Question about in-state/out of state for application

[TylerGLee]

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I have tried googling to find out the answer so I would not have to bother anyone, but I cannot seem to find a solid answer. I will be applying to medical school through AMCAS next summer and I am trying to determine what state I will be a resident in.

I lived in Maryland from June 1990- June 2013. In the beginning of July I moved to Wisconsin and will be living here for two years (while my wife goes to school). We have Wisconsin license plates, Wisconsin drivers license, I will be filing my taxes in Wisconsin. But what is the official time requirement to be considered a resident for the purpose of applying to medical school. If I submit my application next June then technically I will have only lived in Wisconsin for 11 months. Is this long enough to be considered a Wisconsin resident or should I be considering myself a Maryland resident on my application?

Thank you very much for your time and help,

 

[mcloaf]

http://registrar.wisc.edu/residence.htm

 

[TylerGLee]

That is for tuition purposes which I have heard is significantly more strict (because they obviously want to keep their money). I am talking about for the application to attend medical school, not tuition information if I am accepted, but thank you though.

 

[zacharyw]

Similar experience, I moved to a different state this year for a job after submitting my AMCAS application and I called the med schools in that state and asked if they would consider me as IS applicant. They said if it is indicated on my AMCAS application that my address is in that state, I would be considered IS. AMCAS never verify your residence, it is whatever you put down in that section. Since I had my old address (parents' house) on AMCAS app, still frequently go back, and I consider my job to be temporary (hopefully), I've kept my old state residency and currently an in state applicant in the med schools in the old state. There's a lot of flexibility in interpreting this.

So it is based on individual schools.

And for tuition purpose, it is much stricter, as I need to provide proof of 1+ year of residency prior to matriculation. But that's separate from the application.

 

[TylerGLee]

I contacted AMCAS about this, maybe I should also contact MCW and UWM and see what they think. Hopefully between the three of those this issue will come to a close. I mean if I was to go with my gut I would say I would apply as a Wisconsin resident, because as you say, it is my legal residence, mail gets delivered to me here, I work here etc.

 

[zacharyw]

Yea, since I have no problem having my admission related stuff sent to my parents' house, it wasn't a big deal (especially when it's only 100 miles apart and I go home every weekend). But having all your correspondence sent to MD while in WI might be tough.

 

[TheBossDoctor]

You can put down whatever state you want on AMCAS and get away with it since they don't verify that information. It's the secondaries which ask a bunch of questions to verify your residency status. And since you won't be submitting secondaries til July (12 month mark), you'll be fine.

 

[zacharyw]

It's school dependent, UMass asks for income tax, high school report card etc to verify residence whereas many other schools (with little to no residency preference) is as easy as the AMCAS

 

[TylerGLee]

So for anyone that was curious about the answer to this question. I contacted AMCAS. AMCAS then told me to contact the schools. I contacted the schools. Then the schools told me to contact the state. At least for the state of Wisconsin, they have a certain set of things I would have to clear to become a state resident, some of which they said were pretty universal to most states so this stuff would be good to note if you get in to my situation. To officially be considered "in-state" and therefore put into the "in-state" application pool at your medical school of choice you would need to:

1) Live in the state for 12 consecutive months prior to applying
2) Not be in school for those 12 months (otherwise they will consider you going to the new state for school and not for residency status)
3) Working full time really helps (the medical schools can even sort of bypass the state rules if you are proving to them that you are here for work and not just trying to get "in-state" on your application
4) Have your drivers license, car registered, and voter registration in the new state
5) File income taxes in the new state

So for me specifically I will technically be here for 11 months. Neither the state nor the schools would give me a 100% clear saying I will absolutely be considered a resident if I apply in June. The schools said that they go by the date of your submission of your AMCAS primary. But they gave me about a 90% clear, saying that by the time that they get to it, get through secondaries etc that I would have been here long enough. I then further asked whether or not I should maybe just apply in July, making it the full 12 months. They again were not 100% because they said while I would for sure be considered a resident especially if I have all of the other requirements (2-5), that it may hurt my application obviously applying a month later than I was planning.

So personally I am not sure what I am going to do, I will give it some more time and thought, but for everyone else's reference, these are some of the standard things that you would need to be put in to the "in-state" application pool. I would contact both the schools you are interested in, and your state education governing board for 100% clarification though.

 

[TylerGLee]

And for tuition purpose, it is much stricter, as I need to provide proof of 1+ year of residency prior to matriculation. But that's separate from the application.

And just a by the way, this was also confirmed by the schools that I contacted and the state. While IS/OOS on your application is sort of lenient based on each school. Tuition purposes have government ties so these are set in stone rules. You must have 12 months living in the state within 1 year from the date of matriculation.

So I moved here July 2013, I would (if I get accepted) be matriculating August 15th 2015 if I am applying during the 2014 cycle. So I must have 12 months by August 15 2014 to be considered in-state, even if you are accepted significantly later in the cycle. Again, tuition stuff is unrelated to the application, AMCAS, or days of acceptance etc.

