Prospective Scripps College Postbac Program thread

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If you have any questions regarding the program, curriculum, how competitive your application is, linkage, student life, Claremont, labs, teachers, committee letters, or anything else, feel free to post them in this thread and I (or others) can do their best to answer them.

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If you have any questions regarding the program, curriculum, how competitive your application is, linkage, committee letters, or anything else, feel free to post them in this thread and I (or others) can do their best to answer them.

Thanks for the good post! I've got a phone-appointment to discuss admissions scheduled this wednesday afternoon with the Scripps adcom... I'm thinking about asking some questions related to the info you mentioned above, but also things like "what else can I do to make myself a more competitive applicant?" and "what is scripps policy in regard to GPA calculations -- (and do they differ from AMCAS... I've had "academic renewal" done that has erased certain grades from my overall GPA calculation), etc etc. I will also post answers to questions I ask in this thread after I speak with their admissions counselor. I'm not sure if you know the answer to the GPA calculation question, though...
 
Thanks for the good post! I've got a phone-appointment to discuss admissions scheduled this wednesday afternoon with the Scripps adcom... I'm thinking about asking some questions related to the info you mentioned above, but also things like "what else can I do to make myself a more competitive applicant?" and "what is scripps policy in regard to GPA calculations -- (and do they differ from AMCAS... I've had "academic renewal" done that has erased certain grades from my overall GPA calculation), etc etc. I will also post answers to questions I ask in this thread after I speak with their admissions counselor. I'm not sure if you know the answer to the GPA calculation question, though...

I can basically tell you how it will work. Scripps will take your official transcripts, look at your calculated GPA from each institution you attended, and calculate a GPA for each school, then calculate an overall GPA.

They are looking for candidates that will make good medical students. I don't think they have posted minimums for GPA/test scores, but I think the minimum they're really going to consider for GPA is about 3.2-3.3, while the test scores should be > 1200, while 1300 would be better. As far as accepted candidates, I would think 3.65/1300 is probably a good guess.

I think the average GPA in the program is in the 3.6-3.7 range, while the MCAT average for my year was around 32. That means that the average Scripps graduate that applies open pool (which is half the class or a bit less) is applying with around 3.7/32, and typically a strong committee letter and ECs. You can probably see why they do well in admissions.

Anyways, Jodi will let you know whether she thinks you're a competitive candidate. Some ways in which you can certainly improve your application are GPA improvement and by working on your extracurriculars (research/volunteering/shadowing).

The timing of your app is important as well. I think Scripps has their first interviews in December which means that they recieve those apps and LORs by Oct or so.
 
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Quick question, do they let you know when your application is complete?... my LOR were mailed out per the recommenders and i just wanted to make sure they had everything, should i call/email or will they notify me?
 
Quick question, do they let you know when your application is complete?... my LOR were mailed out per the recommenders and i just wanted to make sure they had everything, should i call/email or will they notify me?

You can call the office or email vescott@scrippscollege.edu and she will let you know if your application is complete.
 
Ok, the answer to some questions I've received via PM:

Location/Weather/Housing:

Scripps College is one of the 5 Claremont Colleges, which is located about 30 miles east of Los Angeles. Claremont is a very nice town that is extremely safe and has a small town feel to it. Students are not eligible for on-campus housing but there are many apartments and houses for rent around campus. Expect to pay $600-900 pp/month for housing if you share or rent a room and somewhat more if you want to live alone. Claremont is relatively hot in the summer (temperatures can exceed 100) but pretty dry. Winter temperatures are 60-70 or so, and fall/spring are in between. Rain is rare.

Isn't Scripps a women's college?

Scripps is a women's college, but the postbacc program is coed. This is not at all awkward because all of the other four colleges on campus are coed and all of your classes are taken at the Claremont Joint Science department which is shared by Claremont McKenna, Pitzer, and Scripps students. The male/female ratio in classes tends to be about 50/50.

How much does it cost?

I believe Summer Session is about $2500, while the fall and winter semesters are both about $11,000.

What is the schedule like for the 12 and 15 month programs? What about the two year program?

