Programs that include PGY-1?

[mtn0417]

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Is there a list with programs that include a PGY-1 in their program instead of having to do the transitional year through another institution? (I believe University of Washington does that, but that was the only school I looked up and saw, most others did not)

 

[hardknocks]

As far as I know... ECU, LSU, U of Rochestor and Albany medical Center. But there may be others.

 

[axm397]

Baylor, Mayo, Upenn, RIC, to add to that list.

 

[dc2md]

Ohio State had a few or their spots as categorical

 

[phoenix0610]

I'll add UNC and UT San Antonio

 

[MSKalltheway]

I dont remember offhand, but I thought some of the Cali progs had categorical spots as well.

Just to make it easy for everyone's viewing pleasure:

Programs with Categorical (PGY-1) spots:
ECU
LSU
Rochester
Albany
Baylor
Mayo
RIC
U of Washington
UPenn
Ohio State
UNC
UT-San Antonio

 

[2mannings1cup]

Don't forget Pitt and Case

 

[joseppi]

Programs with Categorical (PGY-1) spots:
ECU
LSU
Rochester
Albany
Baylor
Mayo
RIC
U of Washington
UPenn
Ohio State
UNC
UT-San Antonio[/QUOTE]
and UC Davis

 

[AviatorDoc]

Univ of Kentucky

 

[dc2md]

Programs with Categorical (PGY-1) spots:
ECU
LSU
Rochester
Albany
Baylor
Case Western
Mayo
Pitt
RIC
U of Washington
UPenn
Ohio State
UNC
UT-San Antonio
UC Davis
University of Kentucky

 

[mtn0417]

This is really some great information! I am kind of curious how matching would work. Say you apply for PGY-1 spots but do not "make" any of them (It seems like there are FAR fewer PGY-1 spots, which leads me to believe they are more competitive, though I have been known to be wrong), is a PGY-2 spot potentially offered? When one applies to a program can they apply for both for either pgy-1 or 2? Catch my drift...

 

[dc2md]

mtn0417, what happens is you'll apply to the program. you get an interview offer. you go and let them know you're interested in BOTH the categorical and advanced spots. but then when it comes to submitting your ranking to ERAS, you can put all the categorical spots (1-10 for instance), and then start #11 with Mayo (for instance) advanced...and so on. it's much easier to explain in person. see if one of the residents around you can do it.

OR, if there's a particular program you want to match at no matter if it's categorical or advanced, they'll be your #1 & 2 spots in your rank.

 

[catullus39]

Rush

 

[mdvol]

U of Virginia has two of four spots as categorical unless it changed.

 

[Pyroclast]

Anyone know which programs actually do their categorical PGY-1 year through the PM&R program? For example, LSU does a beautiful thing for their residents where the intern year is run by the PM&R program with an eye towards making the year useful for physiatry (dc2md, that's right, right?). But Ohio State's categorical just guarantees you a prelim spot with OSU's internal med program. Which is nice if you don't want to have to move twice and lets you learn the local system, but is quite different than being part of the same program. I wish there was a way to tell the difference when you look at FREIDA instead of it just saying 3 or 4 year.

 

[hardknocks]

Thats tough to find out. I know what your saying about LSU. I did interview there and it was pretty sweet how they split up the PGY1 year some. In fact, a PGY1 was telling me how he had done a cervical spine injection already. Im at Albany Med and here its hardcore Medicine for the first year. You wont even see the PM and R ward. But you will come out knowing your stuff as far as medicine goes. Initially I wanted to start PM and R related things right away. But for me in the end, I want to have a good core of basic internal medicine knowledge. Others may chime in on their programs??

 

[dc2md]

pyroclast is right. our "medicine" year is split 50/50 between the first two years. AND, the rotations are setup by the PM&R chief resident. this results in the medicine rotations being VERY relevant to physiatry.

and hardknocks has a good point too. not doing medicine wards will definitely mean you're not learning IM as well. but since you really don't use that knowledge in PM&R (except if you're doing inpatient rehab at a standalone facility), you're gonna lose it all after a few years. so do you want to have a tough intern year and learn a ton of IM that you'll forget eventually? or do you want "cush" medicine rotation that are relevant to what you'll be doing the rest of your career? i really don't think there's a wrong answer.

one other thing to consider about how we do it at LSU is that since your medicine months are split between your first two years, a problem would arise if you just really hated New Orleans and wanted to transfer/leave. no other program would likely take you in until after your PGY2 year.

but i gotta say, i really really really love that i was able to start learning and practicing PM&R from the start of my intern year. that's been a HUGE plus to me.