 

[Goro]

To me, you're a WI resident. Play it on on apps to UW, and MCW.

Them on your apps to U MD, play up how long you lived there and how you can't wait to get back. These are the honest-to-God "ties" to a state that a lot of people here define much more loosely.

I have tried googling to find out the answer so I would not have to bother anyone, but I cannot seem to find a solid answer. I will be applying to medical school through AMCAS next summer and I am trying to determine what state I will be a resident in.

I lived in Maryland from June 1990- June 2013. In the beginning of July I moved to Wisconsin and will be living here for two years (while my wife goes to school). We have Wisconsin license plates, Wisconsin drivers license, I will be filing my taxes in Wisconsin. But what is the official time requirement to be considered a resident for the purpose of applying to medical school. If I submit my application next June then technically I will have only lived in Wisconsin for 11 months. Is this long enough to be considered a Wisconsin resident or should I be considering myself a Maryland resident on my application?

Thank you very much for your time and help,

 

[TylerGLee]

Yea I was going to be shooting for Wisconsin because
a) they are relatively cheaper, in state
b) there are two schools instead of one in maryland
c) their average scores are lower than maryland and I am absolutely an average applicant
d) i hate maryland and my wife and i need some distance from my mother haha

Another problem with Maryland is on application I could have "ties" with the state BUTTT. I would be living here so technically I would get out of state tuition which for Maryland is a lot...

So a lot of my eggs are frankly in the DO basket, which is fine, and if by luck I was to get into any allopathic schools it would probably be one of the Wisconsin ones... so the main question now is to apply in June or apply in July.

11 months in state and application in early... or
12 months in state and application later than when I had hoped to submit...

I think I am still shooting for June seeing as again, I am a very average applicant, so I have to play the early card as best as I can

 

[TylerGLee]

Not to mention I work at the Medical college in a research lab, which I am sure doesnt hurt... i hope haha

 

[zacharyw]

And just a by the way, this was also confirmed by the schools that I contacted and the state. While IS/OOS on your application is sort of lenient based on each school. Tuition purposes have government ties so these are set in stone rules. You must have 12 months living in the state within 1 year from the date of matriculation.

So I moved here July 2013, I would (if I get accepted) be matriculating August 15th 2015 if I am applying during the 2014 cycle. So I must have 12 months by August 15 2014 to be considered in-state, even if you are accepted significantly later in the cycle. Again, tuition stuff is unrelated to the application, AMCAS, or days of acceptance etc.

That doesn't seem right. The state I currently live in said if I lived in the state for more than a year by the time I matriculate, I would be considered an IS for tuition purpose (assume I get DL, voter registration etc as well). It's peculiar that they require you to fill the residency by August of 2014 when you plan to matriculate August of 2015. Especially when IS/OOS tuition status is handled by financial aid office, not the admissions office, therefore they wouldn't get a hand on your application until ~Spring of 2015.

 

[TylerGLee]

I am sorry, I have read further and it is, 12 months before matriculation, not 12 months from your application... specifically for tuition purposes again. For application purposes it is 12 months from the application

Here is a nugget of info I found on the application stuff
"For determination of Wisconsin residency, we only use the information that you submit as part of your secondary application. The state of legal residence that you reported on your AMCAS application is not considered. Laws and rules used by other states and universities do not apply. It is possible that you could be considered a resident of more than one state. This does not disqualify you from being a Wisconsin resident."

So as someone mentioned, it is from your secondary where they really gather the info to put you into IS/OOS application pool.

 

[TylerGLee]

So assuming I put in my primary June 3rd, when do people start getting secondaries? will it probably not be until like late July and August? at which point I would be thrilled because I would 100% be considered in-state. Or will it be like late June?

 

[zacharyw]

So might as well put down MD on AMCAS with your parents address (assuming MD only looks at AMCAS reported state... you should check) while claim WI residency on the secondary for UW, and hope MCW has similar policy (It's not a big deal if it isn't, as they don't have much of an IS preference anyways)

 

[zacharyw]

So assuming I put in my primary June 3rd, when do people start getting secondaries? will it probably not be until like late July and August? at which point I would be thrilled because I would 100% be considered in-state. Or will it be like late June?

Within 30min of submission opening? Late June. A week after it opens? Late July.

 

[TylerGLee]

Zach, neither of your previous posts make any sense to me... why would I put MD down on my primary? they are saying there is a 90% chance that by the time they get to my primry and a 100% chance that by the time they get to my secondary I will have officially been living here for at least 12 months...

the second post I just have no clue what you are saying at all, 30min of submission? what? I apply early June and I am asking if it is typical to get secondaries by end of June or usually do you get them later? basically once you submit your primary does it take two weeks...? a month...? three months...? to get secondaries?