Question errors on the DAT - the ADA needs to make some changes!!!!!!!

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A few days ago I read a thread started by Joefosho315 regarding a question error in the GC section of the real DAT. Joe I hope you dont mind me quoting you here:
"Problems during the exam: So everything was going smoothly during the science section, until I hit the 2nd to last question or so on the gchem section. I don't know exactly what was going on, but it was a question about radioactive decay I believe, but the equation was not displaying properly. The numbers and elements were distorted so that I could net tell which elements and which isotopes were being created or emitted. For example, it would display hydrogen as H 7 3 2 and nitrogen as 1 4 4 1 N. I was really confused as to what was happening, and started panicking, so spent at least 6 minutes trying to figure out how to solve the problem."

I took my DAT in January and had the same question and the same problems with it. Additionally I had a problem on the orgo section where the the carbons of the carbon backbone were not properly connected. I know many others have had these same problem and I have spoken to several people who have contacted the ADA regarding these issues but I am disappointed to see that there is nothing we are able to do. It seems suspicious to that whenever someone has a problem with something on their exam, the ADA seems unable to help. Instead, they give you Kathy Hinshaw's fax number to which we are supposed to fax a written complaint. Her usual reply is that retaking the exam is the only thing we can do. In speaking to many people about this issue I have learned that her responses never include discussion about the erroneous question. There is never any confirmation as to whether or not the question was, in fact, erroneous, or if it was correct as written and intended to be depicted as such.

Im sure Im not the only person who feels that we deserve a better explanation about these errors that commonly appear on the DAT. In my opinion, they are purposefully incorporated into the exam as time traps. If that is the case, I still feel that the ADA should inform us that such questions may be incorporated so that we know what to expect and how to better prepare for such a situation. As test takers, I believe that we have that right.

With all this said, I was wondering what other experiences people have had with erroneous DAT questions and how they have gotten their issues resolved? Has anyone been able to receive more information about their specific problem than just a simple reply stating that the exam could be voided and a retake granted?

My point for this post is that if we cant get more answers there is a flaw with the system and we need to do something about it. I personally intend to contact Kathy regarding this issue, and Im interested to hear about other peoples' experiences.

Thanks for you comments.
 
Not only I had the exact same erroneous problem but I also had TWO questions with FOUR answer choices!
 
Guys in every cycle months or so, 15% of questions and test strategies are experimental. YOu will get your points for them anyways. But they have statistical significance. Using those strategies and questions they want to know what % of students got the right and wrong and they'll decide based on those statistics to keep a question or throw them out. !!
 
Guys in every cycle months or so, 15% of questions and test strategies are experimental. YOu will get your points for them anyways. But they have statistical significance. Using those strategies and questions they want to know what % of students got the right and wrong and they'll decide based on those statistics to keep a question or throw them out. !!

there's no reason to experiment questions where the question itself is flawed and does not make sense.
 
Z3u2 - i agree. . .no need to test erroneous questions...
 
had the same question when I took it in July. What can we do about that? I spent a lot of time trying to figure what the question even meant because I knew radioactive decay inside out.

I don't think it's fair we have to dish out another $175 to retake the DAT and wait 3 months because we had an erroneous question. I thought it was my ignorance when taking the test but I guess it was a miswritten question. What do you guys think is a fair compromise?
 
OMG, i had the same exact question about the nuclear decay!!!! i was upset b/c that stuff is obviously really easy...

i took it three days ago, and when it came up on the screen I was unable to decipher what the proton and mass numbers were....so i quickly called over the proctor and she was like "uhh..i don't know what that means, let me call someone else over"...so i was like greattt and then this other lady comes over and tells me theres nothing they can do about it, all i can do is fill out a report with them and they will send it to the ADA.

so what do we do? I don't want to retake just cuz of that, although it did take up some time during my exam... blah
 
I had the same Gchem question on radioactive decay or nuclear fission or whatever with 1 4 4 1 N and 7 2 1 H.

I have called them several times the next morning, transferred around, and talked to this lady.
She said they were "working on" that problem, and as other SDNer said, my only option was to take it again on any day of my choice within 60 days of my original test date.

I am stilling thinking about it
 
Guys in every cycle months or so, 15% of questions and test strategies are experimental. YOu will get your points for them anyways. But they have statistical significance. Using those strategies and questions they want to know what % of students got the right and wrong and they'll decide based on those statistics to keep a question or throw them out. !!
Someone posted something similar to your response several weeks ago but they stated the experimental questions were only for the PAT portion. Does anyone know about this?
 
hmmm.... so if I tank my exam, then I can retake if I claim those errors were present... 😉 jk

that is very frustrating though. If you read through old posts, it seems like people are frequently discussing what they believe to be errors on different sections.
 
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Someone posted something similar to your response several weeks ago but they stated the experimental questions were only for the PAT portion. Does anyone know about this?
i remember hearing about this a long time ago, that there are questions on the PAT such that there's not really any correct answers, but any choice will get u the score.
As i heard, the reason for it is to stall you from finishing the exam on time. You are supposed to recognize, in a time-pressured situation, that certain questions may be too difficult to complete and not waste too much time on those questions.

it may only be a rumor though.
But rumor or not, it shouldn't really change how u approach the section. If you find something too difficult, skip it and come back later but never leave any questino blank.
 
Is there an answer or explanantion to this question? Has anyone figured what the ADA was trying to get at?
 
