hey, thank you 😀 although I kinda know that bit of it, but thanks anyway
Ouch, that pinched me real hard. Also in India the offer mbbs, and as you said, usmle destroyed them xD I'm kinda confused if the two courses produce different qualities of doctors. If anyone could help with a more concrete basis on the different, it'll be very helpful.
It is hard for us to directly compare an Indian MBBS program to a US MD program because it is rare for someone to have entered both programs and have directly experienced the difference between the two. Also, I am only speaking from external knowledge. If you can find someone who is an MBBS graduate who practices in the US or someone who did an MBBS program followed by a US MD program, then their input will be much more valuable to you.
Hahaha yes, true that. But unfortunately I am not acquainted to any such person. Hard luck xD
In the US, most ortho residencies are 5 yrs... so, in total, 4(undergrad)+4(medical school)+5(residency)+/-1(fellowship) = 13-14 years post-high-school. So yes, it sounds like training in the US is far more comprehensive and standardized than the current programs in India.
Not me.I wonder who thinks getting a bachelor's degree in America a waste of 4 years?
Well yes but the M.D. he/she is speaking of is doctor of medicine, it's different from the M.D.the US offers,which makes you a physician only
Yes, it is kinda important to do post grad in India because a physician earns very little (almost). So getting specialised in a field is the only way to earn more . Also was it easy to clear the licencing exams there ? thank you 😀
Yes, @johnamo attached a link which said the same. But we'll I can't do something about it, the government is slow too😛
Yes, @johnamo attached a link which said the same. I don't think much can be done as of now, also the government is slow. And as they say clearing the usmle is tough , so studying in the U.S. after becoming a physician's going to be difficult
Board ceritficatuon? I'm sorry I'm new to the terminology 😛 but M.D. in India is like becoming an orthopedic surgron. Like what you would do in your post grad after becoming a physician
I think so too, if the undergrad in the U.S. is really worth the 4 years you give away
Hahaha English is fine. But it's the matter in the subject that I'm worried about. As in are we mbbs students behind the M.D.s as docs
You do realize that usmle is given in the english format, right? Their questions and critical reasoning are geared towards how we are taught to tackle exams. If you want to compare english countries like Britain with their mbbs and ability to take usmle then I say fine. Comparison with some other country like India might not be so resounding just because we don't know if language barrier is something of a problem with these exams.
hard luck? I used to have a primary care doc that did MBBS in India and did her residency at a top 10 school with probably great usmle scores. The residency she matched into at the time was competitive. I don't know what experience you have but I'm sure she must have jumped hoops through and through to not only become a professor but also currently run >2 clinics.
sorry man if that came across harsh but the reality is that as you go through life, you come to learn that underestimating people will only put you at a disadvantage. If people are able to do their best despite the route they pick, it should serve as inspiration. We have standardized exams, practicals, eventual residencies to weed the folks that don't cut out (whether that is considering an MD/DO/MBBS). I don't think that a country where MBBS is offered that their graduates would have the resources to do MD when that degree is offered only to the most specialized. Likewise the reason why we choose MD here in the US- because we have the priviledge to. I think that if an MBBS can justify their training, then I genuinely would look up to them the same I would for an MD/DO.
I am saying that people don't often see MBBS as an equal degree to an MD/DO. But what are you talking about with this "habilitation" thing? That isn't even as common as the situation described here. Also, not a lot of MBBS students will go on to do doctor of medicine in countries where this is offered. It is the mindset here that the more specialized we become by pursuing higher degrees, the better- but that is not the rule overseas. Not really understanding why you are repeating the justification of an MBBS being somewhat the same as MD/DO. Unlike MBBS, MD/DO have longer residencies that need to be fulfilled- thereafter they are not the same exactly. The thesis thing you mentioned really doesn't equivalize to a residency, I would think it more as a fellowship. Still US MD/DOs go through longer and more specialized training. Anyways, despite that, it depends on the person and how perseverent they are of going further. With technology nowadays, you can find state of the art equipment in countries even such as the one OP mentioned. There is no reason to think they need to go outside to study unless it is a recent technique/specialty that they cannot have training for in their country which I'd need an example.
My colleagues in the UK have clarified this for me. The years in residency were extended to accommodate the stringent reduction in duty hours. In other words, they take twice a long to acquire the minimum amount of experience. A 30 hour work week is insufficient to learn enough technique to begin practice in 4 or 5 years.
