Question about research publishing?

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When people say talk about publishing, what exactly are they referring to? Are they talking about writing a thesis and getting it published? Or are they simply talking about being listed as a co-author by the PI and being published in the paper or article?

How exactly does publishing work? Does a PI make a paper every time he/she discovers something? How can a student be published?

I am very confused about this topic and it would really help if someone can clear up the above questions for me. Thank you in advance
 
Usually people are referring to the latter when a student contributes a significant amount of work towards a project that eventually gets published as part of the PI's lab's research focus.

So basically, a PI is an investigator that is an expert in some field X. He has postdocs, grad students, UGs that work for him to try to answer questions (e.g. projects) that contribute towards moving field X forward. Ideally speaking this would mean that at the end of each project, something novel has been discovered and thus gets a story written up about said phenomena. Now an UG may work on part of a postdoc's or grad student's project(s) or even their own. Then you would carry out experiments, analyze data and report their findings to the PI (or postdoc or grad student). Once enough experiments have been carried out to put together a coherent "narrative", the work is drafted for publication. Now some PI's are more hands on with the writing portion and may write up the discussion of the paper, other's are more hands off and will have the students draft portions and edit them afterwards. Depending on how much work the student contributed to the project will be seen from their authorship position: 1st author = significant contribution, 2nd author = good sized contribution, middle author = some contribution.

The story is then submitted to a journal of interest (to the PI), reviewed, then it's either rejected or returned with revision suggestions (this usually means additional experiments), and the cycle repeats until the journal finally accepts the "narrative". Then the work is published. Now there are a lot of nuances to the process and I glossed over some parts but hopefully this helps you understand a bit of what the publication process entails.
 
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Usually people are referring to the latter when a student contributes a significant amount of work towards a project that eventually gets published as part of the PI's lab's research focus.

So basically, a PI is an investigator that is an expert in some field X. He has postdocs, grad students, UGs that work for him to try to answer questions (e.g. projects) that contribute towards moving field X forward. Ideally speaking this would mean that at the end of each project, something novel has been discovered and thus gets a story written up about said phenomena. Now an UG may work on part of a postdoc's or grad student's project(s) or even their own. They would carry out experiments, analyze data and report their findings to the PI (or postdoc or grad student). Once enough experiments have been carried out to put together a coherent "narrative", the work is drafted for publication. Now some PI's are more hands on with the writing portion and may write up the discussion of the paper, other's are more hands off and will have the students draft portions and edit them afterwards. Depending on how much work the student contributed to the project will be seen from their authorship position: 1st author = significant contribution, 2nd author = good sized contribution, middle author = some contribution.

The story is then submitted to a journal of interest (to the PI), reviewed, then it's either rejected or returned with revision suggestions (this usually means additional experiments), and the cycle repeats until the journal finally accepts the "narrative". Then the work is published. Now there are a lot of nuances to the process and I glossed over some parts but hopefully this helps you understand a bit of what the publication process entails.
Wow thank you so much!! This really clarifies alot that I had in mind! One more question, is it safe to ask a PI how often they publish papers? How typically do they publish?
 
Wow thank you so much!! This really clarifies alot that I had in mind! One more question, is it safe to ask a PI how often they publish papers? How typically do they publish?

The beauty of it is that you can just do Pubmed search and see how often a given PI publishes.
How they publish is in journals, the PI submits the manuscript to the journal and the manuscript is assigned reviewers. These reviewers either accept the paper, reject the paper, or ask the author to make revisions with the intent to accept it after the revisions are made.
 
The beauty of it is that you can just do Pubmed search and see how often a given PI publishes.
True, but from what I know, he is doing some different work now. Do you think it will still be the same rate that he publishes? Doesn't it take a long time and isnt it rare to publish, since you have to actually discover something first?
 
True, but from what I know, he is doing some different work now. Do you think it will still be the same rate that he publishes? Doesn't it take a long time and isnt it rare to publish, since you have to actually discover something first?

There might be a delay in publishing as he gets going on the new project, that's pretty normal.
 
Does the research that I do have to be done in a lab? What if the research is computer and microscope based, and is done in an office?
 
True, but from what I know, he is doing some different work now. Do you think it will still be the same rate that he publishes? Doesn't it take a long time and isnt it rare to publish, since you have to actually discover something first?

