Question for efex101

[ZekeMD]

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efex101, I see that you are the only one so far that has been accepted to Mayo. Would you mind listing your stats? (GPA, major, MCATS, EC's) I'm curious as to what it takes to get in there. I feel that my application is very strong but haven't heard squat from them.

 

[Nor2themax]

efex has gotten in almost every school she applied to 🙂 She's a non-traditional too I think.

 

[efex101]

Zeke I PM'ed you my stats. I hate posting stats and all the numbers stuff because it really does not give a true picture of the depth and breadth of an applicant. I have been very lucky (well maybe not lucky but have worked really really hard) to gain acceptance to nine schools out of 11 interviews. I am still waiting to hear from 2, Yale and Wash U. I think that often times we forget that it is not just about numbers. For example some schools look really really hard at the amount of years that you have been involved in some activity, and it does not necessarily have to be health related. I am giving a seminar for pre-meds at my school soon and I will emphasize heavily this aspect.

 

[efex101]

Oh yeah I am totally non-trad he he.....late thirties yipeee!

 

[kito]

Efex is our hero!!

 

[ZekeMD]

Wow, I'm impressed. If I was on the committee I'd want you also. 🙂

 

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I hate to be the guy to have to throw this out their but I belive i read the efex in an URM too. So, while she/he obviously has some stellar stuff going for her, keep the whole picture in mind.

 

[botticelli]

efex, I believe you said in another thread about Wash U that you had already gotten scholarship offers from Vandy and Mayo - wow! I thought they did not offer scholarships until the spring? Tell us your secret!🙂

 

[dan0909]

Originally posted by hightrump
I hate to be the guy to have to throw this out their but I belive i read the efex in an URM too. So, while she/he obviously has some stellar stuff going for her, keep the whole picture in mind.

hahah...nahhhh comon hightrump...efex sounds like the real deal....quite the stelllar app

 

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Originally posted by dan0909
hahah...nahhhh comon hightrump...efex sounds like the real deal....quite the stelllar app

She applied to Meharry. Im not sure how many non-urms apply there. But i may just be guessing based on that and not have actually heard efex say it. It odd that she/he would leave that out if she/he was. anyway....no flames

 

[Megalofyia]

She may have just applied there because. There are non URM who apply there and even get accepted. Althought it's a small number.

 

[SonGoku]

Who cares if she is or isn't a URM. The fact remains that she has been accepted to 9 schools. 9 schools! That's amazing. My hats off to you, Efex.

 

[efex101]

You know, only on SDN...I applied to Meharry because I have been there, done research there, live near there, and it is a good school. Sometimes it is better to not say anything if you have nothing nice to say. Meharry is a great school and the people there are wonderful, the students are happy and they serve a very underserved area in Nashville.

 

[efex101]

Oh yeah and by the way I am a URM and proud of it here are my credentials for URMhood: female, non-traditional, mother of two, Gulf War veteran, Mexican-American, and to boot I am only 4"11 so there.

 

[evines]

But you are every bit of 5'6" in my mind, efex.

 

[Downhill Racer]

Efex--you rock! You're an inspiration to many of us on the forum. Best of luck in your medical education... and I think its great that you're helping out other pre-meds!

you're the classmate every medschool applicant aspires to have!

 

[TexasRose]

Hightrump's bein' a dork. Sour grapes are so ugly.

We should all have your stats and EC's and research, then we wouldn't be worrying so much about our chances! Course then they'd have to raise the bar... sigh, back to haunting the mail/email...

I applaud the work; blood sweat and tears that you have put into this, Efex.

Theresa

 

[efex101]

Hey guys thanks so much and by the way TheresaW you know your getting in, it's just that the Texas system does things their own way he he. Oh you guys really make me blush, I love you all good luck to everyone too! 😍

 

[dara678]

Originally posted by efex101
Oh yeah and by the way I am a URM and proud of it here are my credentials for URMhood: female, non-traditional, mother of two, Gulf War veteran, Mexican-American, and to boot I am only 4"11 so there.

Damn efex .... kudos to you ... i think you totally deserve whatever you've gotten, so don't let anyone get to you. Being a mother of two AND a GULF WAR veteran i think probably overshadows being a URM by miles and miles.

 

[Catalyst]

"Being a mother of two AND a GULF WAR veteran i think probably overshadows being a URM by miles and miles"

Yeah, I know, my God...

which leads to me to a curious question: efex101, what's your take on the current situation in Iraq? (getting ready to have this thread moved to the Republican Everyone forum)

 

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Hightrump's bein' a dork. Sour grapes are so ugly

im not doing this for my benifit. Its for the benifit of non-urms who think they can get accepted to EVERY top med school they apply to. It is an unrealistic expectation that should not be allowed to be created by imcomplete information. I chalenge you to find me an example of a non-urm with efex's track record.

