Question about post interview acceptance rates

[moldydorito]

Hello! I was wondering if post interview acceptance rates are higher than actually reported. I ask this because they are usually given as number accepted over number that interview. However, there are cases where people interview but then withdraw after being accepted elsewhere. If we account for these people (however many there may be) wouldn’t the post interview acceptance rate be higher?

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[deleted987519]

@limeyguydr has a spreadsheet that accounts for this

 

[TheDataKing]

 

[PreMedStudent55555]

If you don’t mind me asking, what is the source of this data? Also thanks for making the spreadsheet!

 

[moldydorito]

If you don’t mind me asking, what is the source of this data? Also thanks for making the spreadsheet!

Isn’t this from us news? Also I thought this didn’t account for people who withdrew, or am I mistaken?

 

[TheDataKing]

Isn’t this from us news? Also I thought this didn’t account for people who withdrew, or am I mistaken?

it's from US News & World Report. I'm pretty sure it accounts for that

 

[deleted987519]

Isn’t this from us news? Also I thought this didn’t account for people who withdrew, or am I mistaken?

Are you asking about people who interview and withdraw BEFORE being accepted?

 

[deleted987519]

Are you asking about people who interview and withdraw BEFORE being accepted?

Not sure if that can be tracked, but I doubt it is common enough to significantly skew the rates reported

 

[moldydorito]

Are you asking about people who interview and withdraw BEFORE being accepted?

Yes. I think you’re right though it probably isn’t a lot of people who withdraw before being accepted to really affect the data.

 

[and 99 others]

Really great!

Would be awesome if you could heat map the IS and OOS acceptance rates.

 

[moldydorito]

Also it kinda scares me that schools like Columbia and UPenn have much lower oos acceptance rates compared to in state. Thoughts on why this may be?

 

[Kardio]

Also it kinda scares me that schools like Columbia and UPenn have much lower oos acceptance rates compared to in state. Thoughts on why this may be?

Maybe they have found that IS’ers tend to choose an IS medical school when they hold multiple acceptances (assuming the schools are in the same competitiveness bracket). They may be interviewing OOS candidates and assessing how likely that candidate is to choose their school over the schools in the interviewees home state.

 

[moldydorito]

Maybe they have found that IS’ers tend to choose an IS medical school when they hold multiple acceptances (assuming the schools are in the same competitiveness bracket). They may be interviewing OOS candidates and assessing how likely that candidate is to choose their school over the schools in the interviewees home state.

How would they determine this? Would this be an issue for such top tier schools? ive already interviewed at both these schools and the last thing I’d want is for them to think I’d choose my in state schools over them.

 

[gyngyn]

How would they determine this? Would this be an issue for such top tier schools? ive already interviewed at both these schools and the last thing I’d want is for them to think I’d choose my in state schools over them.

It is a factor for all schools, for the interview offer and matriculation. It is not a factor after an interview is granted.

 

[moldydorito]

It is a factor for all schools, for the interview offer and matriculation. It is not a factor after an interview is granted.

I guess I’m a little confused. How would this explain why in state acceptance is so much higher for penn and Columbia?

 

[gyngyn]

I guess I’m a little confused. How would this explain why in state acceptance is so much higher for penn and Columbia?

IS candidates are the easiest to predict for any school, private or public.

 

[TheDataKing]

Really great!

Would be awesome if you could heat map the IS and OOS acceptance rates.

how do you want me to heat map them?

 

[moldydorito]

IS candidates are the easiest to predict for any school, private or public.

Just to make sure I’m understanding this correctly, so penn/Columbia think that people from their respective states are more likely to attend, so they are more like to accept them post interview? This makes me feel poopy since I’m from a small midwestern state without any good med schools :’(

 

[gyngyn]

Just to make sure I’m understanding this correctly, so penn/Columbia think that people from their respective states are more likely to attend, so they are more like to accept them post interview? This makes me feel poopy since I’m from a small midwestern state without any good med schools :’(

No. The algorithm that determines who should be interviewed includes the fact that many IS applicants would rather stay IS.
It is also true that IS interviewees seem more accessible in interviews and more comfortable. This seems to be associated with the positive outcome.