So 1-2 questions were screwed up and you blame it for a poor score? I am not trying to bash...just trying to see where you guys are coming from. Obviously the guys with 21's aren't complaining, even though they probably had the same questions.

Please fill me in as I find this intriguing.
 
There is no reasonable approach to this decay question. I have spoken to 2 phD's about it who both said that it makes no sense whatsoever. If the ADA is actually working on the question then what is taking them so long - I had this in January and it is still showing up on exams! Im taking the exam in August and I dont wanna have to deal with these problems again....
ps - 1992corolla - its not necessarily blaming for poor performance, its the fact that a 21 in section could have been a 22 or more...every point counts...
 
There is no reasonable approach to this decay question. I have spoken to 2 phD's about it who both said that it makes no sense whatsoever. If the ADA is actually working on the question then what is taking them so long - I had this in January and it is still showing up on exams! Im taking the exam in August and I dont wanna have to deal with these problems again....
ps - 1992corolla - its not necessarily blaming for poor performance, its the fact that a 21 in section could have been a 22 or more...every point counts...


Especially when people have been getting raped by word problem mania in Qr and are getting 14, 15 and 16's, every point does count especially when trying to salvage the damage this can do to your AA. One can only do their best with this ridiculous section and just race against time.
 
if the question keeps showing up on the exams from the beginning of the year then this question doesn't worth any points toward your dat score.
 
one or two questions is quite important actually because it just throws off your thinking...and wastes time during the test cuz i had to call the proctor over.. i also had less time to check over my science answers in the end, so yeah it does make a real big difference corolla... there is no need for these erroneous questions, its pretty ridiculous.
 
I had the same Gchem question on radioactive decay or nuclear fission or whatever with 1 4 4 1 N and 7 2 1 H.

I have called them several times the next morning, transferred around, and talked to this lady.
She said they were "working on" that problem, and as other SDNer said, my only option was to take it again on any day of my choice within 60 days of my original test date.

I am stilling thinking about it

I got the same exact question when I took the test yesterday. To be honest, it didn't majorly affect how I did on the rest of the test that much except for taking up time I needed to look over answers.
 
So 1-2 questions were screwed up and you blame it for a poor score? I am not trying to bash...just trying to see where you guys are coming from. Obviously the guys with 21's aren't complaining, even though they probably had the same questions.

Please fill me in as I find this intriguing.

i'm not complaining it over my score. In fact, i feel fortunate to have 21AA and 22GC. I actually feel they had counted me correct on that particular question, because i wasn't expecting more than 20 on GC.

I did not spend any more time on that question than any other questions. It was obvious to me that there was something wrong.

But i did feel "WTH", because we are paying hundreds of dollar to ADA for the exam, and dat has been there for decades, it's not anything new. I'd expect ADA to provide better quality software to display questions properly. This is a question, imo, if they had cared, they would have easily spotted the error.

at the end of my exam when i was giving feedback, i also talked about the monitor the test centre provided (the low refresh rate was really killing my eyes)

so i'm not complaining over the score, but just from a consumer's point of view, i'd expect ADA to do better.
 
I guess that if the question has been showing up quite readily than many others would get it too and it would balance out.

I remember a very weird block pattern for the counting cube sides section of the PAT. I starred it and went back to it when I was done and looked at it for 15 minutes. The thing was an impossible figure. A block was floating in the middle of the diagram with half of it showing it was a block and the other half showing it was empty space and not part of the diagram.

Either way if many people are taking the test and some score 16 and some score 22...well this isn't the difference between 1-2 questions. I think it is an excuse. I hope that wasn't too erroneous for you.

Another thing is that no matter how much anyone barks, it won't change. If you say that it was like this last year and many complained, well what good has it done. Take the lumps, retake if you have too (I did) and study hard so that one question will be the difference between a 22 and a 21, not a 16 and a 17.

Just wait until the hard year in dental school where questions are obviously wrong and the instructor could give a hoot...then what? Then you hope everyone else got it wrong too and that you knew the rest of the material well enough to pass.

I wasn't blaming anyone for whining, i was merely asking how this could be blamed for a poor score. Those of you who got 21's and crossed this and are still complaining - stop being so anal! A 21 is a great score and if you have 1/2 a brain and communication skills you should get in somewhere!
 
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Complaining on the forums won't get you anywhere nor will a bunch of people waiting for one person to call either. Stand up for yourselves if you want a change. I called a little too late today but I'll be calling first thing on Monday. I hope the rest of you do so we can get this figured out.
 
ADA Department of Testing Services
800-232-1694

Complaining on the forums won't get you anywhere nor will a bunch of people waiting for one person to call either. Stand up for yourselves if you want a change. I called a little too late today but I'll be calling first thing on Monday. I hope the rest of you do so we can get this figured out.

Weeeerd! Well said!
 
so I keep getting pushed around ADA and no one is responding to this question. IS it just me or is this ridiculous? Admissions committees place so much emphasis on this test and not only is it not proof-read for errors, but when you actually find one it's impossible to even address the situation! Doesn't it seem a little unfair that the only thing we can do is retake the test at our expense? I mean, that would hold our application from being reviewed for another month because of them. Can anyone think of a good compromise? Of course we're not going to get back the time we lost staring blankly at the erroneous question but do you think asking them to throw the question out would be asking for too much? would one question make much of a difference?
 
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