Program on probation??

[pyoj]

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What does it mean if a PM&R program is on probation?

I don't want to mention a specific program, but the residency coordinatior said it was required by law to inform me before i schedule for an interview.

thanks.
~pyoj

 

[Disciple]

It basically means they didn't do so well on their last site visit by the residency review committee and have 1 year to make the necessary adjustments so that their program meets ACGME standards. If they fail to meet these standards at the next site visit, their accreditation will be revoked.

 

[Gauss]

post the program
don't hide that sort of info from us!
they are required by LAW to inform all apps

 

[paz5559]

post the program
don't hide that sort of info from us!
they are required by LAW to inform all apps

Always cracks me up when people speak outside of their area of expertise - ok, Gauss, please enlighten me - what law, exactly, is it that requires a program to inform residency applicants of their probationary status?

Is it a Federal law? A State regulation?

Just so we are clear, neither the AMA, ACGME, RRC, nor AAPM&R have the authority to make law.

Mind you, they might be required by one of those entities to make applicants aware, but LAW? I don't think so

 

[pyoj]

what circumstances would prompt a probation? does it mean that the program is in complete disarray? or was it something easily rectified, like if residents did not perform at least 200 EMG, or someone reported violation of the 80 hour work week, etc.??

 

[chauffeur]

on a more practical note, if you are in a program which loses accreditation what happens then? does the program director call up other programs to place their sad residents and who pays them for the next few years? also, what programs has this happened to? i had never heard of one.

 

[ys]

One can look up the status of any residency program at acgme.org

 

[paz5559]

on a more practical note, if you are in a program which loses accreditation what happens then? does the program director call up other programs to place their sad residents and who pays them for the next few years? also, what programs has this happened to? i had never heard of one.

2004-5: none
2003-4: University of South Carolina
2002-3: Graduate Hospital
2001-2: University of Illinois @ Chicago, Univeristy of Tennessee @ Chattanooga

One can look up the status of any residency program at acgme.org

Is there a compilation of all residcencies on probation? Or do you need to go needle in a haystack for each individualo program's status?

 

[ys]

You have to go through each one, wouldn't take that long though. There is compilation of all progs that have LOST accreditation.

 

[Disciple]

what circumstances would prompt a probation? does it mean that the program is in complete disarray? or was it something easily rectified, like if residents did not perform at least 200 EMG, or someone reported violation of the 80 hour work week, etc.??

If a program is on probation, there is most likely something seriously wrong going on, whether it be a large number of small violations, 1-2 big ones or some combination thereof. I would be wary of these programs.

I actually know a former resident from the U. of SC program (listed as on probation in the above post). As far as I know, nobody from his old program helped him find a new position though he was eventually able to enter a vacated spot somewhere else.

 

[paz5559]

If a program is on probation, there is most likely something seriously wrong going on, whether it be a large number of small violations, 1-2 big ones or some combination thereof. I would be wary of these programs.

I actually know a former resident from the U. of SC program (listed as on probation in the above post). As far as I know, nobody from his old program helped him find a new position though he was eventually able to enter a vacated spot somewhere else.

Just to serve as a counterpoint, I also know a resident who was at the South Carolina program when it closed. She was guaranteed funding for the remainder of her training (and so was of no cost to the residency she ultimately ended up at), and ended up landing nicely on her feet at Stanford.

 

[chauffeur]

Just to serve as a counterpoint, I also know a resident who was at the South Carolina program when it closed. She was guaranteed funding for the remainder of her training (and so was of no cost to the residency she ultimately ended up at), and ended up landing nicely on her feet at Stanford.

when i posed the hypothetical situation to an attending, that is what i was told. not too bad... i guess.