 

[moldydorito]

No. The algorithm that determines who should be interviewed includes the fact that many IS applicants would rather stay IS.
It is also true that IS interviewees seem more accessible in interviews and more comfortable. This seems to be associated with the positive outcome.

Sorry to keep asking, but the fact that more in state applicants are invited for interview doesn’t seem to explain why the POST interview acceptance rate would be so different between in state vs oos applicants. Do you think the difference (like a 15% difference) is really just that in state applicants are more comfortable during their interviews so they are more likely to get in post interview?

 

[imbesrs]

Just to make sure I’m understanding this correctly, so penn/Columbia think that people from their respective states are more likely to attend, so they are more like to accept them post interview? This makes me feel poopy since I’m from a small midwestern state without any good med schools :’(

IS + Ivy status is a pretty unbeatable combo for any applicant.

 

[moldydorito]

IS + Ivy status is a pretty unbeatable combo for any applicant.

What about oos+ ivy status (I graduated from penn). I’m just worried because I’m not in state for any of the private schools I applied to.

 

[imbesrs]

What about oos+ ivy status (I graduated from penn). I’m just worried because I’m not in state for any of the private schools I applied to.

There are plenty of OOS seats for you. Youre clearly a sick applicant and they recognize when an applicant has no "good schools" close to their home- if anything I would say in my humble opinion that thats more of a reason to actually give you an acceptance. You would leave your state to attend school there because of a lack in your own.

 

[ChymeofPassion]

What about oos+ ivy status (I graduated from penn). I’m just worried because I’m not in state for any of the private schools I applied to.

You graduated from HYPSM, you have a 3.97, one point from a perfect MCAT, and you already have 14 interviews. Can you explain (remember, rationally), what you're worried about? Are you worried you won't get 25/25 interviews?

 

[moldydorito]

You graduated from HYPSM, you have a 3.97, one point from a perfect MCAT, and you already have 14 interviews. Can you explain (remember, rationally), what you're worried about? Are you worried you won't get 25/25 interviews?

Nothing about me is rational anymore haha. But actually though you’re right. I just really fell in love with these two schools and the wait till March is killing me.

 

[and 99 others]

how do you want me to heat map them?

I think conditional formatting with color scales within each column would be helpful. Such that the higher percentages show as closer to green and lower closer to red.

 

[Moko]

Wait, these repeated neurotic questions are from someone with those stats? This is way beyond premed nervousness and really needs to be addressed

Not a fan of Xanax, but this calls for a stat @Goro consult

 

[imbesrs]

Not a fan of Xanax, but this calls for a stat @Goro consult

Had me out like a light, ayyy, like a light

 

[TheDataKing]

I think conditional formatting with color scales within each column would be helpful. Such that the higher percentages show as closer to green and lower closer to red.

I tried lmao

 

[907914]

You graduated from HYPSM, you have a 3.97, one point from a perfect MCAT, and you already have 14 interviews. Can you explain (remember, rationally), what you're worried about? Are you worried you won't get 25/25 interviews?

As I have stated before, this is medical school applications not Pokemon, you don’t need to catch’em all.

 

[KnightDoc]

You graduated from HYPSM, you have a 3.97, one point from a perfect MCAT, and you already have 14 interviews. Can you explain (remember, rationally), what you're worried about? Are you worried you won't get 25/25 interviews?

For what it's worth, the "P" in "HYPSM" is not Penn! Maybe that's what he's worried about!

 

[KnightDoc]

Just to make sure I’m understanding this correctly, so penn/Columbia think that people from their respective states are more likely to attend, so they are more like to accept them post interview? This makes me feel poopy since I’m from a small midwestern state without any good med schools :’(

All kidding aside, you can't possibly be smart enough to have those stats and not realize that you are not going to be discriminated against at Penn for being OOS when you went there for undergrad! Your problem there is going be competing against all the other applicants from Penn undergrad. With your stats, if don't get an A at any top school, it's not going to have anything to do with your state of residence.

