Question about Banned School list....

[dotdoc]

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I been reading a lot on this board about some schools being banned in some states and I have some questions in regards to this.

1)If school is banned in specific state dose it mean I can never practice in that state or I just cant do residency in that state?

2)If school is banned in one state is it automatically banned in some other states?

3)If school is not on the banned list dose it mean its no problem and I can practice in that state and do residency?

4)Now I know banned schools list exist but is there anything such as approved school list? and if yes what happens if school is not on banned list but is also not on approved list?

5)Where can I see banned schools list?

 

[IMbound]

If the med school is on the state's list of undesirable schools, I don't believe you can do residency or get licensed in that state. For residency, you will need to apply for a temporary residency permit and to apply for this, your school should not be banned. This does not mean you can't do residencies in other states, each state will keep their own list. You can find these lists on each state board of health website, once there, navigate to medical licensing then requirements and you should be able to find lists of banned schools. Hope this helps.

 

[oldpro]

I been reading a lot on this board about some schools being banned in some states and I have some questions in regards to this.

1)If school is banned in specific state dose it mean I can never practice in that state or I just cant do residency in that state?

2)If school is banned in one state is it automatically banned in some other states?

3)If school is not on the banned list dose it mean its no problem and I can practice in that state and do residency?

4)Now I know banned schools list exist but is there anything such as approved school list? and if yes what happens if school is not on banned list but is also not on approved list?

5)Where can I see banned schools list?

Okay:

To answer the first few QUestions no, You will not be able to practice, be Licensed, do clinicals nor do a Residency in that state. Electives maybe?
Once they have listed the school as Unapproved / Banned, thats why I think it's such a big deal when one state does it? But 5 or more to me is a message.

Approved lists, in California your school must be on the list to do anything in that state, they have said over and over they will not consider a grad from a FMG school not on the list. Other states are different, NY has a list for clinicals not license so any school grad not unapproved by them can apply if they followed the rules (all green book clinicals) TX same thing follow the rules, Mostly FMG's are considered on a case by case basis even if a state uses the California list then there is still a chance they may consider the Application but that is probably less thga 50% that they will approve so I wouldn't risk it.

 

[cooldreams]

california accepts students for Saddam University Saddam Medical school. now whether that school even exists or not remains to be seen, however students are apparently more than well to do open heart surgery in california.

some states USED to follow the cali list. these include indian and new mexico.

with the recent FSMB recommendations, these states have gone to a case by case decision.

the only other state that follows cali is texas and they still do. if you are on the banned list in cali, you cannot get licensed or do clinicals or do residency there. which means you are forced to go to a different state and earn much more money than you would have if you were in cali...

 

[stephew]

one of the most misleading lists...ever.

there is not such thing as a "banned" school. Only scholls that you cannot get licensed ina state for. And its not jsut semantics. MAny good offshore schools have been on "banned" lists though the candidates have been perfectly leigible for licensure in said state. Ignore "banned school" lists. Look at eligibility for meaningful comment into your ability to practice. for meaningful commentary on what is a quality school, well that's more difficult. you can practice from poor schools and not get licensed from good schools.

It requires leg work on your part.

I been reading a lot on this board about some schools being banned in some states and I have some questions in regards to this.

1)If school is banned in specific state dose it mean I can never practice in that state or I just cant do residency in that state?

2)If school is banned in one state is it automatically banned in some other states?

3)If school is not on the banned list dose it mean its no problem and I can practice in that state and do residency?

4)Now I know banned schools list exist but is there anything such as approved school list? and if yes what happens if school is not on banned list but is also not on approved list?

5)Where can I see banned schools list?

 

[oldpro]

one of the most misleading lists...ever.

there is not such thing as a "banned" school. Only scholls that you cannot get licensed ina state for. And its not jsut semantics. MAny good offshore schools have been on "banned" lists though the candidates have been perfectly leigible for licensure in said state. Ignore "banned school" lists. Look at eligibility for meaningful comment into your ability to practice. for meaningful commentary on what is a quality school, well that's more difficult. you can practice from poor schools and not get licensed from good schools.

It requires leg work on your part.

I have to disagree with some of what you say here, A school that a State has listed as Unapproved, Taken the time and effort to put them on a list does mean something, you are suggesting that some on spend $200,000 on an education that in the end a state they hope to practice in they will be turned down. Who are these "Many good schools?" As far as I can see none of the big 4 are on a unapproved list, the only school that has made such lists is SMU and how can you call it a "good school?" it is a newer school of the bunch, California will not approve them, they took the time end energy to go and evaluate the standards, where the other 4 schools were able to pass the standards, standards is a big thing,

I really cannot believe this post is makes no sense, common sense even tells you to go to a school that has not been unapproved by a lot of states for a more secure future.

 

[stephew]

i am not suggesting anyone spend a dime on a problematic school. If you re-read what I wrote, you'll see i was talking about licensure which is the issue. the problem with the "banned" school notion is that even perfectly good schools that ARE eligible for licensure in a given state are on the "banned" list. While there is no such things as a "big four" i know that these typically include ross, auc, sgu and saba. and yes they WERE on a "banned" list, which is exactly my point. Yet there is no ban for these schools. That's the problem with it. Please reread my post.

