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Does anyone else feel something akin to rage when they see their facebook friends post things like this? How does one resist the urge to tell them that they should drink a bleach martini or read a book (whichever is less painful for them).

 

[neusu]

I see 4 atoms different e.g. 1 carbon and 3 hydrogens..

 

[B_52]

I see 4 atoms different e.g. 1 carbon and 3 hydrogens..

yeah and they said molecules instead of atoms lol

Was gonna save everyone the pain of reading the person's caption but here is what she posted with it: "No way i'm going to let some pill pushing doctor who is owned by big pharma companies get my son hooked into drug addiction"

Pretty sure the kid isn't vaccinated either. And she's ivy league educated... (edit: ivy league dropout, but still.)

 

[giantswing]

I dunno. I like a nice cold glass of h2o2. Is that different than h2o?

 

[NotYou20]

Nope. I've accepted that tons of people are dumb and enjoy the bottomless pit of entertainment it provides. Life is better this way

 

[Brorthopedic]

I dunno. I like a nice cold glass of h2o2. Is that different than h2o?

Person 1 walks into a bar and says "I'll have some h20"
Person 2 orders next and says "I'll have h2o too" and then he died

You have no idea how long I've been waiting to deliver that joke

 

[750335]

Person 1 walks into a bar and says "I'll have some h20"
Person 2 orders next and says "I'll have h2o too" and then he died

You have no idea how long I've been waiting to deliver that joke

This is a joke I need to steal....and the timing could not be better LMAO

 

[Brorthopedic]

This is a joke I need to steal....and the timing could not be better LMAO

Don't forget to give me credit as first author

 

[jowblow997]

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Does anyone else feel something akin to rage when they see their facebook friends post things like this? How does one resist the urge to tell them that they should drink a bleach martini or read a book (whichever is less painful for them).

You resist the urge to "rage" by having empathy. In my experience, we in medicine are often out of touch with how much more we understand about medicine/science than the majority of the population. Instead of getting angry at these people for posting things like that, we should use it as an opportunity to educate. Even though it is so simple to us in the science world that the picture is completely inaccurate, it is not obvious to people outside of our bubble.

And I don't mean this in a condescending way nor am I trying to suggest that we are superior to the rest of the public. I guarantee there are concepts that are simple for hairdressers/business people/lawyers/meteorologists/etc to understand that many of us in medicine don't understand. Encouraging others (and ourselves) to be resourceful and fact-check things like this or like vaccinations is more productive than "raging". We all bring something unique to the table.

Also, while this post may seem unnecessarily serious, this topic is salient to me as I've recently seen many peers look down on people outside of medicine. We are not holier than thou and need to remember that everyone contributes something.

 

[sloop]

Don't you realize that we should condemn our children to a lifetime of poor school performance, underachieving and low occupational attainment because the molecular structure of adderal resembles speed? I'm also concerned that they're putting fluoride in our water. Oh, and what about vaccines?

People have no ****ing clue what they're talking about.

 

[mcworbust]

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Does anyone else feel something akin to rage when they see their facebook friends post things like this? How does one resist the urge to tell them that they should drink a bleach martini or read a book (whichever is less painful for them).

Rage? Yes. I resist the urge by unfriending them.

 

[Anti-PD1]

Unfollow them. Not worth it. Or just leave Facebook. Not worth it.

 

[sloop]

You resist the urge to "rage" by having empathy. In my experience, we in medicine are often out of touch with how much more we understand about medicine/science than the majority of the population. Instead of getting angry at these people for posting things like that, we should use it as an opportunity to educate. Even though it is so simple to us in the science world that the picture is completely inaccurate, it is not obvious to people outside of our bubble.

And I don't mean this in a condescending way nor am I trying to suggest that we are superior to the rest of the public. I guarantee there are concepts that are simple for hairdressers/business people/lawyers/meteorologists/etc to understand that many of us in medicine don't understand. Encouraging others (and ourselves) to be resourceful and fact-check things like this or like vaccinations is more productive than "raging". We all bring something unique to the table.

Also, while this post may seem unnecessarily serious, this topic is salient to me as I've recently seen many peers look down on people outside of medicine. We are not holier than thou and need to remember that everyone contributes something.

A lot of these people are educated white people with chronic selective factual disregard syndrome. I have people like this in my own family and I've tried to talk to them about this but it's often hopeless. They used to be engineers or whatever other irrelevant job they had, so they'll always know better than the people who have actually studied medicine. After all, they recently read in the newspaper how medication turns kids into zombies and ADD can be cured with yoga and quinoa.

 

[jowblow997]

A lot of these people are educated white people with chronic selective factual disregard syndrome. I have people like this in my own family and I've tried to talk to them about this but it's often hopeless. They used to be engineers or whatever other irrelevant job they had, so they'll always know better than the people who have actually studied medicine. After all, they recently read in the newspaper how medication turns kids into zombies and ADD can be cured with yoga and quinoa.

