Question about psychiatric testing.

[Psyclops]

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No I didn't mistype. I meant psychiatric testing. Specifically the Rorschach. Do y'all learn how to administer and score that one? As I'm sure you all know Hermann was an MD.

As I'm sure you also know, The Rorschach was originally developed to differentiate schizophrenics (or psychotics) from other patients and normals. Hermann noticed that the psychotic patients played a common parlor game, blotto, in a different way than other patients in his Swiss clinic.

Although it often receives a mixed review to put it nicely, I'm told by a professor of mine that the Rorschach does best at determining who is psychotic, even during the prodromal phase, which is wehen it would be most useful. This post occured to me after reading Ana's post about zyprexa. The problem is that many clinician who are romanticized by the test want to force it to be a diagnostic tool for other disrders whih it is less good at.

So back to the question, do you guys use it, or learn about it?

 

[Solideliquid]

No I didn't mistype. I meant psychiatric testing. Specifically the Rorschach. Do y'all learn how to administer and score that one? As I'm sure you all know Hermann was an MD.

As I'm sure you also know, The Rorschach was originally developed to differentiate schizophrenics (or psychotics) from other patients and normals. Hermann noticed that the psychotic patients played a common parlor game, blotto, in a different way than other patients in his Swiss clinic.

Although it often receives a mixed review to put it nicely, I'm told by a professor of mine that the Rorschach does best at determining who is psychotic, even during the prodromal phase, which is wehen it would be most useful. This post occured to me after reading Ana's post about zyprexa. The problem is that many clinician who are romanticized by the test want to force it to be a diagnostic tool for other disrders whih it is less good at.

So back to the question, do you guys use it, or learn about it?

I've never seen a psychiatrist use it. Normally from what I've seen, we are trained to notice prodromal phase without it. It would probably take too long and a well trained psychiatrist should notice schizophrenia or prodromal phase in a patient very quickly.

 

[Poety]

No I didn't mistype. I meant psychiatric testing. Specifically the Rorschach. Do y'all learn how to administer and score that one? As I'm sure you all know Hermann was an MD.

As I'm sure you also know, The Rorschach was originally developed to differentiate schizophrenics (or psychotics) from other patients and normals. Hermann noticed that the psychotic patients played a common parlor game, blotto, in a different way than other patients in his Swiss clinic.

Although it often receives a mixed review to put it nicely, I'm told by a professor of mine that the Rorschach does best at determining who is psychotic, even during the prodromal phase, which is wehen it would be most useful. This post occured to me after reading Ana's post about zyprexa. The problem is that many clinician who are romanticized by the test want to force it to be a diagnostic tool for other disrders whih it is less good at.

So back to the question, do you guys use it, or learn about it?

When I did my research year I was fascinated by the tests that were administered and how they interpreted different things. I saw the Rorshach once and it was cool, I can't remember why we did it, I just watched the PsyD's do it.

Anyway, I also got a kick outta the other tests (I don't remember hardly any of the names) but there were a ton of them for IQ, abstract thinking, etc etc. There was this book, and you could flip the pages and test someone quickly to find out their IQ, it was used to determine if they were intelligent enough to be eligible for the study.

I'd like to administer some tests. I also love the infant testing, like when they had babies walk along a glass table adn noticed they all stopped at the edge, knowing they would topple over - fascinating stuff. I'd like to get into this part of psychology/iatry in a developmental center somewhere - seriously.

 

[Psyclops]

Tessting and assessment are high on my interest list as well. The Rorschach is fun, but difficult, and controversial.

 

[Poety]

Tessting and assessment are high on my interest list as well. The Rorschach is fun, but difficult, and controversial.

They did a study in genetics and it showed that people will hold their breath the longest the more DNA similarities they had. So Mom and Dad would hold their breath like 3X more for thier kids than for nieces, nephews, and 2x more for neices nephews than for 2nd cousins... etc.. IT WAS COOL!

 

[Psyclops]

They did a study in genetics and it showed that people will hold their breath the longest the more DNA similarities they had. So Mom and Dad would hold their breath like 3X more for thier kids than for nieces, nephews, and 2x more for neices nephews than for 2nd cousins... etc.. IT WAS COOL!

If you like evolutionary psych, see if you can come up with the answer they give for this one. Which grandparent pays the most attention gives the most gifts etc. to the grandkid, and which gives the least? And why?

 

[Poety]

If you like evolutionary psych, see if you can come up with the answer they give for this one. Which grandparent pays the most attention gives the most gifts etc. to the grandkid, and which gives the least? And why?

