Question about W's on Transcript - How to explain????

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I have some W's on my transcript. Kind of alot. I've taken 95% of the classes I have W's for, but in subsequent semesters. The others are classes that I hated such as Ornithology (study of birds). I've worked full-time at a hospital and been a research assistant 10-15 hours a week since I started college, but I'm wondering how anyone else would explain these. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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I have some W's on my transcript. Kind of alot. I've taken 95% of the classes I have W's for, but in subsequent semesters. The others are classes that I hated such as Ornithology (study of birds). I've worked full-time at a hospital and been a research assistant 10-15 hours a week since I started college, but I'm wondering how anyone else would explain these. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Hide it with lots of 'A's and hope noone notices.
 
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They will be translated into F's when you apply (at most schools). The mentality is "why would you drop unless you were already failing?"
 
I have some W's on my transcript. Kind of alot. I've taken 95% of the classes I have W's for, but in subsequent semesters. The others are classes that I hated such as Ornithology (study of birds). I've worked full-time at a hospital and been a research assistant 10-15 hours a week since I started college, but I'm wondering how anyone else would explain these. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Call me slow but I'm not getting that statement. Did you get W's for classes you didn't take? Like, they appeared out of thin air? 😕 😕

Just my thought, just because you hated a class doesn't give you an excuse for the W. You should have been responsible and dropped it before the deadline. Usually W's are explained by extreme circumstances so if the only reason you got W's was because you "didn't feel like trying, didn't like the class, or hated the teacher," you're a bit screwed.
 
I had two W's; one (calculus class) I took later and made an A, (dropped it b/c I had just come back to the U.S. from spending 18 years overseas; didn't really "get" the U.S. math/symbols system; was different than the commonwealth system; I needed to back up and take a lower level class first.) and the other one was a law class I just dropped because I changed my major from public administration to something more compatible with my med school goals. I was asked a couple of times about the two Ws. I just explained, without making excuses. Wasn't a problem. If you let them know that you work in research a lot, and that you obviously performed well later, it might not be too big of an issue. If they don't seem comfortable with it, you can mention what you "learned" from the experience. (i.e...when I took constitutional law, it required SO much of my study time, that I couldn't focus on biochem, so I dropped the law class). You can say that you learned not to overload yourself, or that you realize that you can accomplish more than you'd thought and maybe didn't need to drop so much, or that you were happy you came through school well, even with a heavy extra curricular load, because the research was important to you.... If you've made good grades in the same classes, they'll see you can do the work, you just don't want to come across as gunshy about difficult classes. Just be confident and gracious and don't panic if they ask, and come up with a polite answer that shows you were happy with the decisions you made. Good luck!
 
When they ask about it in your interviews, just look at the floor and mumble, "I'm not really allowed to discuss the specifics . . . "
 
They will be translated into F's when you apply (at most schools). The mentality is "why would you drop unless you were already failing?"
Um, no they are not counted as F's on AMCAS. And there are a lot of reasons to withdraw from classes even if you are doing well in them. One of my specific examples - I withdrew from an entire semester when I was currently getting A's in all the classes. I changed my major, decided to go to a different school, just broke up with my long-time boyfriend and just needed to get away - so I went to London. 😉

For the OP - I briefly explained my W's on my secondary in the "is there anything else you would like us to know" section. I just told the truth - that I was young and indecisive but I've grown a lot since then and am very sure of my goals now. It helps that I am an non-trad and separated from the W's by quite a bit of time. I don't think that explanation would have worked if I was a traditional applicant.
 
They will be translated into F's when you apply (at most schools). The mentality is "why would you drop unless you were already failing?"

Page 12 of the 2007 applicant instructions says that W will not affect the GPA unless it is an unofficial/administrative withdrawal.
 
At my school, any drop after the 10th day of class results in a W on your transcript. Every class that I dropped and took in a subsequent semester, I received an A. Just wondering what everyone's response to the question "Why do you have so many W's?" would be.
 
They will be translated into F's when you apply (at most schools). The mentality is "why would you drop unless you were already failing?"

no chance...I had like 6 W's in college...and I still got in.
 
At my school, any drop after the 10th day of class results in a W on your transcript. Every class that I dropped and took in a subsequent semester, I received an A. Just wondering what everyone's response to the question "Why do you have so many W's?" would be.

Good point. W's don't always mean the same thing. Where I taught, we let the students take a W all the way up to the 12th week. We had people dropping with 80% of their grade decided already just because they were afraid of getting a C. They'd retake it in the summer with all of the labs already done.

