question about credit report and admission decision

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Does anyone know if any schools considor your credit history in making their admissions decisions. With all the talk of employers using credit reports in determining employment, I had wondered if anyone knew of schools doing the same. I was layed off from my job last year and after paying tuition/rent/other stuff and working only minimally I have quite a bit of debt that just isn't going to get paid off. Anyhow, that's life. I appreciate if anyone knows anything about this.


Thank You,

phaeton_1
 
You mean you owe a lot or you're just not going to bother to pay it off?
 
I mean I owe a lot (relatively speaking, though not much in the big picture (about $8,000) and that I can't aford to pay it off. My credit is screwed and I figur I'll just let it ride, and by the time I graduate med school and residency I will be paying back $250,000 in loans anyway, building buku credit, so it won't matter in 10 years anyway. I just can't afford to pay it now because I made the decision that school would be my full time job, and I work 2 part times, but those don't pay much, so I just won't pay it back. Anyhow, just wanted to know how this will effect their decision, and if anyone has comments on whether credit should be a factor, for employment or school, feel free to post. I just wanted to know if schools look at this now. Thanks.
 
To answer your original question, whether med schools look at credit, I don't know. I am not clear how you plan to get $250,000 in loans with bad credit. You might qualify for some need-based aid, but chances are good that you will have to get at least some credit-based loans. Whether med schools SHOULD look is another question--to say the least, it's unethical to rack up $8000 in bills and decide not to bother paying it off. If your jobs don't pay well, get new jobs. You are better off making a good-faith effort to pay your debt than just deciding, oh, the hell with it ...
 
Some schools do look at your credit but very few. However, just not paying your debts does not mean they just go away. Your creditors won't just say 'Oh well, he didn't pay..' This will be on your credit report until you it is repaid, you settle for a different amount, or you die. Try and use one of the consumer counseling services to help you settle with your creditors and to setup some sort of payment plan.

Building up $250,000 in debt does not improve your credit anyway.
 
I think that eligiblity for subsized Federal Stafford loans is not determined by the holder's credit rating. However, I do believe that most institional aid, including Federal Perkins loans, is contigent upon a satisfactory credit rating. Since I think that Federal Stafford loan monies do not exceed $8,500 for the *first* year of professional school, I think it would be a good idea to take steps to ameliorate your credit rating.

BTW phaeton - I'm probably wrong, but I thought it's $38,500 for all years, except the *first*, which has a max of $8,500.
 
Thank you for answering my question regarding schools actually checking. Actually the Stafford limit is $38,500 each year, so getting a loan for school is not a problem. And I didn't ask for someone to evaluate the ethics of not paying my debt. I have made a good faith effort and now, after falling months behind and taking a prgamatic approach to my finances, I have decided not to pay exhorbinant fees for the privelage of getting to keep paying them. I agree that deliberately racking up charges and not paying is unethical, but I don't think you would consider people who file bankruptcy unethical would you? Many decent people fall behind and it is an unfortunant situation, believe me, I have shelled out over a $1000 to try and pay and my balances haven't changed. I said explicitly that education is my priority over working to pay these debts, and if you think that is unethical I am sorry, it is a decision I made long ago. And mpp I am well aware of the financial ramifications of my decision, and have thought extensively about what I plan on doing. I understand fully how the credit system works and what is entailed, and I was stating that in 7- 10 years, when these debts have been written off as bad debts, yes they already said they'd do that, and I have succesfully completed repayment of some of my massive loans, that my credit would not be that bad, in 10 years. Anyhow, thanks for the advice.
 
take this for what its worth----

a friend of mine who is in p.a. school told me that if a school checks ur credit, and you have bad credit , its really a point off, because it speaks to your responsibility and ability to make secure and sound desisions.

having bad credit is a major no no in todays world.....in every aspect of your life, so if i were in your position, id really try to make contact with those creditors and work out a reasonable pay-back shchedule that you can afford, most creditors at a certain point figure ANYTHING is better than NOTHING and it would really put a positive spin on your horrible credit rating if u can tell an adcom or financial office that you have made arrangements to start responsibly paying back ur debt!

sorry..dont mean to sound all judgmental, but ive seen people with bad credit who really have a hard time when it comes to anything that requires backround checks/approvals or loans etc..
 
