about the ranking of programs by individual applicants.

This should answer the question about why can't one just tell every program they am ranking them #1. Because the interview committee shall be able to see which program you actually matched in to, and it may jeopardize future fellowship chances, etc...

http://www.nrmp.org/res_match/special_part/inst_officials/match_results.html

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[NotAProgDirector]

Well, yes, but the fellowship matches are run by the fellowship PD's who are usually different than the IM PD. And, they happen years later when it's unlikely we'd remember.

The best reasons not to tell all programs that they're your #1 choice are:

1. It's lying, which hopefully you know is bad for you in the long run.

2. It won't help you much in the match in any case.

 

[usmletutor]

You're right - it is absolutely unethical to state to numerous programs you are ranking each as #1 - that goes without saying.

However, from personal experience - I have had potential future fellowship directors as part of my current residency interview process - they just happen to be on the residency interview committee as well.

I have thoroughly enjoyed such an experience, as I have been able to gauge not only the residency program but gain some valuable info on fellowship details. I don't know if programs outside of pediatrics do this - but it was great to interview with my eventual cardiology director at such an early stage in the game!

So, not only unethical, but I would find it rude and self-jeopardizing to make such statements to these interviewers.

BTW - your advice has been invaluable during this application season! Thank you.

 

[CernerDrone]

Wait, so they can see who I withdrew from as well as who I didn't rank?

My situation is this. I applied to two specialties. I interviewed at 2 places for specialty A and decided to cancel the rest and thus kept with specialty B.

I don't want the specialty A programs (the 2 I interviewed at) to know I dropped them. At the same time, I don't want the specialty B programs to know I interviewed for specialty A programs.

They get to find out all the people I applied to and stuff?!

 

[mlw03]

not sure why you're so worried - people sometimes apply to multiple specialties. in any event, i don't think there's anything you can do about it. specialty A programs will be able to see where you matched, but they won't necesarilly know you didn't rank them. if they ranked you to match all they would know is that you didn't rank them number one.

 

[NotAProgDirector]

Wait, so they can see who I withdrew from as well as who I didn't rank?

My situation is this. I applied to two specialties. I interviewed at 2 places for specialty A and decided to cancel the rest and thus kept with specialty B.

I don't want the specialty A programs (the 2 I interviewed at) to know I dropped them. At the same time, I don't want the specialty B programs to know I interviewed for specialty A programs.

They get to find out all the people I applied to and stuff?!

Slow down! You move too fast!

What I get is my match list back with where each person on that list matched.

If you were ranked above my final match, then I know that you ranked your matched program higher than mine. If you didn;t match, then I know you didn't rank me (this is a very rare outcome)

If you were ranked below my final match, I have no idea where you ranked me.

The two A programs, assuming they rank you, will see that you matched into a B specialty program. They won't be able to tell if you ranked the B above them, or didn;t rank them at all.

This happens all the time, and you shouldn't sweat about it.

 

[Ischemia]

Slow down! You move too fast!

What I get is my match list back with where each person on that list matched.

If you were ranked above my final match, then I know that you ranked your matched program higher than mine. If you didn;t match, then I know you didn't rank me (this is a very rare outcome)

If you were ranked below my final match, I have no idea where you ranked me.

The two A programs, assuming they rank you, will see that you matched into a B specialty program. They won't be able to tell if you ranked the B above them, or didn;t rank them at all.

This happens all the time, and you shouldn't sweat about it.

So, say I rank you #3, but I don't match at #s 1 and 2, and end up matching at your program, my #3. Do you know I ranked you #3? Or, is all you know that I matched with you and, for all you know, I could have ranked you #1?

 

[mlw03]

So, say I rank you #3, but I don't match at #s 1 and 2, and end up matching at your program, my #3. Do you know I ranked you #3? Or, is all you know that I matched with you and, for all you know, I could have ranked you #1?

i think you're interpreting things correctly. in your scenario there's no way for the program to figure out where you ranked them.

 

[NotAProgDirector]

So, say I rank you #3, but I don't match at #s 1 and 2, and end up matching at your program, my #3. Do you know I ranked you #3? Or, is all you know that I matched with you and, for all you know, I could have ranked you #1?

i think you're interpreting things correctly. in your scenario there's no way for the program to figure out where you ranked them.

Both correct. If I match you, I have no idea where I was on your list.

 

[buckley]

Both correct. If I match you, I have no idea where I was on your list.

I think this is just fair because i could imagine there would be a certain animosity or at least an awkwardness if the program you ended up in knew they were not your top 5 or so...

 

[NotAProgDirector]

I think this is just fair because i could imagine there would be a certain animosity or at least an awkwardness if the program you ended up in knew they were not your top 5 or so...

...and the opposite is true also. You don't know if your were my first or last match, which seems fair also.