Regarding the similarities between osteopathy and chiropractic: "Now that is really odd statement to make if you want to deny the similarity between the two because A.T Still was also pretty into hydropathy, diet, bonesetting, and magnetic healing." [sic] The author references Wikipedia for this claim, where the page states, "Still investigated alternative treatments, such as hydropathy, diet, bonesetting, and magnetic healing." So she villainizes Still for investigating various treatment modalities of his day, including (God forbid) diet! I'm no fan of the woo-woo in osteopathy - particularly the BS like this and cranial - but come on. Still was dead before Chapman even started talking about his magic points.Quackery in Medical School: Chapman Points
If you want to become a physician in the United States, you have two educational routes available to you: osteopathic and vanilla medical schools. Osteopathic medical school graduates earn a Doctor ofsciencebasedmedicine.org
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as Mark Crislip put it, OMM “is the price they pay to obtain an otherwise standard medical educationQuackery in Medical School: Chapman Points
If you want to become a physician in the United States, you have two educational routes available to you: osteopathic and vanilla medical schools. Osteopathic medical school graduates earn a Doctor ofsciencebasedmedicine.org
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First person I thought about was you, goro. I half expected that link to go straight to a comment of yours.
Luckily at my school we don't have an OMM rotation.
For now, at least. We used to have NBME shelf exams for all rotations but FM, then that changed without warning. This could too.
At your school, is it an outright OMM rotation or do they try to dress it up as FM/OMM?
Oof, you have my condolences.
Campbell
Alternatively titled, “I have my MD acceptance already” or “How to burn backup bridges with aplomb”Quackery in Medical School: Chapman Points
If you want to become a physician in the United States, you have two educational routes available to you: osteopathic and vanilla medical schools. Osteopathic medical school graduates earn a Doctor ofsciencebasedmedicine.org
Discuss!
"Just close your eyes and think of England".
Can you please share this info with every DO school in the country somehow? Do schools actually google their candidates before extending interviews?
I would immediately ask for a new doctor if one ever actually did this to me.
Yes, actually, they do. A kid had his acceptance to ACOM rescinded for inflammatory and racist post on social media. There's another thread about social media in pre-MD..look for gonnif's comments in it.
It's a waste of time and resources to check people prior to interview. Due diligence is only done after acceptance.
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Ooohhh! Can you share? If so, PM me please!
Not going to lie, was in an Ophthalmology clinic with a patient that had a retinal detachment. I felt for that point but alas, 'twas not there. A friend asked me if I told my MD preceptor, to which I responded, "no, I want her to respect me as a person."
I PM'd you
OK. I am a retired DO surgeon, wounded in Iraq...ret. 2010 forced out due to injuries
OSTEOPATHY is both pos/neg: (sorry so long winded
POS:
1. You learn to look at the whole person. I was always finding lesions 'under the shirt' etc etc on ER patients no one else bothered to look at due to a complaint of something else. It would be the CAUSE of the fever etc...So, we learn to do a thorough exam on EVERY patient. It is a good thing and I was never ever sued--I credit that to this thorough (anal!)H&P we learn.
2. You see how systems inter-relate one to another. How you use it in your practice varies widely.
3. You learn manipulation. Some of us are really GOOD w/our hands/touch etc. some are NOT--and they can do a lot of damage tsk taking and not taking it seriously. We had several students pueking from Cranial applied this way--needed to be 'put back together' by Instructors. That taught everyone to take it seriously--EVEN IF YOU NEVER USE IT, do No Harm!
CONS:
1. There are some older grad DOs who never do actual MEDICINE, only do manipulation, and are clueless about how to treat with any type of pharmacology, even lab work. They MISS major disease processes doing 'Fu-Fu' crystals, candles, incense and BULL and make the rest of us look bad.
2. DOs will never be equal with MD degrees because there are too FEW of us, the public thinks we are like the English DOs who are NOT equally educated with MD degree students. The 'old fart' Boards for Osteopathy are too old to get anything DONE. They refuse to merge with the MD--as they'd lose their $$$ jobs.
To Al Med School Students: The 'new Biology' includes Quantum mechanics, particle physics/string theory etc that shows the immunological, endocrine and nervous systems work as a whole--like a NETWORK. Just as the dark matter and entanglement theories show in physics. There are crossover neuropeptides and other ligands that come from cells all over the body--not just the brain, as is taught STILL. BUT, med school STILL teaches all of this in the old paradigm of separate systems. Read The Molecules of Emotion by Candace Pert--the Phd who discovered the opiod receptor as a mere grad student back in the 90s. SHE proved in her career the MIND BODY network by finding peptides all over the body we thought ONLY existed in the brain, and that EMOTIONS caused a cascade of release ... Yet Medicine-osteo/ allopathic will not look at all this new info and incorporate it into PRACTICE and Teaching! Read her book and DO!!!
Caveat: No matter DO or MD--use this new info and SEE the whole person. Your diagnostic skills will catapult you above your peers because of it.
I would have told him to email me those peer reviewed journal articles.