Originally posted by SonGoku
Who cares if she is or isn't a URM. The fact remains that she has been accepted to 9 schools. 9 schools! That's amazing. My hats off to you, Efex.

Your right it is amazing. And with all of the stuff she mentioned I am quite sure she is superior to myself and 99% of other posters on this board. The fact remains that, due to the desire or schools to recruit URMs, to NOT know whether someone is URM or not is to get only 70-80% of the whole picture. I think it is VERY unlikley that even the best of the best non urm applicants would get into EVERY top school they applied at. She clearly deserves a top school, and its not like her getting accepted to many of them hurts anyone else...she can only take up on seat..and it will be one she deserves.....its just that it bothers me that she didnt offer this information up because it IS significant information.


You know, only on SDN...I applied to Meharry because I have been there, done research there, live near there, and it is a good school. Sometimes it is better to not say anything if you have nothing nice to say. Meharry is a great school and the people there are wonderful, the students are happy and they serve a very underserved area in Nashville.

only on SDN, what? I was astute enough to ask and I was right.
I have recieved multiple PMs thanking me for bringing this up. It matters. And if you want to put your career where your mouth is and go to meharry over a full ride to Mayo well........i would nominate you for sainthood. As far as saying nice things....ive been hearing that all my life....just wont sink in. Still congrats, youve obviously worked very hard and deserve to go to a top school.

 

[Catalyst]

oh god, just shut up

 

[persia]

I think that Hightrump brings up a very important point here. While it is a great accomplishment that our fellow member has gotten into so many places, it does seem important to also know the whole story.

I don't want to be flamed on this, but it is an open forum and I appreciate hearing both sides to a situation. The fact is, that URM status is an important part of an applicant's picture. If we don't know the whole story, we can't judge accurately.

 

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Originally posted by SachinG
oh god, just shut up

Hey, i asked a question. A question which turned out to be correct might I add. I dont have the problem here. I just wanted the whole story. im not alone on this.

 

[Megalofyia]

URM may be improtant.. but Mexican -Amercian status isn't really given as much status as one might think. I'm pretty sure it's not considered at Meharry not URM status but Mexican American status that is... and I know in Texas that Mexican American is not really considered an URM.

 

[TheFlash]

There's no need to be bashing hightrump just yet. He hasn't made any racist or whiny comments. He was just stating a fact. Being a URM is a statistic that significantly affects admissions, so what's wrong with knowing if someone is a URM or not?

Honestly, it's better to know if someone is one or the other, otherwise it falsely gives a distorted image of the applicant to other posters on this board. For example, if a URM poster says they got accepted to X school, I wouldn't be able to correctly gauge my non-URM self to X school with the aforementioned poster's stats. Same goes for me posting my stats and having a URM try to gauge his or her own chances at X school.

Let's all try to be civilized folks.

TF

 

[MEDicated]

efex = great premed candidate and URM

hightrump = jealous white guy, but no need to get flamed for bringing up a valid point ....... im jealous of efex too...she's perfect.

everyone stop flaming hightrump, he's being honest and admits in his posts that efex is a stellar candidate and better than all of us....and he's right, a white guy with great stats would not get into all top 9 med schools. Reality should not be criticized, but im sure ill even get crapped on for posting this

 

[pathdr2b]

Originally posted by MEDicated
and he's right, a white guy with great stats would not get into all top 9 med schools.

Did I miss something? I didn't realize that a white guy should be entitled to get in anywhere because he had stats like Efex101🙄 🙄

efex = great premed candidate and URM

I've got a better idea. How about Efex101 - great future MD. PERIOD!!!!!!!!

 

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ahh the refeshing fair and balanced opinon of pathdr2b.

 

[GoodMonkey]

Originally posted by pathdr2b
Did I miss something? I didn't realize that a white guy should be entitled to get in anywhere because he had stats like Efex101🙄 🙄

nobody said he was entitled.

 

[DMBUGA34]

Are Mexican-Americans considered URM's? I thought the only hispanics considered URM's were mainland-Puerto Ricans (not the ones from the island)

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by DMBUGA34
Are Mexican-Americans considered URM's? I thought the only hispanics considered URM's were mainland-Puerto Ricans (not the ones from the island)

By the old definion, Mexicans and Puerto Ricans were the only hispanics that were considered URMs. However, with the new definition, all hispanics are considered URMs.