I understand where you're coming from. My point is offering our expertise/knowledge is more productive than being dismissive. If they choose to ignore what we say, the only thing we can do is continue to educate on a group level (e.g. posting articles on our own timeline about the benefits of vaccinating).

Also, with regards to your comment about home remedies - some important discoveries in medicine have come from patients accidentally finding that doing x improves y. They then report this to their health care provider who, if viligent, might make a novel discovery. 9.99/10 the home remedy is BS but you never know.

 

[B_52]

You resist the urge to "rage" by having empathy. In my experience, we in medicine are often out of touch with how much more we understand about medicine/science than the majority of the population. Instead of getting angry at these people for posting things like that, we should use it as an opportunity to educate. Even though it is so simple to us in the science world that the picture is completely inaccurate, it is not obvious to people outside of our bubble.

And I don't mean this in a condescending way nor am I trying to suggest that we are superior to the rest of the public. I guarantee there are concepts that are simple for hairdressers/business people/lawyers/meteorologists/etc to understand that many of us in medicine don't understand. Encouraging others (and ourselves) to be resourceful and fact-check things like this or like vaccinations is more productive than "raging". We all bring something unique to the table.

Also, while this post may seem unnecessarily serious, this topic is salient to me as I've recently seen many peers look down on people outside of medicine. We are not holier than thou and need to remember that everyone contributes something.

I agree somewhat, but have you ever tried to genuinely and politely educate someone like that over the internet? lol. I did once and it was a mistake. Endless notifications of hateful comments on top of the already present ignorance.

I would of course have empathy if she was a GED holder or had a rough education lacking background in poverty or something like that but in this case we're talking about a woman that grew up in at least a 600k home and started a college education. That's not worthy of empathy, youd have to really try to be ignorant with that much of a head start in life.

 

[sloop]

I understand where you're coming from. My point is offering our expertise/knowledge is more productive than being dismissive. If they choose to ignore what we say, the only thing we can do is continue to educate on a group level (e.g. posting articles on our own timeline about the benefits of vaccinating).

Also, with regards to your comment about home remedies - some important discoveries in medicine have come from patients accidentally finding that doing x improves y. They then report this to their health care provider who, if viligent, might make a novel discovery. 9.99/10 the home remedy is BS but you never know

I'm not quite getting it. Is your argument that because in extremely rare cases someone might incidentally stumble on something helpful, we should encourage random, unsupervised home treatments that are unsubstantiated by evidence?

 

[BusinessAndMedicine]

I see 4 atoms different e.g. 1 carbon and 3 hydrogens..

It's only 3 atoms different (3 additional atoms). One of the hydrogens moves to the methyl group:
The one on the right is NH2, the one on the left is NH-CH3

 

[LePepe]

It is kinda surprising to me that they're so similar, though

 

[jowblow997]

I'm not quite getting it. Is your argument that because in extremely rare cases someone might incidentally stumble on something helpful, we should encourage random, unsupervised home treatments hat are unsubstantiated by evidence?

Not at all, I never mentioned that we should encourage such behavior. All I'm saying is while most home remedies are inferior to modern medicine, it's important to listen to our patients and not just assume "home remedies = bad".

 

[Zywie]

ever since I blocked my facebook news feed I've found myself to be much less angry throughout the day. Not having to deal with the ignorance people I haven't talked to in ages spew on social media is a wonderful thing. I guess Ignorance is truly bliss

 

[sloop]

It is kinda surprising to me that they're so similar, though

Sure, they're in the same class of drugs. Look at the structures of morphine and heroin.

Critically important is the difference between using stimulants as directed by a physician at the lowest possible dose for therapeutic effect and mainlining speed, crashing your car and being brought to the nearest psych ED by police in the middle of your 36 hour bender.

 

[NotYou20]

It is kinda surprising to me that they're so similar, though

Did I wake up in a future where ochem isn't a prereq anymore?

 

[colbgw02]

"Ironic, isn't it Smithers. This anonymous clan of slack-jawed troglodytes has cost me the election, and yet if I were to have them killed, I would be the one to go to jail. That's democracy for you!"

-Mr. Burns

 

[Mad Jack]

A lot of these people are educated white people with chronic selective factual disregard syndrome. I have people like this in my own family and I've tried to talk to them about this but it's often hopeless. They used to be engineers or whatever other irrelevant job they had, so they'll always know better than the people who have actually studied medicine. After all, they recently read in the newspaper how medication turns kids into zombies and ADD can be cured with yoga and quinoa.

Medicine is just in the pocket of big pharma bro 🙄

 

[KungFuPanda123]

Did I wake up in a future where ochem isn't a prereq anymore?

I think that he's getting at the fact that it's interesting more so than it was mind-blowingly unknown to him before this incredibly eye-opening moment

 

[Mad Jack]

It is kinda surprising to me that they're so similar, though

Ethanol is really close to methanol, and water is really close to ethanol, so clearly, water is an almost-poison.

