Psych NP vs MPH

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Hello,

I am an international medical grad interested in psych residency and have done research, externship, review articles, case reports and posters but didnt match in psych after applying thrice.

I am only interested in psych and dont want to give up.

I am thinking about NP and MPH options; please suggest which option is better to go with in order to get residency.

Thanks
 
You have to give more information. Why didnt you match 3x. Scores? Application strategy?

A psych NP will allow you to practice “psychiatry light” but it won’t help and may hurt in securing a residency. MPH won’t matter either way
 
An NP is a separate degree. You'd need to become an RN (various timelines for this) and then apply for an NP program which will take at least another year (often of sub-optimal training to practice independently) before you could even practice. So likely to be minimum 3 years before you could actually gain clinical experience that would add anything to your CV. Personally I think the MPH would have more value, but neither is a particularly good option for you to get into residency, especially if you've gone unmatched 3 times already.

Agree with Ironspy, more info as to why you didn't match is needed.
 
You could try for neuro and do fellowship in neuropsychiatry.

Also physiatry and specialize in brain injury medicine.

Family medicine and mental health fellowship.

If you become a psych np, you could do expert witness work in med mal cases.
 
You have to give more information. Why didnt you match 3x. Scores? Application strategy?

A psych NP will allow you to practice “psychiatry light” but it won’t help and may hurt in securing a residency. MPH won’t matter either way
my scores are 200/198/pass/197
Grad year is 2006
 
have you practiced in psychiatry in your home country recently? when was the last time you were working as a physician? If it wasn't in the past few years, you have no chance of matching into psychiatry and there is nothing that you can do to improve your chances. If you are already a psychiatrist and have practiced recently, then you have a small chance of getting into residency in the US. You need to think about alternatives, whether that be alternative careers (such as training and practicing as a therapist or psych NP) or seeing about working in other countries. Unfortunately, with the increasing number of US medical students, and a small increase in the popularity of psychiatry, it is increasingly competitive to match into US residency, especially psychiatry. Most places won't consider someone more than 5 years out of medical school. Your scores are very low for this era (not clear when you took the USMLEs, but today a 198 would not even be a passing step 2 score so it must have been years ago).

It sounds like you have worked very hard to get things like publications and externships etc to be best placed to match, and have not been able to do so. We can sometimes tell ourselves "if only I do x, then I will be able to...". But that doesn't apply here. You had your chances to match, and unless you have very recent clinical experience (not an externship or observership, really clinical work), and a good relationship with someone in a position of influence to advocate for you to get a residency spot, it isn't going to happen and there is nothing that you can do about it. It's very demoralizing and not want you want to hear, but it is the truth. I am an IMG and have supported many IMGs over the years. We had 2 IMGs with much higher scores than you, only 2-3 years out from medical school, with research experience, and who rotated with me and got letters from a top academic institution and neither of them matched this year 🙁 It is only going to get harder for everyone. I don't want to discourage IMGs in general (as 1/3 psych residents are IMGs) but someone this far out of medical school, with barely passing scores from years ago, no recent clinical work, and failed to match three times already has an almost irredeemable application. Nobody will want to take the risk on you when there are many more "safe bets" to choose from.
 
no I have not. i have low scores

That’s part of your problem. There are psych PGY-2 spots open every year with limited transfers. Had you applied earlier to the prelim and transitional programs, you would have had a fair shot of being in a psych residency already. Landing a straight psych position with those stats is very unlikely. PGY-2 positions with passing steps don’t focus on scores as much.

Every year that goes by decreases the odds of a match as your clinical skills deteriorate.
 
Get into a Transitional year, prelim year program. And then look up the bare minimums each state requires to get a medical license to practice.
Some states will allow a medical license for IMG with 2 years post graduate experience.
So then do a second transitional year some place to hit your magic two.
Open up a cash only business and fight hard to market and build something for yourself. You more training and education then an ARNP, remember that.

Or look into Occupational Med residencies.
 
I'm not convinced that prescribing psychologists are a threat to psychiatrists. First, a lot of us don't want to prescribe (myself included). Second, we would have to be treated as midlevels in a prescribing role and a lot of us don't want that, either.
 
they need to have a supervising physician or "collaborative practice agreement" with a physician (not necessarily a psychiatrist)
Ignore me. I misread that post in several ways.
 
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