 

[Megalofyia]

Originally posted by Slickness
By the old definion, Mexicans and Puerto Ricans were the only hispanics that were considered URMs. However, with the new definition, all hispanics are considered URMs.

Not really..that depends on where you are in the country. Texas for one does not consider hispanics necessarily to be URM. I think the Northeast is more likely to consider hispanics URM.

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by Megalofyia
Not really..that depends on where you are in the country. Texas for one does not consider hispanics necessarily to be URM. I think the Northeast is more likely to consider hispanics URM.

So are you saying that Texas has a lot of hispanic physicians and hispanic premeds applying to school. Last time I checked there is a shortage of hispanic physicians everywhere in the US.

 

[Megalofyia]

That may well be the case.. but I'm saying in the grand scheme of things in Texas they don't give hispanics an advantage in the application game. Now if your Indian or black that's another story.

 

[dan0909]

yah i know european hispanics arent considered URM...

puerto rican, mexican, cuban are URM, no? any other hispanics?

 

[Gleevec]

First off congratulations to efex, you really are on top of the world in terms of acceptances, and you will make a great doctor wherever you choose to go 😀

Secondly, back off of hightrump. All he did was ask for more information, and at no point did he insult or demean efex in anyway. In fact, he did the opposite by praising her.

As much as we hate to admit it, race is a major factor in admissions, similar to GPA or MCAT. Just because it's a contentious issue, don't automatically associate questions regarding it to be insulting or demeaning, especially since hightrump does in fact praise efex. If you are going to beat up on hightrump for asking about race, you should beat up on everyone else on this thread for asking for efex's MCAT, GPA, ugrad school, cat's name, etc. It's all just information, and efex can choose to provide it or not, it's her perogative.

So congratulations efex, you're truly an inspiration. And everyone should back off of hightrump, he simply wanted information and obviously meant no harm.

 

[Gleevec]

Originally posted by Megalofyia
That may well be the case.. but I'm saying in the grand scheme of things in Texas they don't give hispanics an advantage in the application game. Now if your Indian or black that's another story.

That's completely incorrect. Where did you get this information? All URMs are treated equally (within the group, that is) in the eyes of medschool adcoms. Just because there are a lot of hispanics in TX, that doesnt mean there are a lot in med school. In fact, if TX is attempting to achieve some ratio of hispanics in med school compared to the state's hispanic population, affirmative action is likely to be MORE potent. I have several hispanics friends, some who did MMEP, that have said things to a similar effect. Several Texas schools have minority recruiting programs that specifically offer scholarships to all hispanics (mexican-american, whatnot), in addition to those offered to other URMs. An URM is an URM is an URM. Whoever told you otherwise is completely misinformed.

I dont mean to add fuel to the fire, but are you a mexican-american Megalofyia?

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by Gleevec
That's completely incorrect. Where did you get this information? All URMs are treated equally (within the group, that is) in the eyes of medschool adcoms. Just because there are a lot of hispanics in TX, that doesnt mean there are a lot in med school. In fact, if TX is attempting to achieve some ratio of hispanics in med school compared to the state's hispanic population, affirmative action is likely to be MORE potent. I have several hispanics friends, some who did MMEP, that have said things to a similar effect. Several Texas schools have minority recruiting programs that specifically offer scholarships to all hispanics (mexican-american, whatnot), in addition to those offered to other URMs. An URM is an URM is an URM. Whoever told you otherwise is completely misinformed.

That's what I figured. Especially because they have a lot of hispanics living in Texas, hispanics would have even more of an advantage when applying. After all, Texas was a part of Mexico back in time.

 

[Megalofyia]

Originally posted by Gleevec
That's completely incorrect. Where did you get this information? All URMs are treated equally (within the group, that is) in the eyes of medschool adcoms. Just because there are a lot of hispanics in TX, that doesnt mean there are a lot in med school. In fact, if TX is attempting to achieve some ratio of hispanics in med school compared to the state's hispanic population, affirmative action is likely to be MORE potent. I have several hispanics friends, some who did MMEP, that have said things to a similar effect. Several Texas schools have minority recruiting programs that specifically offer scholarships to all hispanics (mexican-american, whatnot), in addition to those offered to other URMs. An URM is an URM is an URM. Whoever told you otherwise is completely misinformed.

I dont mean to add fuel to the fire, but are you a mexican-american Megalofyia?

I got the information from the dean of admissions at a Texas school.

 

[Gleevec]

Originally posted by Megalofyia
I got the information from the dean of admissions at a Texas school.