At my undergrad, on the other hand, no W's were allowed past the first quarter of the semester.
 
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People drop with C's... if you've had a couple C's already or are getting two C's in a semester. Drop one, bring the other up to an A...

Plus getting a W is MUCH smarter than getting a D or F. You'll want to take the course again either way, but a W doesn't factor into your GPA. Even if you repeat a course, that F or D will still bring you down.

As for the OP, you really need to think about why you dropped all those courses. There is no perfect answer, but there are much better answers than others... You might have two different explanations for different things... ie one to describe the hard courses you wern't doing well in and one to describe the courses you dropped because you didn't like.

And for those of you who care, it is NEVERRRR a good idea to drop a course because you just weren't feelin it and get a W. I can guarantee you that taking it to completion will be far less of a pain than trying to cover it up or even having to give up your dream when the Ws accumulate. Not mature thinking.
 
In all of my interviews I was never once asked about my 2 W's. You'll find other stuff to talk about and whatever you do don't dwell on it man. Just rock your essays and interviews . Peace
 
Page 12 of the 2007 applicant instructions says that W will not affect the GPA unless it is an unofficial/administrative withdrawal.
So how will this Withdrawal be formulated? Will they count as Fs?
 
They are not included into the AMCAS or AACOMAS G.P.A. It basically counts as nothing, but is still on your transcript.
 
So how will this Withdrawal be formulated? Will they count as Fs?

I'm wondering about unofficial withdrawals as well. The instructions are extremely vauge. It would make a difference of +0.1 on my AMCAS which for me would be huge. Anybody know?
 
An unofficial withdrawal (sometimes called an administrative withdrawal) is a withdrawal past the drop deadline that is done with the institutions approval so it often does not factor into that school's GPA. I had three one semester. The were listed as a WF on my transcript (withdrawal failing.) This signified that I was failing the course at the time of withdrawal but because of school policy those withdrawals didn't factor into the GPA. I am just wondering how AMCAS will calculate this. Here is a quote from pg. 12 of the instructions:

Grades of "IF" or unauthorized/unofficial/administrative withdrawal may be treated as "F" in
the GPA depending on how they are considered by your school.

It makes it seem kind of "up for AMCAS's interpretation", doesn't it? I mean the school didn't factor the WF's in, but note the word "may" in the instructions. Any thoughts?
 
Page 12 of the 2007 applicant instructions says that W will not affect the GPA unless it is an unofficial/administrative withdrawal.

The AAMC is has nothing to do with admission to a school. I have had schools tell me they translate W's into F's when calculating his or her GPA. This may not be the case all at schools....just the 3 I have talked to.
 
My interviewer actually questioned the only W I had. But since I retook the class (and its continuation), I had no problem deflecting it. I seriously don't think a W looks too bad. There's so many ways to explain it: illness, personal problem, overloaded schedule, etc. It shouldn't make you look bad as long as you have a thoughtful reason for withdrawing.
 
W's only matter getting to the interview - I have a couple and I'm sure there was a school or two that screened me for it. Once you get to the interview stage, I don't think it matters anymore - you've received your score or whatever for the secondary already, and if they still think you're good enough to interview you have a shot. At one school I interviewed at that was open file (the only one where my grades were ever mentioned), the interviewer said "Oh, it looks like you had a little trouble at one point, but if we didn't think you were academically qualified, you wouldn't be here right now." So if your MCAT is stellar and you have plenty of A's, it shouldn't be a problem. My W's were all in weird advanced science courses, and I was advised not to mention it in any of my essays, just to deal with it in interviews as it came up.
 
So I am still a little confused about the WU and W, what would be the difference of having an F and a WU if the WU might be counted as an F then? I have two of this ( WU ) and now I am stressing over this crap..
 
I have three Ws on my transcript and they were all because my brother was ill had to undergo emergency surgery. IF a medical schools hold that against me then I wouldn't attend there.

People have legitimate reasons for dropping courses, and they aren't always a reflection on your academic performance.
 
I think it depends. I'm wondering because at my school an unoffficial withdrawal translates as an F and it is calculated into your g.p.a as such even if its a WU. So would AMCAS count it as a F then?
 
They will be translated into F's when you apply (at most schools). The mentality is "why would you drop unless you were already failing?"

WOW! That is a strong opinion, but unfortunately it is also wrong..

I am an M1 and had 10 W's on my transcript.