The 12 month program starts in the summer, where you will do general chemistry. The 15 month program does as well, but you only take two classes with lab during the fall and spring semesters and take physics I and II during the second summer. In the two-year program you take fewer classes and are expected to do 20 hours of work/volunteering during each school year. It's also possible to do the 12 month program and stay an additional year to do upper division coursework.

When do you take the MCAT?

If you are linking you must take the MCAT in April or very early May, if you are not, then you can take it whenever you want, but it's best to take it by June so you can apply early.

What about committee letters? When should I get LORs?

You should submit requests for LORs by the end of February (for non-linkage) and earlier for linkage. In order to have a committee letter written, LORs should be submitted by three faculty members by the end of March for non-linkage students and by Mar 1 for linkage students.

What are the stats required for linkage?

For George Washington, the required stats are 3.5 in the program and 9 on each section of the MCAT. I'm not sure what GPA students need to be eligible to apply, but most programs that are admitted into the program that don't have previous science courses should be eligible. Students typically are allowed to retake the MCAT if they fail to meet the numbers, and will be allowed to link for the following year if they can meet the numbers by April IIRC. About 50% of a typical class links to GW, and you usually know if you have conditional acceptance by the end of September of the year before matriculation.

For Pittsburgh, the required stats are 3.75 in the program and 33 MCAT. Not everyone who applies to Pittsburgh linkage will receive conditional acceptance, but about 50% of students who attempted to link to Pitt have been successful.

There are other linkages (to Western COM, Drexel, Temple, and others), but I don't know what the requirements are) I have heard that Pritzker and Rochester may be added as potential linkages in the future if they haven't already.
 
How long does it take Scripps to notify you of their decision from time of submission? tryin to plan what i will do in spring (needa line up state classes if im not goin to a formal post-bac)
 
How long does it take Scripps to notify you of their decision from time of submission? tryin to plan what i will do in spring (needa line up state classes if im not goin to a formal post-bac)

It depends. If you submit your application early, you may be granted an interview by Dec, late Jan, or Early Feb (It depends on the interview schedule. Last year only 1-2 people were interviewed before the new year and only 1-2 in January IIRC). Did you talk to admissions before submitting? If they think you're a competitive candidate there's a very good chance you'll receive an interview. After my interview it took about three weeks or so for me to receive word of being accepted. Some people are accepted sooner, and some people take longer though, it depends on what the class looks like, how competitive you are, etc. I think 2-4 weeks is pretty standard, though. Spring break was one of the three weeks in my waiting period. This past year, the class was pretty full by April, so it's in your best interest to apply early. Some extremely strong candidates didn't receive admission b/c they applied late (3.8+/1400+)
 
I'll be adding more FAQ questions tonight.
 
I'll be adding more FAQ questions tonight.

Just wanted to say thanks for starting up this thread... it's good to hear from someone who's been through their program that can tell prospectors what's going on.
 
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How difficult is the course load for the 12 month program?

The 12 month program is difficult to very difficult. Summer gchem is deceptively easy, and the majority of postbacs receive As in Gchem, although it is a lot of class, Monday-Friday 8AM-12PM and Lab M-R 115-515 or so.

Fall semester is intro bio, physics I, and Ochem I, all with lab. It's pretty brutal, and you'll be in class a good 25 hours a week, not including study time. You're also expected to do about 6 hours a week of volunteering or research, and you'll receive assistance in finding such a position from the program. My year we had scheduling issues and had three midterms back to back to back on the same day at times which wasn't at all fun, but they've apparently gotten better at this.

Spring semester is probably a little harder than fall if you're taking a spring MCAT. Physiology, Ochem II, and Physics II all with labs and a MCAT review course (the program will suggest one, hopefully Berkeley Review will be back on campus, they were during our year) is a pretty heavy load.

If you finish all the course requirements, you'll receive a certificate from the program, which is a nice piece of paper but not particularly useful otherwise.

How successful are people who finish the program?

In the last five years, all people who finished the program have been accepted to medical schools. As far as actual performance, for reference, my postbac class averaged about 33.2 on the MCAT, which is slightly below Berkeley Review's average at Cal but significantly higher than the average for matriculants. Not bad considering none of the people taking it had had any upper division coursework at all.

Of people in my postbac class (who finished in 2006) three are currently at USC, six at GW, one at WCOM (linkage), one at Drexel, one at NYU, and four others are applying this year.