I dont think we're in any disagreement other than you misunderstood my point that the "banned" list is problematic. There are better assessments of the quality and viability of a school than that particular list.

Perhaps it would be better to post the "banned list" and its source (the hartford courant?) rather than debate the value of various lists without knowing exactly where the OP culled them from.

The courant did some info on this in 2004. This is the only "banned" list I heard of and what im basing my comments on. It also had a little map with several perfectly good schools listed as "banned" that were not in fact banned by any offical body.

(BTW the AAIMG bothered to put a list together and it was not any sort of official organization. a good exaple of how a nice web site and legalese will convince people of authority)

I have to disagree with some of what you say here, A school that a State has listed as Unapproved, Taken the time and effort to put them on a list does mean something, you are suggesting that some on spend $200,000 on an education that in the end a state they hope to practice in they will be turned down. Who are these "Many good schools?" As far as I can see none of the big 4 are on a unapproved list, the only school that has made such lists is SMU and how can you call it a "good school?" it is a newer school of the bunch, California will not approve them, they took the time end energy to go and evaluate the standards, where the other 4 schools were able to pass the standards, standards is a big thing,

I really cannot believe this post is makes no sense, common sense even tells you to go to a school that has not been unapproved by a lot of states for a more secure future.

 

[oldpro]

i am not suggesting anyone spend a dime on a problematic school. If you re-read what I wrote, you'll see i was talking about licensure which is the issue. the problem with the "banned" school notion is that even perfectly good schools that ARE eligible for licensure in a given state are on the "banned" list. While there is no such things as a "big four" i know that these typically include ross, auc, sgu and saba. and yes they WERE on a "banned" list, which is exactly my point. Yet there is no ban for these schools. That's the problem with it. Please reread my post.

I dont think we're in any disagreement other than you misunderstood my point that the "banned" list is problematic. There are better assessments of the quality and viability of a school than that particular list.

Perhaps it would be better to post the "banned list" and its source (the hartford courant?) rather than debate the value of various lists without knowing exactly where the OP culled them from.

The courant did some info on this in 2004. This is the only "banned" list I heard of and what im basing my comments on. It also had a little map with several perfectly good schools listed as "banned" that were not in fact banned by any offical body.

(BTW the AAIMG bothered to put a list together and it was not any sort of official organization. a good exaple of how a nice web site and legalese will convince people of authority)

Many the posters on VMD will say a problem school is one not approved by California, NY and Fl. I think this is bunk and in no way the measure of how good or bad a school is, this is my opinion though, I can only base it on emails and PM's from friends at other schools, attending my school and putting it altogether, I have found for instance that my Medschool seems to follow a curriculum very close to some US schools, so close that at times we are studying the same material to the letter like out of Robbins, to me that is proving that my schools curriculum is comparable to some US schools. Now I cannot say as far as testing I have not taken tests at a US medschool but My professors do use qbank questions throught the exams and it is on the material taught so I would think it is adequate.

 

[kwill]

i will not encourage anybody to attend an unaproved school. But i will not say a school that is disapproved in a particular state is a bad school. For example, take UTESA medical school, in 1985 it was on the CA list of disaproved schools, but in 1986 it was approved by the state of Indiana. in 1997 disapproval reaffirmed. I didn't read the CA report about UTESA, i don't know why the school was disapproved. If there was something wrong with the school, IN would have put UTESA on the disapproved list. If you check the indiana MB webside, you will see the school still on the approved list. Whould you say it's a bad/good school?
Also SABA is a good school, approved by CA. Why Indiana put SABA on "the questionable schools"?

 

[///M5]

Okay:



Other states are different, NY has a list for clinicals not license so any school grad not unapproved by them can apply if they followed the rules (all green book clinicals)

can you please explain?

and which are the big 4

 

[oldpro]

can you please explain?

and which are the big 4

AUC ROSS SGU and SABA these schools have California approval hence Big 4

 

[Doc-Hollywood]

All banned Schools, should be on your banned list


avoid them at all costs

 

[Doc-Hollywood]

a problem school is one not approved by California, NY and Fl. I think this is bunk and in no way the measure of how good or bad a school is

Yes it is Bunk, until you want to do or are offered a residency or a fellowship, or have a really hot job offer in one of those states where your degree precludes you from licensure and you are SOL.
Yes it is bunk unless other states ( given the recent flood of caribbean graduates from these semi-solvent Off-shore schools ) , change their licensure policy to be more in-line with the larger states and eliminate your school from consideration, or add it to some unapproved list

Look at those fools that were dumb enough to attend that phoney university in Luton, England! They thought the whole California/New York standard was bunk too, and look where it got them. The road is littered with the putrifying carcases of careers of students that tried to take shortcuts and attend unapproved schools, or new schools with lots of glossy promises that took their money and ran


I just don't think it's smart for people to go to a medical school that limits their career.
The whole licensure issue for off-shore graduates is in a state of flux, with so many new schools producing graduates. Competition for the US residency pool is increasing and becoming far more competative and will continue to do so. A graduate will need every possible advantage
I would refrain from taking advice from anybody that isn't even licensed to practice medicine, or is still on an island, because they have no clue