@JustAPhD pretty much covered it. I just wanted to clarify that most publications are really series of smaller discoveries and thus are not too difficult to get published. High rate PI's know how to design projects that are just ambitious enough to bring something new to the table (and that's a skill that one tends to gain as they do more research). Now many labs also have some huge project running in the background that could be really paradigm shifting - though they're always looking for some "poor" postdoc or grad student to try to tackle it lol. As an undergrad, you most likely won't get that sort of project. Though the discovery from it can be quite exhilarating.
 
Does the research that I do have to be done in a lab? What if the research is computer and microscope based, and is done in an office?

Computational bio is a legitimate research endeavor, especially with the onset of this big data revolution (thing "-omics")
 
Computational bio is a legitimate research endeavor, especially with the onset of this big data revolution (thing "-omics")
Is it something good to pursue as a premed?
 
@JustAPhD pretty much covered it. I just wanted to clarify that most publications are really series of smaller discoveries and thus are not too difficult to get published. High rate PI's know how to design projects that are just ambitious enough to bring something new to the table (and that's a skill that one tends to gain as they do more research). Now many labs also have some huge project running in the background that could be really paradigm shifting - though they're always looking for some "poor" postdoc or grad student to try to tackle it lol. As an undergrad, you most likely won't get that sort of project. Though the discovery from it can be quite exhilarating.

This is 100% true.

Is it something good to pursue as a premed?

CompBio is a hotspot for research currently, it would be a great thing to pursue. More importantly, however, is to pursue research that you find interesting. There are a lot of long hours and failure associated with research. What keeps a person going is that passion and interest.
 
Is it something good to pursue as a premed?

Really depends on how computationally inclined you are. If you have programming skills and bioinformatics experience, let's just say medicine won't be the only career choice that you can pursue.
 
As long as you are learning something about the scientific process, it doesn't have to be in a lab. You can go to the South Seas and discover a new species of clam and get published.

90%+ of all medical school matriculants have done some sort of research.




Does the research that I do have to be done in a lab? What if the research is computer and microscope based, and is done in an office?
 
@JustAPhD pretty much covered it. I just wanted to clarify that most publications are really series of smaller discoveries and thus are not too difficult to get published. High rate PI's know how to design projects that are just ambitious enough to bring something new to the table (and that's a skill that one tends to gain as they do more research). Now many labs also have some huge project running in the background that could be really paradigm shifting - though they're always looking for some "poor" postdoc or grad student to try to tackle it lol. As an undergrad, you most likely won't get that sort of project. Though the discovery from it can be quite exhilarating.

On the contrary, there are some PIs who like to wait a long time before they publish, so they can accumulate a lot of data on a specific topic themselves and then publish it on a bigger journal vs. publishing earlier on a lower tier journal and have the competition get results that the PI could've done if he/she waited. It really depends on the culture of the lab/institution and how greedy the PI is.
 
publication is 99% luck and reminding your PI CONSTANTLY that your free labor better be put to use lol 😛. So don't go cukoo if you don't get one cause I myself have done a lot of years in this game and it is all about luck and how nice your PI is + how fast/easy the research produces data (p<0.05). If you get >= 1 publication during undergrad, I'd have to meet you and grill you on the research concept to know the difference.
 
On the contrary, there are some PIs who like to wait a long time before they publish, so they can accumulate a lot of data on a specific topic themselves and then publish it on a bigger journal vs. publishing earlier on a lower tier journal and have the competition get results that the PI could've done if he/she waited. It really depends on the culture of the lab/institution and how greedy the PI is.

True. But I was talking about junior faculty who have a lot of different projects going and still publish in the nature/science/cell journals (and frequently since that tenure clock isn't slowing down). I worked for a full professor before and he did wait longer before publishing, but I'm now working for a assistant prof who's really on the rise and should come out with 3-4 first author publications when it's all said and done.
 
True. But I was talking about junior faculty who have a lot of different projects going and still publish in the nature/science/cell journals (and frequently since that tenure clock isn't slowing down). I worked for a full professor before and he did wait longer before publishing, but I'm now working for a assistant prof who's really on the rise and should come out with 3-4 first author publications when it's all said and done.

Yup totally agree. But just for the OP this is good to know in terms of choosing a PI and figuring out his/her chances for publications.

Depending on the field too, publishing could be really rapid or really slow. Cell/molecular bio or orgo synthesis? Lots of competition, somewhat simpler methodology, so probably a faster rate of publication. Biophysical Chem with lots of fancy spectroscopy? Probably not as fast as you'd like.
 
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