I agree with you fitnessmodelMD. That is why I asked whether schools checked and if so how many (what %). It is a major no no and it is getting even worse. I just felt a nedd to defend my situation and clarify that I am not someone who doesn't live up to their responsibilities. I deem my integrity to be the most important thing I have. I simply resent the seemingly condescending attitude that someone who has messed up is somehow a bad person. And yes, I have tried and continue to try to actually pay this and deal with it, but there is only so much I can do. I just wished someone would actually tell me of any schools they know ask for a credit report. I don't think many do, but I would like to know. I haven't run into any problems yet, and I am currently transfering undergrad schools, so it probably won't pose a problem academically. Anyhow, I didn't just give, and am currently evaluating declaring bankruptcy and am in talks with my creditors. It's not like I chose not to pay and I am hording s***loads of cash in the bank, I am just struggling and have been for a while. It is easy for someone to say get another job, but I support myself and that is noones place. It is ok to say whether people should live up to their responsibilities, as this is a social/philosophical issue, but I don't think that I should be accused of this without all the facts. I simply want to know if any schools check. Thank You.
 
Credit cards have one interest in mind. That is to benefit themselves. Not all of us come from rich families that can afford everything we need to simply survive in society. Especially with a heavy school workload. School comes first. Your education is the top priority. When you can pay it off it is good. But focus of your schooling! In the end the world will be a better place with another doctor in the world rather than a drop out that worked ten years at minimum wage to pay off his debt. While once you do become a doctor you will easily be able to pay that debt off.
Its the big picture here people!

Some of use are coming from harder circumstances!
 
Originally posted by phaeton_1
And mpp I am well aware of the financial ramifications of my decision, and have thought extensively about what I plan on doing. I understand fully how the credit system works and what is entailed, and I was stating that in 7- 10 years, when these debts have been written off as bad debts, yes they already said they'd do that, and I have succesfully completed repayment of some of my massive loans, that my credit would not be that bad, in 10 years. Anyhow, thanks for the advice.

I think it maybe also helpful for students to look at the salaries for pgy1-8. I don't know that financial problems are remedied soon after getting the MD. In fact, I believe they may be just beginning. I think that some students may be inclined to underestimate the length of a loan repayment period, while also overestimating their anticipated income. In some cases, I think even the income after completing postgraduate training varies considerably. I do think that with motivation you can overcome the financial hurdles..I'm just suggesting that there may still be some hurdles during your residency and beyond. Best Wishes!
 
I didn't realize that you could just stop paying debts without declaring bankruptcy. Can't your creditors reposses whatever you own? Is there a difference between having things written off as "bad debts" and declaring bankruptcy?

Also, is it true that bankruptcy disappears from your credit report after 10 years?
 
Originally posted by phaeton_1
I agree with you fitnessmodelMD. That is why I asked whether schools checked and if so how many (what %). It is a major no no and it is getting even worse. I just felt a nedd to defend my situation and clarify that I am not someone who doesn't live up to their responsibilities..(edited).. I simply resent the seemingly condescending attitude that someone who has messed up is somehow a bad person. And yes, I have tried and continue to try to actually pay this and deal with it, but there is only so much I can do...(edited)... It is ok to say whether people should live up to their responsibilities, as this is a social/philosophical issue, but I don't think that I should be accused of this without all the facts.

I certainly wasnt trying to sound condescending, so please dont take my post as a personal attack! 🙂

i was just trying to shed some reality light on how important credit can be, and i agree that the VAST majority of med.schools probably wont ever check ur credit report, its not unimaginable that a school would want to check it out and see just how u deal with ur finances, as that can be very telling of the type of person someone is.

and that other guy who posted saying "we arent all born rich...etc.", i disagree, u made it sound like people run their credit cards up buying things they need and that usually is NOT the case! If you cant handle paying it off, then DONT BUY IT!! (words to live by)
 
Originally posted by owen_osh
Also, is it true that bankruptcy disappears from your credit report after 10 years?