The 2007 class had several people link to GW, one to Pitt, one to Western, and many people are applying this cycle.
 
What should I expect from the interview? How do I get there from the airport? Where should I stay?

Getting to Claremont is pretty easy. There are many airports in the LA area and Ontario is the closest one to Claremont (about 10 miles east). I would rent a car because it's nearly impossible to get around the LA area without one. Claremont is just a short drive west down the 10 from Ontario Airport (exit on Monte Vista or Indian Hill). If you land at LAX, you can take the 405 North to the 10 East to Indian Hill. I would very much recommend not arriving the morning of your interview at LAX as depending on traffic this can be quite a long drive.

There is no formal student host program at Scripps, unfortunately. There are many hotels near Claremont, but since I lived in the area, I don't really know which ones are a good deal. The Doubletree is pretty close to campus, though, maybe 1 mile away.

The interview itself is typically about an hour long, and is usually with the Program Director, Jodi Olson, the Faculty Advisor, Dr. Naftilan, and a senior faculty member from the admissions committee. A 3 on 1 interview can be a little intimidating, but this is very good preparation for med school interviews.

Generally I would say that this interview was harder than any I've experienced so far in medical school, so I would prepare, but others have said that it was very relaxed. I suppose it depends on the individual person, but they are very interested in knowing whether you're truly committed to a career in medicine, understand the underlying issues, and can explain everything on your academic record.

Good cop/Bad Cop is a pretty common strategy during this interview, especially during ethical or health policy questions, which will always come up. A lot of these questions have no right or wrong answer, but make sure you take a defensible position and stand your ground.

Either before or after the interview, you'll be taken to a class by a current student, and they will also take you to lunch at the Scripps dining hall, which is a very nice cafeteria-style lunch facility where postbacs can eat lunch for $5 (your lunch and that of your escort will obviously be free). This is a great opportunity to meet the postbacs, many of which will eat lunch together.

After lunch, Jodi will usually take all of the interviewees on a campus tour. The Claremont Colleges are on a beautiful campus and most people will be very impressed.

After I interview, what next? When will I find out whether I'm accepted?

Decisions by the admissions committee usually take a few weeks, and prospective students can be put on an informal hold as well. You won't be notified of holds unless you are on a formal waitlist, which isn't usually until late in the application season. The earliest you will be notified is probably 2-3 weeks, though.

I don't know the total number of applicants/interviewees/accepted students for 2007, and I'm not sure if those statistics were published but if I had to guess by our interview schedule, probably 50 people were interviewed out of about 300 applicants, and of those, probably half were accepted for a class of about 15.

I do know that some very qualified candidates ended up not being granted admission for qualitative reasons. Scripps is very much about fit.

The admissions committee is looking for students that are 1) great candidates for medical school, both qualitatively and quantitatively, 2) great people with good personalties and an interesting story to tell, 3) hard-working people who will succeed in a very rigorous postbac program, and most importantly, 4) dedicated and passionate about a career in medicine.

How will I know if I am a competitive candidate?

Normal minimum GPA to apply to the program is around 3.3 but that's just a guideline. I'd say most competitive candidates will have 3.5 or above GPA and SAT > 1200. If you want to know where you stand, definitely call and set up an appointment to speak with Jodi Olson, the program director, who will usually give you a very candid assessment of your chances.
 
Thanks drizz, much appreciated. You really are a gem for helping everyone out =)
 
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No problem, feel free to PM or post any more questions that you (or anyone else) might have.
 
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Jodi is pretty busy because she is the pre-health advisor for Scripps undergrad as well as the postbac program and it's possible she had a student with her when you called. I spoke with her earlier today and her schedule is pretty packed. I'm sorry to hear about your bad experience. I believe the program has only two full time people and one student worker so they're a little blitzed at times.
 
Jodi is pretty busy because she is the pre-health advisor for Scripps undergrad as well as the postbac program and it's possible she had a student with her when you called. I spoke with her earlier today and her schedule is pretty packed. I'm sorry to hear about your bad experience. I believe the program has only two full time people and one student worker so they're a little blitzed at times.