The mothers mother, because she shares mitochondrial DNA?

 

[Psyclops]

The mothers mother, because she shares mitochondrial DNA?

Correct about the maternal grandmother. But the reason that I have been told, or the hypothesis I should say, is that she is the only one of the four who knows for sure the grandchild is related to her. The paternal granfather, who also has the least certainty of the child's ineage, tends to lavish the least attention and gifts on the kid. With the paternal grandmother, and maternal grandfather falling in the middle with their expressed love, each are only certain about one link in the chain.

 

[Solideliquid]

So...how does the maternal grandmother know for sure?

 

[50960]

Peace at last!!! 🙂

 

[Poety]

Peace at last!!! 🙂

Yeah, as long as we're not talkign about you know what, we get along fine!

PSyclops, I still the think the DNA thing could come into play for sure! Especially since that other study showed that the more genes you share with someone, the further you'll go for them!

Speaking of which, my PATERNAL grandmother is the one that spoiled me rotten and gave me everything - go figure 😉

 

[Psyclops]

So...how does the maternal grandmother know for sure?

The woman is always sure who her child is, the man, until recently, couldn't ever be 100% sure.

Poety, I agree this is just a hypothesis, I'm not even sure if I agree with, so much culture would come into play as well. And my pateral grandmother was by far the biggest spoiler.

 

[Poety]

The woman is always sure who her child is, the man, until recently, couldn't ever be 100% sure.

Poety, I agree this is just a hypothesis, I'm not even sure if I agree with, so much culture would come into play as well. And my pateral grandmother was by far the biggest spoiler.

Maybe its an ethnicity thing My paternal grandmother is Italian, all about feeding and spoiling 😍


btw psyclops, what is that test that uses the little book and you ask them things like "whats this a picture of" and (its a cash register, etc) I like that test

I love when they would answer bizarrely like "its the place I put my pennies after going to the store" WOWOWOW 😕 🙂

 

[PsychEval]

When I did my research year I was fascinated by the tests that were administered and how they interpreted different things. I saw the Rorshach once and it was cool, I can't remember why we did it, I just watched the PsyD's do it.

Anyway, I also got a kick outta the other tests (I don't remember hardly any of the names) but there were a ton of them for IQ, abstract thinking, etc etc. There was this book, and you could flip the pages and test someone quickly to find out their IQ, it was used to determine if they were intelligent enough to be eligible for the study.

I'd like to administer some tests. I also love the infant testing, like when they had babies walk along a glass table adn noticed they all stopped at the edge, knowing they would topple over - fascinating stuff. I'd like to get into this part of psychology/iatry in a developmental center somewhere - seriously.

Testing is interesting. I use to work at an acute inpatient psychiatric unit. The psychiatry residents were generally fascinated by testing, and eager to learn . We would often use the Kaufman Brief Intelligence Test (K-BIT) as a quick and dirty to assess IQ. The Rorschach (Exner) was utilized when the team suspected psychosis in a patient, but they were guarded enough to keep it together. We would then administer the Rorschach, which would function like a psychosis magnet and provide a clearer estimate of their current level of functioning. I routinely would see meds changed based on the results of our testing. The psychiatrists and psychologists worked well together. Those were fun days, I only utilize objective measures now.

 

[Poety]

Testing is interesting. I use to work at an acute inpatient psychiatric unit. The psychiatry residents were generally fascinated by testing, and eager to learn . We would often use the Kaufman Brief Intelligence Test (K-BIT) as a quick and dirty to assess IQ. The Rorschach (Exner) was utilized when the team suspected psychosis in a patient, but they were guarded enough to keep it together. We would then administer the Rorschach, which would function like a psychosis magnet and provide a clearer estimate of their current level of functioning. I routinely would see meds changed based on the results of our testing. The psychiatrists and psychologists worked well together. Those were fun days, I only utilize objective measures now.

thats it! the K-bit, gotta love that test. Although I "did" get that damn old "clandestine" one wrong 😱

 

[Psyclops]

You know PE, I'm not a huge fan of subjective/objective distinction. I realize it is just semantics, but I don't think it does the distinction justice. Ultimately objective tests end up being subjective as well, assuming you put thought into them.

 

[PsychEval]

You know PE, I'm not a huge fan of subjective/objective distinction. I realize it is just semantics, but I don't think it does the distinction justice. Ultimately objective tests end up being subjective as well, assuming you put thought into them.

Agree