A bankruptcy can disappear from your credit report after 10 years. However, many credit applications will directly ask you "Have you ever filed for bankruptcy?" You can always lie and say 'no' but I feel like they have their own ways of finding these things out.
 
Phaeton - Judgments and bankruptcies are reported for 10 years, charged-off consumer debt is reported for 7 years. It may not be worth it to declare bankruptcy for $8000 of consumer debt - talk to a personal tax accountant who has seen some clients go through bankruptcy (it will be less expensive than retaining an attorney who specializes in bankruptcy). If you do declare bankruptcy, it may be assumed that you did it to absolve yourself of far more than $8000, because most people in bankruptcy owe far more, and amounts are not always listed along with bankruptcies or judgments on a credit report.

I was under the impression that most medical schools do not have the time or motivation to run credit investigations on students. If your consumer accounts are already in charge-off status, they will be off your record by the time you finish residency. imo, readers should not be passing moral judgment on you for writing off $8000. The lesson is not to let this happen again (and I'm pretty sure u realize it already).
 
FitnessModelMD--I'm pretty sure phaeton_1 was referring to me.

When people default on their loans, it becomes more difficult for all of us to get credit. I've been stuck under a mountain of bills before. Debt sucks. It would have been nice to just let it go, but I paid it off. I'm entitled to my opinion on the matter, and no one else has to agree with me or even care what I think.

You may well be a responsible person with high integrity, phaeton_1, and certainly more goes into that than just a credit report. You're right that messing up doesn't make you a bad person, but deciding not to fix it DOES raise questions about your integrity, whether you like it or not. You said originally that you're letting it go, but more recently you said you're trying to deal with it. If so, great, I wish you luck.
 
Originally posted by phaeton_1
Thank you for answering my question regarding schools actually checking. Actually the Stafford limit is $38,500 each year, so getting a loan for school is not a problem.

It's $8500, for subsidized Stafford loans, and up to $38,500/year total with unsubsidized. If you're going to be borrowing above this amount though (and if you go to a private school, chances are you will), your credit rating will hurt you if you want to get institutional loans or other private loans. Just something to think about. I can't think of anything worse than working so hard to get into med school and then not being able to go when you want to because your credit's messed up.

And btw, the amount of debt you have does not necessarily effect your credit rating, if you're good about paying at least the minimums on time. I have buku debt from my undergraduate years, including private loans, consumer debts, and educational debts (phaeton, I don't know if you included everything when you quoted your figure, but if so I'm WAAAYY ahead of you in the debt department) but a very very good credit report. Yes, I won't be able to pay them off immediately, but the good faith efforts I make and the fact that I'm never late on a payment keeps my score way up there.

Phaeton, I know I don't know what your exact situation is, but I don't think it's a good idea to just "let it ride." It sounds like you're doing everything you can to get back on track though, so good luck! Just wanted to remind everyone that it is still possible to maintain a good credit rating with a lot of debt.
 
And sorry Phaeton, I don't know which schools look at credit reports for admissions--very few if any, I would think. But I think it's fair to say that all schools will look at a credit report once you're in and dealing with financial aid.
 
okay another thing to consider if part of this credit card debt is cutting a deal with the credit card company. Sometimes things happen. And often credit card companies will cut a deal with you. For example, your limit on the card is 2000 dollars. but the balance is 2700. All of it fees. YOu pay 500.00 from your tax return or your next student loan dispersement and the credit card company knocks off 400.00. and wallaw you are now 200.00 under the credit limit no longer collecting 50.00 to 70.00 dollars a month in fees. Now the trick is to make the minimum payments from here on out. Even if it means going to the food bank. The worst thing you can do is not answer the phone when they call. Second you need to call them and check up on your accounts and make sure they follow their part of the deal. Always get the name of the person or their id # that you talk to.
Things happen. Credit card companies know that. Yes they want their money, but they would rather not have it go into collection. You have to be proactive. And with the economic troubles our country is facing companies are being somewhat more leniant with clients who will work with them and not dodge. This info comes from people I know that work with some of the bigger companies. Good luck they are tough decisions to make.
 
