Publications with matching?

[mr.mkitty]

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I was looking at residency match data and noticed that for really any residency that's conisdered competitive, the matched students had a mean of 3 or more reseach experiences (obviously higher for things like ortho and derm).
What I was curious about was where do the students find the time to do these? Undergrad research experiences must be included in this number?
From my understanding, most medical students usually just do research between their first and second year. Is that true?

http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Charting-Outcomes-2014-Final.pdf

 

[mr.mkitty]

Anddd I posted the wrong title, should say "research experiences with matching."

 

[mistafab]

Pretty sure the pub number they post includes abstracts/posters. If you think about it and see that undergrad research counts, and that average matriculation age is older than straight from college, it makes a lot of sense that the numbers are that high.

 

[williameb23]

Pretty sure the pub number they post includes abstracts/posters. If you think about it and see that undergrad research counts, and that average matriculation age is older than straight from college, it makes a lot of sense that the numbers are that high.

Do publications prior to medical school actually make you more competitive for residency then?

 

[getdown]

take a year off between 2nd and 3rd year or just do it in your spare time in between rotations. If you're dedicated enough you'll find time. Would I do it? No. It's not worth my time.

 

[TBV]

Did one 8 week research project between M1 and M2. Got 2 pubs and a conference presentation out of it before M2 and now currently writing for a 3rd pub. Going into it I didn't think I'd get anything but if you're productive they sneak up and it becomes easy to inflate that number.

 

[Glandzburg]

If you pick the right project and work hard, your summer research between M1 and M2 can result in multiple publications.
Many schools offer a research rotation during 3rd year.
If you are feeling ambitious, you can ask some of the attendings during your clinical rotations if they have any interesting case reports you could write up. A recent graduate at my school got like 13 pubs and this was a big part of how she did it.
Lastly, those interested in pursuing a very competitive field sometimes take a year off solely for research.

 

[Glandzburg]

Also keep in mind that the type of research a lot of people do in medical school, clinical or translational research, requires a lot less time to produce publishable results than the bench research that many students do in college (usually).

 

[Optimus-Prime]

Also keep in mind that the type of research a lot of people do in medical school, clinical or translational research, requires a lot less time to produce publishable results than the bench research that many students do in college (usually).

2 years of basic science research at NIH = 1 presentation

9 months of clinical research = 5 abstracts, 1 pub

At least as far as retrospective clinical studies go it is substantially faster

 

[mistafab]

I was looking at residency match data and noticed that for really any residency that's conisdered competitive, the matched students had a mean of 3 or more reseach experiences (obviously higher for things like ortho and derm).
What I was curious about was where do the students find the time to do these? Undergrad research experiences must be included in this number?
From my understanding, most medical students usually just do research between their first and second year. Is that true?

http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Charting-Outcomes-2014-Final.pdf

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Also OP - You've just been accepted! Take a month or two more to enjoy that and breath that deliciousness in before you start worrying about the match lol

 

[bearintraining]

I still do not see an answer to one of the questions posed by the OP: Do pre-med abstracts/posters/publications count in the numbers reported by ERAS/NRMP?

 

[mistafab]

I still do not see an answer to one of the questions posed by the OP: Do pre-med abstracts/posters/publications count in the numbers reported by ERAS/NRMP?

To directly answer - here is a quote from the SAP Crystal Reports:

Applicants were asked to list the number of abstracts, presentations and publications they reported in their ERAS applications. This information is self-reported and may include peer-reviewed articles, abstracts, poster sessions, and invited national or regional presentations. Some residency programs may independently verify and even review publications for applicants in whom they have an interest, but most probably do not. Many applicants report abstracts, presentations, or publications, sometimes dozens or even hundreds. In the individual specialty sections, we distinguish between no publications, 1 to 5 publications, and more than 5 publications. Chart 9 shows the average number of publications by applicant type, preferred specialty, and Match outcome. U.S. seniors averaged 4.2 publications with 77.3 percent reporting at least one publication. Independent applicants reported, on average, slightly fewer publications (3.9); however, a smaller percentage (61.8%) listed any publications. For competitive specialties such as Dermatology, Neurological Surgery, Orthopaedic Surgery, Otolaryngology, and Plastic Surgery, independent applicants reported considerably more publications than U.S. seniors, but the same was not true for less competitive specialties like Family Medicine and Pediatrics

This makes no distinction between WHEN or WHERE these abstracts, presentations, or publications were made. You can count any of these events from your life if you wanted to, not sure anyone would care though.

How can someone have 5-15 of these? It seems very easy to do. You can pump out abstracts/posters, and presentations very easily as those above have said. Publications are moderately difficult, depending on your field, team you work with, and patience/planning.

Edit: Notice the line above that says "Many applicants report abstracts, presentations, or publications, sometimes dozens or even hundreds." Non-trads definitely would bring the average up if they were PhD or other academic type before medicine.

 

[piii]

Do publications prior to medical school actually make you more competitive for residency then?

Yes

 

[bearintraining]

To directly answer - here is a quote from the SAP Crystal Reports:

Applicants were asked to list the number of abstracts, presentations and publications they reported in their ERAS applications. This information is self-reported and may include peer-reviewed articles, abstracts, poster sessions, and invited national or regional presentations. Some residency programs may independently verify and even review publications for applicants in whom they have an interest, but most probably do not. Many applicants report abstracts, presentations, or publications, sometimes dozens or even hundreds. In the individual specialty sections, we distinguish between no publications, 1 to 5 publications, and more than 5 publications. Chart 9 shows the average number of publications by applicant type, preferred specialty, and Match outcome. U.S. seniors averaged 4.2 publications with 77.3 percent reporting at least one publication. Independent applicants reported, on average, slightly fewer publications (3.9); however, a smaller percentage (61.8%) listed any publications. For competitive specialties such as Dermatology, Neurological Surgery, Orthopaedic Surgery, Otolaryngology, and Plastic Surgery, independent applicants reported considerably more publications than U.S. seniors, but the same was not true for less competitive specialties like Family Medicine and Pediatrics

This makes no distinction between WHEN or WHERE these abstracts, presentations, or publications were made. You can count any of these events from your life if you wanted to, not sure anyone would care though.

How can someone have 5-15 of these? It seems very easy to do. You can pump out abstracts/posters, and presentations very easily as those above have said. Publications are moderately difficult, depending on your field, team you work with, and patience/planning.

Edit: Notice the line above that says "Many applicants report abstracts, presentations, or publications, sometimes dozens or even hundreds." Non-trads definitely would bring the average up if they were PhD or other academic type before medicine.

Makes sense. Thanks for the info. And yeah you're right. Just counting pubs without talks or posters or abstracts would put me at 7, with 2 in the pipeline.