 

[NotYou20]

I think that he's getting at the fact that it's interesting more so than it was mind-blowingly unknown to him before this incredibly eye-opening moment

I'm just razzing him bro. I know what he's getting at

 

[intubesteak]

yeah and they said molecules instead of atoms lol

Was gonna save everyone the pain of reading the person's caption but here is what she posted with it: "No way i'm going to let some pill pushing doctor who is owned by big pharma companies get my son hooked into drug addiction"

Pretty sure the kid isn't vaccinated either. And she's ivy league educated... (edit: ivy league dropout, but still.)

Oh, I am 100% owned by Big Pharma. As a hungry pre-med I absolutely LIVED for lunch time with the drug reps. I had to sign my name on some papers and never read them...definitely worth it at the time. I will say that drug reps will need to up their game when I become a physician. Deli sandwiches and pasta is not gonna cut it anymore.

 

[wxman393]

Has anyone gotten their checks in the mail from Big Pharma? Or is it direct deposit?


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[Anti-PD1]

Oh, I am 100% owned by Big Pharma. As a hungry pre-med I absolutely LIVED for lunch time with the drug reps. I had to sign my name on some papers and never read them...definitely worth it at the time. I will say that drug reps will need to up their game when I become a physician. Deli sandwiches and pasta is not gonna cut it anymore.

Those reps can be hot. I don't care much for sandwiches.

 

[AlteredScale]

I didn't know a single methyl group was considered 3 molecules now.


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[Drrrrrr. Celty]

You fight it by being a doctor who your patients trust more than their anti-intellectuals group.

But overall there's really no denying that being stupid continues to be seen as some sort of accomplishment in this decade.

 

[Terry Toma]

Does anyone else feel something akin to rage when they see their facebook friends post things like this? How does one resist the urge to tell them that they should drink a bleach martini or read a book (whichever is less painful for them).

Provide them with a pic showing the structures of progesterone and testosterone. Hey, I might be giving my kid meth, but that birth control you're giving your daughter is trying to turn her into a dude!

 

[sovereign0]

House- "Sats are off by 1%, check her heart"
Foreman- "Within range, it's normal"
House- "If her DNA was off by 1%, she'd be a dolphin"

 

[Goro]

You can't fix stupid

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Does anyone else feel something akin to rage when they see their facebook friends post things like this? How does one resist the urge to tell them that they should drink a bleach martini or read a book (whichever is less painful for them).

 

[Goro]

And if you inhale large quantities of dihydrogen oxide, it can kill you!!

Ethanol is really close to methanol, and water is really close to ethanol, so clearly, water is an almost-poison.

 

[B_52]

And if you inhale large quantities of dihydrogen oxide, it can kill you!!

I heard that dihydrogen oxide can just spontaneously produce both acidic and basic corrosive ions at the same time just sitting there in a cup! So danger! Much worry!


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[CetiAlphaFive]

Does anyone else feel something akin to rage when they see their facebook friends post things like this? How does one resist the urge to tell them that they should drink a bleach martini or read a book (whichever is less painful for them).

Nobody tell them that Pseudoephedrine differs by an even smaller margin; the only difference is literally one hydroxide:

I bet the people posting the meme in the OP chug Zyrtec D on a daily basis. lol

 

[B_52]

Nobody tell them that Pseudoephedrine differs by an even smaller margin; the only difference is literally one hydroxide:

I bet the people posting the meme in the OP chug Zyrtec D on a daily basis. lol

Not to mention how much cheaper and easier it is to turn psuedo into meth by a simple Birch reduction vs. the more difficult and expensive N-methylation of adderal to get to meth (and it wouldn't even be worth it because Adderal is so tightly controled and valuable to sell as is on the street anyways). But really none of those subleties matter to a person like the guilty party because they already truly believe medical professionals want their patients to be addicted to medication (sick joke) and that pharma is an evil corporation that owns us all, but then the second they come down with a viral syndrome it's off to the urgent care to demand antibiotics. Where they get exposed to those sort of notions is beyond me.

 

[WingedOx]

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Does anyone else feel something akin to rage when they see their facebook friends post things like this? How does one resist the urge to tell them that they should drink a bleach martini or read a book (whichever is less painful for them).

Still not as dumb as when my friends from college post bad "Bernie would have won" memes.

/though tangentially related, I was wondering if @wingedscapula was aware that her old pal Gorski got into a twitter fight with William Shatner about vaccines tonight.

 

[B_52]

Still not as dumb as when my friends from college post bad "Bernie would have won" memes.

/though tangentially related, I was wondering if @wingedscapula was aware that her old pal Gorski got into a twitter fight with William Shatner about vaccines tonight.

I feel like I could be opening up a politically related troll attempt, but what are "Bernie would have won" memes?

 

[WingedOx]

I feel like I could be opening up a politically related troll attempt, but what are "Bernie would have won" memes?

Don't ask. You're better off not knowing.

 

[B_52]

Don't ask. You're better off not knowing.

That's probably correct considering how instantly irritated I was by reading into your other tangent that Shatner would post such ignorant garbage supporting the anti-vax movement, but his millions of followers would take that at face value much faster than the opinion of an actual expert lol