Thank You evescadeceus, yes I am aware that bad debts are off in 7 years, which is why I had pretty much decided that option. I realize my debt is really not that great and that the point is not to let it happen again. To answer your question owen_osh, no they can't just reposess all you stuff, though they definitely will threaten you (credit card, not mortgage or car loan of course) and there is a difference. After not paying for a while and not being able to work out a plan (I've tried), they will write off your bad debt. And yes fitnessmodelMD, I was refering to VienneseWaltz, not you. And it's not like I haven't tried att all, but now I am struggling, and have been, and I have no extra money, and when I do make some, I plan on putting it away for this extremely expensive process of applying to schools. I am still trying to figure out how to get the thousands that's gonna cost. And I don't and never will use that I wasn't born rich as an excuse, you are right, most people do buy stuff they don't need and then not pay, and some of my stuff, in addition to tuition and rent, was that stuff. But we all have to learn right. Anyhow, Thank you for your advice everyone, many of you have pretty insightful comments.
 
Just a note of caution- during the financial aid meeting at one of my interviews (public top 30 school) we were told that in the future schools would probably withdraw offers of acceptance if applicants weren't creditworthy and couldn't demonstrate other means to pay. By the way, when I did a routine credit check prior to applying I found very bad incorrect info on my credit report and it was a PAIN to get straightened out. Check your credit report, and be prepared for an epic adventure in BS if there's a mistake. (check long before applying!)
 
FWIW, Throwing my two nickels here (that darn inflation)...

I don't believe schools necessarily use credit reporting in admissions decisions, but typically schools may require you to provide a copy of your credit report as part of your acceptance to the school. I would venture to say this is more common with private schools. Two of the schools where I interviewed talked about submitting CRs on admission to the school (SLU and Georgetown). I think this is partly because of the cost of going to these schools per year outweighs the amount you can borrow in terms of Stafford loans, and you may have to turn to credit-based loan programs (private loans) to finance your education.

For example, Georgetown does require a copy of your CR prior to matriculation, and they look for several items, including late pays, etc. If you don't meet the credit-based criteria they set forth when you're accepted, you won't be allowed to matriculate.

From the Georgetown Information for Applicants:

All interviewed applicants assigned to the highly competitive pool must meet the following criteria:
1. No previous educational loan default unless the loan has been either paid in full or satisfactory progress has been made in repaying the loans as determined by federal regulations.
2. No bankruptcy, foreclosures, repossessions, suits filed, wages garnished, unpaid tax liens, paid judgments, or open judgments reported in the last seven years.
3. No record of a paid or unpaid collection or charged-off account or skip within the last two years.
4. No payments 90 days past due within the last five years.
5. No more than two accounts 60 or more days past due in the last two years.
6. Applicants whose credit reports include 30 and/or 60 day late payments within the last 12 months will be required to provide an explanation to the Office of Student Financial Planning, and all accounts must be in current status, prior to matriculation.


So, while they might not consider your credit during the admissions process, it still influences your ability to attend schools that have these requirements. You need to check the schools you're planning to apply for these requirements.

In cleaning up your CR - you might consider working Consumer Credit Counseling Services to help you negotiate with your creditors. If you're not familiar with CCCS, a local office should be listed in your local phone book. Bad credit may not just influence your ability to get into medical school, but your ability to get insurance, among other things. I realize that you're dedicated to pursuing medicine as a career, and that is noble, but you need to have your financial house in order before you start.

Like I said...for what it's worth....
 
Originally posted by Enkindu
Just a note of caution- during the financial aid meeting at one of my interviews (public top 30 school) we were told that in the future schools would probably withdraw offers of acceptance if applicants weren't creditworthy and couldn't demonstrate other means to pay. By the way, when I did a routine credit check prior to applying I found very bad incorrect info on my credit report and it was a PAIN to get straightened out. Check your credit report, and be prepared for an epic adventure in BS if there's a mistake. (check long before applying!)

EVERYONE do this - it doesn't matter if you've never borrowed money in your life, because credit reporting agencies do *not* care about errors - it is entirely your responsibility to detect and fix them...a process which cummulatively takes at least three months.
 
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