Which TX school? This is not at all what I have heard from my friends, but they might have gone to different schools.

Plus, it simply doesnt make sense. California has a ton of mexican americans, yet affirmative action is in as full force there as it is in Texas. Maybe its the policy of a single school, because from what I have heard from people, all that matters is that you are an URM.

In any case, the statement "mexican-americans don't receive affirmative action benefits in texas" is hard to swallow. And in fact, based on the kinds of incentives and programs texas schools have to attract hispanics and other minorities, I really dont know what this dean was referring to. A lot of these scholarships are targetted specifically towards mexican-american immigrant populations as well, which makes sense since TX has a shortage of mex-am physicians relative to its mex-am population.

 

[efex101]

I did not in any way find the comments about being a URM offensive. I did not bring it up because truly I believe that it has nothing to do with why I received scholarships or acceptances and if we stop posting about it maybe one day we will never have to put it on any application. I know for sure that some of the scholarships that I did receive are not based on URM status because when you get the letter of award, it does tell you what the scholarship entails and why you received it. I do know for a fact of *two* non-urm folks who also received full rides so no, I am not the only one receiving these. I know many many URMs that do not get accepted and have gone on interviews just as I did. I truly believe that my accomplishments is what pushed the envelope for me to get accepted not the color of my skin or my parental ancestry and most interviewers never knew of my URM status because many were closed file or he/she did not have time to go over my AMCAS. Yes, I know that a committee is the one that ultimately decides but regardless, I am confident in myself that I do know why I got in there is no doubt in my mind that it is because like all of you I worked my rear off.

To the poster that asked about my thoughts on Iraq...well it is getting out of hand and many soldiers are dying but, when you join the military that is a known risk that you have to assume. I was there during the first one and truly until you have been there you cannot see and understand the devastation and poverty that Sadam had facilitated. I will leave at that for now.

 

[pathdr2b]

Originally posted by hightrump
And if you want to put your career where your mouth is and go to meharry over a full ride to Mayo well

So Hightrump and any one else praising Hightrump's "honesty" if you can't see how inheritly racist this statement is, then your as blind as a bat. Most people would suggest an applicant attend the school that could give them the best education and was the best "fit" for them, so if Efex101 think's that school is Mayo, then so be it. So should all URM"s "put our money where our mouths are" and attend predominately URM insitutuion's? Sound alike a segregationist attitude to me🙄

 

[acab]

Efex,

You're a great applicant and got accepted to 9 so far (and more to come) based on all your accomplishments. Despite of many say, I believe your ethnicity/race did not get you these acceptances. Your hard work did! I know lots of URMs with good numbers (not excellent) that have not even interviewed anywhere. More power to you!
On my part, I'd be elated to have you in my class. We need more mature premeds (and I don't mean age).

 

[freesolo]

congrats! what an accomplishment

 

[Gleevec]

Originally posted by pathdr2b
So Hightrump and Good Monkey and any one else praising Hightrump's "honesty" if you can't see how inheritly racist this statement is, then your as blind as a bat. Most people would suggest an applicant attend the school that could give them the best education and was the best "fit" for them, so if Efex101 think's that school is Mayo, then so be it. So should all URM"s "put our money where our mouths are" and attend predominately URM insitutuion's? Sound alike a segregationist attitude to me🙄

I definitely dont' defend that comment by hightrump at all and I think its quite *****ic in fact, and missing the point.

What I do defend is this:
"Your right it is amazing. And with all of the stuff she mentioned I am quite sure she is superior to myself and 99% of other posters on this board. The fact remains that, due to the desire or schools to recruit URMs, to NOT know whether someone is URM or not is to get only 70-80% of the whole picture. I think it is VERY unlikley that even the best of the best non urm applicants would get into EVERY top school they applied at. She clearly deserves a top school, and its not like her getting accepted to many of them hurts anyone else...she can only take up on seat..and it will be one she deserves.....its just that it bothers me that she didnt offer this information up because it IS significant information.
" -- hightrump

 

[Tezzie]

I don't think that in the case of efex the URM status is relevant.

Efex is a great applicant. She has the numbers, golden ECs, research and i am pretty sure stellar LORs. Along with that it is understandable that she is a great person with a great personality which means she slaughtered in the interviews 🙂

If efex was a white male she would still have the same success. She is a great applicant PERIOD. Her URM wasn't the key for her success but her hard work.

Congratulations efex because you *TRULY* deserve it.