It happens. Hopefully she doesn't remember my name when I apply. Or, you could put in a good word, for me 😉
And sorry to rain all over your parade (this thread and the work you've done to it), I just felt discouraged and let down after the phone call, and my emotions vented a little in the post I made. Hopefully you can forgive me here in the post bac world. I still love Claremont.
 
Jodi is definitely someone you want on your side, she knows many many ADCOMs personally and will always fight for her students. She also helps put things in perspective for us neurotic premeds, and I'm not sure I would have made it through the program with my sanity intact without her help 🙂
 
Heh no problem, everyone gets frustrated at times. I'm sure it won't be the first time you encounter frustration in the med school application cycle.

Jodi is definitely someone you want on your side, though, she knows many many ADCOMs personally and will always fight for her students. She also helps put things in perspective for us neurotic premeds, and I'm not sure I would have made it through the program with my sanity intact without her help 🙂

I'm sure she would be happy to talk with you at another time, just try to set up another appointment.

Okay, thanks again. I'm going to clear the comment I made above so it doesn't taint the thread. And no more thread hijacks... I hate sifting through pages of posts to find info related to the original post.
 
Hi Drizz, Thank you so much for providing us with these detailed responses. Has the post-bac program/ADCOMM seen candidates with a JD? If so, what is their general perception or does it not matter? Also, do you know what is the average GRE score accepted ?

Thanks.
 
Hi Drizz, Thank you so much for providing us with these detailed responses. Has the post-bac program/ADCOMM seen candidates with a JD? If so, what is their general perception or does it not matter? Also, do you know what is the average GRE score accepted ?

Thanks.

I escorted a candidate this spring that was a JD and I know we've had some JDs in the program. I know quite a few JD/MDs and I believe the general perception is that it's not that uncommon, but it won't really help your application beyond showing that you have critical reasoning skills and being a nice extracurricular.

As far as GRE scores, I'm not totally sure since I never took the GRE. I believe average SAT scores are about 1300-1400 (out of 1600) so I imagine it would scale accordingly for GRE (whatever that is equivalent to).
 
In another post, a person assumed that he/she was rejected from Scripps because he/she was too old. But Jodi Olson told the applicant that the program didn't know if he/she would be able to handle the workload. I think the applicant was 34 at the time. How old is too old? I'm in my late 20's (not too far from 34, in my mind).
 
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Quick question: for the 12 month program, when does summer general chem. start? They keep mentioning May on the website but I haven't been able to find dates...early May, late May?

I'm interested in applying but I'll be finishing my MPH and, if I get in, will have to high tail it out to the west coast, so I'm a wee bit worried about timing. Also, how much of a break do you get between summer session and the start of fall semester? Any info. would be much appreciated!
 
Quick question: for the 12 month program, when does summer general chem. start? They keep mentioning May on the website but I haven't been able to find dates...early May, late May?

I'm interested in applying but I'll be finishing my MPH and, if I get in, will have to high tail it out to the west coast, so I'm a wee bit worried about timing. Also, how much of a break do you get between summer session and the start of fall semester? Any info. would be much appreciated!

Gen Chem started June 1 for me. If it starts in May, it'll be like May 31. You get about 2-3 weeks between the end of winter quarter and the beginning of fall semester. Note that there aren't any breaks during the two summer sessions, except one day for July 4. The Claremont College in general do not observe almost any holidays. GW does a lot of interviews for linkage students in between summer session/fall semester.
 
I'm bumping this thread for people to ask questions now that we're in the thick of the PB application season.
 
In another post, a person assumed that he/she was rejected from Scripps because he/she was too old. But Jodi Olson told the applicant that the program didn't know if he/she would be able to handle the workload. I think the applicant was 34 at the time. How old is too old? I'm in my late 20's (not too far from 34, in my mind).
My Scripps year had a student who was 40 and he did very well (linked to Pitt). I don't think the age is the issue as much as your ability to handle the work load. While its VERY doable, the program is time consuming and stressful. If Jodi gets the feeling that a candidate can't handle the workload then that weighs very heavily on their decision.
 
I'm thinking about applying to this program, too. I'm entirely new to the concept of a post-bacc, so I had a couple questions that you might be able to answer:

1. How did you handle the pretty huge tuition fee? This is really the only major barrier to my applying. Right now, I go to USC and am about to graduate after my fifth year, and even with a merit scholarship, tuition is pretty awful; I'm already taking out tons of loans. Adding another $40k or however much just seems completely unreasonable. Do you think it's worth it?

