programs on probation

[pathmad]

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is there any website that list the current pathology residency programs on probation?

 

[vr4nut]

This lists all programs, not just path, but they're in alphabetic order by specialty. This was sent out by my class president.

Hi,
Please click on the link below and follow the directions.
http://www.acgme.org/adspublic/

On the left hand side of the screen second to the bottom there's a link for accreditation decisions.

If you click on that you get a drop down box that gives you the option of selection "programs with unfavorable decisions"

This will list all programs in all specialties ordered alphabetically by specialty.

 

[mlw03]

thanks for that link. looks like the only residency on probation is lennox hill hospital in NY.

 

[pathmad]

Thank you so much for the info.

 

[deschutes]

Given the apparent numbers of astonishingly bad programs out there, I really have to wonder what it takes to be put on probation or given an "unfavourable decision"...

 

[pathmad]

so how can we find out about these bad programs, is there anyway? I mean the ones that are not officially on probation.

 

[Gut Shot]

so how can we find out about these bad programs, is there anyway? I mean the ones that are not officially on probation.

Just check the trunk. If you find a dead hooker, it's a bad program.

 

[Thaitanium]

OK, Ill try again...

Anyone know of any bad programs out there, let's hear it!

 

[yaah]

I highly doubt anyone is going to post. People have tried this in the past, but what do you honestly expect? There are going to be disgruntled residents at almost every program, even the best, and their bias could make it sound like an otherwise solid program has serious deficiencies. And conversely, someone who drinks the Kool Aid can convince you that a totally ****ty program is excellent.

The only way to really figure this out unfortunately is to get the opinion of people you trust, and find out for yourself. You can often find out a lot from websites, material they send you when you apply, and just conversing with someone there. If it takes an interview day to find out, then so be it, it's a worthwhile sacrifice to make since the decision decides the next part of your career.

 

[docbiohazard]

Just check the trunk. If you find a dead hooker, it's a bad program.

So true... if only I had known to follow this advice before medical school...

 

[EUA]

Just check the trunk. If you find a dead hooker, it's a bad program.

How else do you expect us to increase our autopsy numbers? Sheesh.

 

[Gut Shot]

How else do you expect us to increase our autopsy numbers? Sheesh.

You want some of mine?

 

[so somatic]

While I agree with the Yaah's sentiments above, I would also like to see more transparency in residency programs. Although pass rates for the boards is only one component of the overall competency of a program (and currently private information for program directors only) and visiting the program should help you, some method of surveying residents recently in a program would surely assist potential incoming residents in making their decision on where to choose. But Yaah is right: there will always be disgruntled residents who may make a lot of noise due to their own issues and trash an otherwise fine program.

As I near the end of my training, I realize that more information about my current program would have helped me make a better decision on where to train. Unfortunately, residents don't have advocates on this issue. If anyone is going to the upcoming CAP Residents Forum, it may be a point of discussion at their 'town hall' open session that they have.

 

[yaah]

I think surveys are often attempted but rarely successful. The reason being: Many people who answer surveys either do a half assed job (checking off the same thing in every category and not leaving comments) or they have a bone to pick about some specific issue. I would wager that the majority of people don't even respond, unfortunately. They try to sneak certain survey-type questions in at the end of the RISE, for example, but even if they released this information (which they probably won't) it wouldn't add much, probably.

 

[deschutes]

The ACGME has a one-time survey administered I believe every 3 years. It's a general survey, not geared towards pathology residencies. When I was at the CAP RF meeting last, I remember residents at the table talking about how their program somewhat-but-not-really tried to coach them re: how to answer it.

Once you attempt to get program-specific, there are all sorts of people you can piss off. And in the interests of jobs, fellowships and being generally seen as "nice and agreeable to work with", there are many residents who have a general fear of "repercussions".

Hence Scutwork.com, a relatively anonymous medium. Because it is apparently anonymous, it gives residents an opportunity to air their grievances. It's a good start. With the caveat that given a known population of residents in a program, it is often not hard to figure out who wrote a review, so it's not terrifically anonymous.

so somatic, what sorts of questions would you like to see on a residency graduation survey?