 

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Originally posted by pathdr2b
So Hightrump and Good Monkey and any one else praising Hightrump's "honesty" if you can't see how inheritly racist this statement is, then your as blind as a bat. Most people would suggest an applicant attend the school that could give them the best education and was the best "fit" for them, so if Efex101 think's that school is Mayo, then so be it. So should all URM"s "put our money where our mouths are" and attend predominately URM insitutuion's? Sound alike a segregationist attitude to me🙄

It sounds segragtionist to you beacuse your so hyersensitive. dont talk to me.

*edit* i know i shouldnt respond to this garbage but....my entire point is that she shouldnt go to meharry goofball. The segragationist would be the URM who went to meharry specificaly because it had more URMs than top schools which that person was alot accepted. (not saying efex is doing this.)

i dont defend that post by hightrump and i think its *****ic and missing the point

I made the original point and this new point.......how can i miss my own point?

I belive that meharry is a school of a much lower caliber than say Hopkins. I dont think this is contraversial. It bothers me that people are so PC about everything. You think efex, after working hard anough to get into those schools is going to settle for meharry? Heck no. It wont happen. It has NOTHING to do with the racial aspects....to praise any bottom of the barrel school and entertain the notion of going there after being accepted with schoolarship to all of the top ten is either being a fool or disengenous. I hove nothing against meharry, or any school for that matter. I think DO and carrebian schools as well are all serving an important purpose, making good doctors. but there IS IS IS a difference between some schools. To PRETEND that one would reject a school like harvard or mayo after being given a free ride for a school like meharry is nauseating. im sorry..its an insult to those of us not able to turn hopkins down. It dont see why everything has to be racial to everyone. Anyway....i suspected she was an URM and with the % of urms to non urs applying i had a 20 or so % chance of guessing right had my logic been flawed. But i did call it. Similarly i would bet that efex with NOT be going to a non top 20 school unless sothing crazy happens like she gets married to somone who wont move or somthing. Anyone wanna bet??? didnt think so.

sorry im in a bad mood.....

tezzie

you go from saying a white male would have the SAME success to saying being an urm merely wasnt the KEY to her success. Those are mutauly exclusive.

I could give a long agrument for why it is probable that even at the level she is at URM status could still play a role, but i wont. Ill just ask how you can admit that URM status matters for 99% of aplicants but then magicaly make NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL for the remaining 1%. What possible rationale could you have for that?

and if anyone new is gonna try and take a bite out of me please read all of my posts in this thread first.

 

[GoodMonkey]

Originally posted by pathdr2b
So Hightrump and Good Monkey and any one else praising Hightrump's "honesty" if you can't see how inheritly racist this statement is, then your as blind as a bat. Most people would suggest an applicant attend the school that could give them the best education and was the best "fit" for them, so if Efex101 think's that school is Mayo, then so be it. So should all URM"s "put our money where our mouths are" and attend predominately URM insitutuion's? Sound alike a segregationist attitude to me🙄

excuse me? find me the post where i praised anything. you are good at putting words in people's mouths... just don't do it with mine. apparently now i'm segregationist and saying all URMs should attend predominately URM institutions. give me a break. quit with your gross hyperbole and don't put such insulting exaggerated words into my mouth.

i have posted once on this thread and here is what i found:
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Originally posted by pathdr2b
Did I miss something? I didn't realize that a white guy should be entitled to get in anywhere because he had stats like Efex101

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Originally posted by GoodMonkey
nobody said he was entitled.
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[Gleevec]

Originally posted by pathdr2b
So Hightrump and Good Monkey and any one else praising Hightrump's "honesty" if you can't see how inheritly racist this statement is, then your as blind as a bat. Most people would suggest an applicant attend the school that could give them the best education and was the best "fit" for them, so if Efex101 think's that school is Mayo, then so be it. So should all URM"s "put our money where our mouths are" and attend predominately URM insitutuion's? Sound alike a segregationist attitude to me🙄

Also, I dont think people are praising hightrump as much as they are saying he's merely looking for information.

And hightrump, you are missing the point, efex's choice of med school is completely her own, and for you to suggest otherwise is complete naive and is in fact insulting. I perhaps have defended you in error then, and I take back any support I have provided. I thought you were just looking for more information, which is something I am always fine with. I didnt realize you were trying to guilt-trip someone about their med school selection. That is completely unacceptable.

Consider myself withdrawn from this discussion, I completely misunderstood hightrump's intentions and I do not support his argument at all within the context of depriving someone true freedom in their choice of med schools. Sorry for my confusion regarding hightrumps argument that might have indicated otherwise.

In any case, back to the topic at hand. Congratulations efex and tell us where ya end up, I would love to know. Truly inspirational.