People drop for all kinds of reasons, not just because they aren't doing well. I dropped Gen Chem II and Calculas with with B's in each. I hated both of these classes and decided that I needed another teacher in order to better understand the material. I dropped a whole semester of classes because I decided to change my major and hated the psycology classes that I was taking. I was passing everything with A's, but decided that I would rather take a job than go to classes that I hate. The next semester, I dropped all of my daytime time classes because I got called for jury duty that ended up lasting several weeks, and I was having a hard time keeping up with the work when I couldn't attend class.
 
The AAMC is has nothing to do with admission to a school. I have had schools tell me they translate W's into F's when calculating his or her GPA. This may not be the case all at schools....just the 3 I have talked to.

Would you like to tell us the names of these schools?
 
WOW! That is a strong opinion, but unfortunately it is also wrong..

I am an M1 and had 10 W's on my transcript.

People drop for all kinds of reasons, not just because they aren't doing well. I dropped Gen Chem II and Calculas with with B's in each. I hated both of these classes and decided that I needed another teacher in order to better understand the material. I dropped a whole semester of classes because I decided to change my major and hated the psycology classes that I was taking. I was passing everything with A's, but decided that I would rather take a job than go to classes that I hate. The next semester, I dropped all of my daytime time classes because I got called for jury duty that ended up lasting several weeks, and I was having a hard time keeping up with the work when I couldn't attend class.

Why didn't you just defer the jury duty?

10 W's eh? Did you get in, in one go or did it take a few times? Just wondering. 😕
 
This is confussing, I know that a standar W does not resemble an F when it comes to GPA, but a WU seems to according to an earlier response in this thread. I have 2 WUs, not Ws, so hopefully it doesnt affect the gpa..
 
Maybe this will help. As far as AMCAS is concerned a "W" is a withdrawal from the course within the specified period of time (say 2 months from the start of the course). This is NOT factored into your AMCAS GPA, but you do have to list it when listing courses. Here is a site that explains the differences between all the different withdrawals

http://www.fingerlakes.edu/academics/academic_standards.html.

To my knowledge, WU grades are converted to F by AMCAS. Hopefully this helps.
 
Why didn't you just defer the jury duty?

10 W's eh? Did you get in, in one go or did it take a few times? Just wondering. 😕


I felt like it was my duty to serve, and during the juror selection process, I told them that I was a full time student with a 30 hrs/week job. I talked to my profs about it, and no one voiced any objection as I was in the top of my class and felt like I could easily do the work from home. I had no idea jury duty would last as long as it did, and since I had to keep my regular job in order to pay the rent and eat, I had to give up all but 2 classes (a 2 hour cell biology lab and a 1 hour shadowing course on medicine) which were both held in the evening.

I did get in my first try. I took my only MCAT in Aug 2005, interviewed in Dec 2005, accepted Jan 2006 and started med school in Aug 2006
 
They will be translated into F's when you apply (at most schools). The mentality is "why would you drop unless you were already failing?"

That is not the truth at all. I had to drop a class mid semester because I missed an exam (overslept) and my prof. wouldn't let me take it so that would drop my grade from an A to a C and I was definitely not about to take a C in a course I could have had an A in had I not missed that exam.
 
I'm wondering if anyone would take a look at my PS and see if they have any comments or suggestions on how I explained the situation. PM me if interested. Thanks.
 
The AAMC is has nothing to do with admission to a school. I have had schools tell me they translate W's into F's when calculating his or her GPA. This may not be the case all at schools....just the 3 I have talked to.

Can you post the name of the school that do this because of all the schools in contacted so far, none of them say they will do this and they will follow the AAMC GPA given to them.
 
I have 11 Ws total 😱 on my 3 transcripts (6Ws from one school). However, I've had 6 interviews so far 😉 and to my surprise only 2 of these schools wanted me to explain my withdrawals :scared: . And one of those 2 accepted me 😛 Guys, don't doubt the efficacy of prayers. 🙂
 
Yah...um schools don't translate W's to F's in my experience. I am the queen of withdrawals (over 20 at least), resulting from 3 years of craziness (mom died, father-in-law became ill, husband stationed overseas, heart problems, house burned down, father-in-law dies). I explained it in secondaries and even briefly mention my "obstacles" in my PS. I have gotten 13 interviews and 2 acceptances so it obviously wasn't that big of a deal to them. Whether or not it will keep me out of top tier schools remains to be seen, but it wasn’t the death sentence I had feared.
 
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