2. Do you know anything about the part-time program? Would you be able to juggle a full-time job with the program, or do you think just buckling down and doing it all at once is preferable?

Thanks so much! (This thread is really helpful.)
 
1. How did you handle the pretty huge tuition fee? This is really the only major barrier to my applying. Right now, I go to USC and am about to graduate after my fifth year, and even with a merit scholarship, tuition is pretty awful; I'm already taking out tons of loans. Adding another $40k or however much just seems completely unreasonable. Do you think it's worth it?

As a non-trad, I had money set aside for school. Scripps is not that expensive, I think it's about $22k/yr for tuition and housing is pretty cheap in the area. I do think it's worth it, especially if you're not from a science background.

2. Do you know anything about the part-time program? Would you be able to juggle a full-time job with the program, or do you think just buckling down and doing it all at once is preferable?

Thanks so much! (This thread is really helpful.)

Yes, you can definitely do a full-time job with the program if you do it part time, but it will take longer to complete if you do that. I would personally say it would be better to do it full-time because it looks a bit better to adcoms but some people do the part time program as well.
 
Great! Thanks for your input.

Also, you wouldn't happen to know if Jodi sees people in person prior to interviews, would you? I'm not sure if that's a questionable thing to do, but I had some questions I wanted to ask her about the program. Maybe I could figure out a phone appointment or something instead.
 
Great! Thanks for your input.

Also, you wouldn't happen to know if Jodi sees people in person prior to interviews, would you? I'm not sure if that's a questionable thing to do, but I had some questions I wanted to ask her about the program. Maybe I could figure out a phone appointment or something instead.

I think you're better off calling and setting up an appointment to talk to her over the phone, as Jodi has a pretty full schedule! I believe Scripps has some open houses that may be an option as well to find out more about the program.
 
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fwiw, I heard the class of 2009 was pretty full at this point in terms of interviews offered, for those who were wondering.
 
I'm still following along. I'm assuming Pre-Vet would also be considered at Scripps, but let me know if it wouldn't be. It's quite close to my house so it'd be great in terms of convenience.
 
I'm still following along. I'm assuming Pre-Vet would also be considered at Scripps, but let me know if it wouldn't be. It's quite close to my house so it'd be great in terms of convenience.

That would be something you'd want to ask Jodi about. I know they've had pre-dent and pre-opto students there and I think maybe one pre-vet but I can't remember if that's the case.
 
class of 09 is done for now i think.
 
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If anyone has any questions, post them here, I will try to answer them when I have a chance. i am not here that often anymore and am pretty busy.
 
Are there any past or current scripps post bacc students living in the San Francisco Bay Area? Would anyone be willing to talk to me about their impressions of the program?

Thanks!
 
Is this program best to get into DO/MD programs, or do they take DVM prospects?
 
It's geared towards premeds, I dunno if dvm has diff prereqs or if they will take prevets, you should probably ask Jodi.
 
Hello all fellow prospective post bac students!

I was just wondering, for those of you who chose Scripps, did you apply to other programs like Goucher and Bryn Mawr? What made you choose Scripps?
 
Hello all fellow prospective post bac students!

I was just wondering, for those of you who chose Scripps, did you apply to other programs like Goucher and Bryn Mawr? What made you choose Scripps?

1. claremont colleges are the cutest charming liberal arts colleges
2. scripps college is about 10 miles from my house, where i grew up
.... THAT.. can almost override everything else.
scripps is excellent
and i LOVE jodi.
scripps has the exact kind of research i want to pursue in the long term future as well.
 
Figured bumping this would be an easy way to answer some of the Qs that have popped up.
 
so i just read on another post that there is also a scripps post bac program for pre-dents. do u kno anything about that? if so, do they have linkages to other dental schools? please let me know
thanks!
 
so i just read on another post that there is also a scripps post bac program for pre-dents. do u kno anything about that? if so, do they have linkages to other dental schools? please let me know
thanks!

It's the same program. I think they have a linkage to Western now, but I could be wrong about that. Call Jodi and ask...
 
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