 

[ChymeofPassion]

For what it's worth, the "P" in "HYPSM" is not Penn! Maybe that's what he's worried about!

Shows how in touch I am with that **** lol.

 

[imbesrs]

Shows how in touch I am with that **** lol.

Yeah its for the university of phoenix online

 

[ChymeofPassion]

Yeah its for the university of phoenix online

I thought it was Podunk State of Central Nowhere?

 

[907914]

Is there data anywhere on post-II outcomes for international applicants? For now I just assume it's a decent amount less than OOS % lol

If you are an international applicant who is good enough to get an interview, treat yourself. Simply as OOS.

 

[tri99]

As I have stated before, this is medical school applications not Pokemon, you don’t need to catch’em all.

During a lunch with current med students an interviewee asked, “so what makes _____ a better choice than other schools?”

He/She was pretty shocked when the student said “yeah you know it really doesn’t matter where you go to medical school, just score well on your boards. This school offered free board prep materials and had some cool clubs so I figured why not.”

 

[dgnsc]

Any idea why 241 NYU OOS were accepted but only 71 enrolled? This was after the free tuition was announced if I am understanding correctly.

 

[moldydorito]

Any idea why 241 NYU OOS were accepted but only 71 enrolled? This was after the free tuition was announced if I am understanding correctly.

Maybe they got into other top schools and went there for prestige?

 

[deleted804295]

During a lunch with current med students an interviewee asked, “so what makes _____ a better choice than other schools?”

He/She was pretty shocked when the student said “yeah you know it really doesn’t matter where you go to medical school, just score well on your boards. This school offered free board prep materials and had some cool clubs so I figured why not.”

I mean the med student was honest xD

 

[710118]

Maybe they got into other top schools and went there for prestige?

Holy crap. 3.97/527 thats insane lol

 

[KnightDoc]

Any idea why 241 NYU OOS were accepted but only 71 enrolled? This was after the free tuition was announced if I am understanding correctly.

I do not think you are understanding correctly. The stats you are referring to are the latest available, which are NOT for the class that just started, but for the class that started in 2018. They didn't know tuition was free until it was announced at their White Coat Ceremony! Just imagine how the 170 felt then!

 

[Goro]

Any idea why 241 NYU OOS were accepted but only 71 enrolled? This was after the free tuition was announced if I am understanding correctly.

Free tuition notwithstanding, not everybody wants to move to New York City.

Students still have to pay room and board, BTW

 

[ChymeofPassion]

I do not think you are understanding correctly. The stats you are referring to are the latest available, which is NOT for the class that just started, but for the class that started in 2018. They didn't know tuition was free until it was announced at their White Coat Ceremony! Just imagine how the 170 felt then!

NYU will hand out ~120 acceptances this year, and interview around 900.

 

[dgnsc]

NYU will hand out ~120 acceptances this year, and interview around 900.

Oh wow, did they announce they would be interviewing only 900 this year at the interview?
Excited to be attending mine at NYU

 

[u_raptor]

Free tuition notwithstanding, not everybody wants to move to New York City.

Students still have to pay room and board, BTW

Especially considering COL in NYC could potentially be around or even more than the price of tuition at an in state school....

 

[and 99 others]

I do not think you are understanding correctly. The stats you are referring to are the latest available, which are NOT for the class that just started, but for the class that started in 2018. They didn't know tuition was free until it was announced at their White Coat Ceremony! Just imagine how the 170 felt then!

Now just imagine how those who decided against NYU for better aid at a different school felt

 

[PigsHaveWings]

which month does the USNWR update this ?

 

[TheDataKing]

which month does the USNWR update this ?

March

 

[MyOdyssey]

During a lunch with current med students an interviewee asked, “so what makes _____ a better choice than other schools?”

He/She was pretty shocked when the student said “yeah you know it really doesn’t matter where you go to medical school, just score well on your boards. This school offered free board prep materials and had some cool clubs so I figured why not.”

This advice is dated. Step 1 is now mandatory P/F.