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What are your experiences around patients, professors, etc? Did any seemed bothered by your tattoo? Do you feel they prejudged you in any way for it?

I'm an M1, debating on whether or not to get a tattoo (shoulder to forearm), should I wait til my rotations?Wait til residency? Wait til after residency?

Thanks.
 
I have a tattoo (frankly for no reason whatsoever, I just thought it'd be cool when i was younger) but it it's on my back, so not readily visible and i think you'd have to keep it covered in the hospital (aka no sleeve tats). Some attendings saw it in the locker room on surgery and obgyn, but had no problem with it. YMMV.
 
thank you sb247 and wordead for your responses.


I sincerely hope you're not going to become a doctor. We're going to have patients from all walks of life and won't be able to pick and choose patients that we deem acceptable looking/faith/etc. I hope you treat everyone fairly.


Those that go out of their way to attempt to put others down are simply trying to compensate for real life.
getting pushed around in real life + meek + no one respects you = Using the internet as an outlet and to try to empower yourself.
 
Im covered in them ( mostly hidden though ). Nobody seems to care. Granted You can only see a couple of my arm pieces.
 
I would wait - especially if you are considering a visible tattoo. While they are becoming more and more accepted, there is still a significant portion of our society that views tattoos negatively.
 
thank you sb247 and wordead for your responses.



I sincerely hope you're not going to become a doctor. We're going to have patients from all walks of life and won't be able to pick and choose patients that we deem acceptable looking/faith/etc. I hope you treat everyone fairly.


Those that go out of their way to attempt to put others down are simply trying to compensate for real life.
getting pushed around in real life + meek + no one respects you = Using the internet as an outlet and to try to empower yourself.

I don't have a problem with tattoos (or steroids, I guess). It's just interesting that you have asked about steroid use and whether or not getting a tattoo would have negative effects on your career. You clearly recognize that some people in society look down on certain physical apperances. So either you are a troll, or you want the internet to tell you that using steroids or getting a tattoo doesn't lead to being judged negatively.

If you have to ask, just don't do it. Self expression is important, but barring a cultural or religious belief there is no reason to get a tattoo (especially something conspicuous as a half sleeve) as a medical student.
 
I sincerely hope you're not going to become a doctor. We're going to have patients from all walks of life and won't be able to pick and choose patients that we deem acceptable looking/faith/etc. I hope you treat everyone fairly.

I always enjoy it when people on SDN dust off this particular chestnut...

YOUR DEMEANOR ON AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD IS AWFUL. THEREFORE, I HAVE JUDGED THAT YOU ARE OR ARE GOING TO BE A HORRIBLE PHYSICIAN. YOU PROBABLY HAVE POOR PERSONAL HYGIENE AND CLUB BABY SEALS TOO!!
 
I always enjoy it when people on SDN dust off this particular chestnut...

YOUR DEMEANOR ON AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD IS AWFUL. THEREFORE, I HAVE JUDGED THAT YOU ARE OR ARE GOING TO BE A HORRIBLE PHYSICIAN. YOU PROBABLY HAVE POOR PERSONAL HYGIENE AND CLUB BABY SEALS TOO!!

You're forgetting the obligatory "I FEEL BAD FOR YOUR PATIENTS".

As to the OP - If you really want one, I'd recommend a place where it isn't readily visible in scrubs. A shoulder/back one should be fine, but a full arm sleeve might get some looks, especially during med school/residency. One of my friends has an upper back tattoo, another one has one on his proximal arm (in a location where bikers get 'Mom' with a heart through it tattooed on them)
 
I second the sentiments of those above.. if you're going to get it, get it somewhere it won't be visible. Although, I go to school with a guy who is completely tatted up from his chest/back down to his legs (sleeves and... leggings?). Who knows how his attendings/residents will react to it 3rd and 4th year. The best you could hope for is that your higher-ups don't care about it whereas the worst is that they see it as a negative thing and don't want to hire you; no reason to shoot yourself in the foot.
 
What are your experiences around patients, professors, etc? Did any seemed bothered by your tattoo? Do you feel they prejudged you in any way for it?

I'm an M1, debating on whether or not to get a tattoo (shoulder to forearm), should I wait til my rotations?Wait til residency? Wait til after residency?

Thanks.

The answers to your questions are obvious. Whether having a visible tattoo is right or wrong, there are people who deem them to be unprofessional in the medical field.
 
I have visible tattoos on my arms, however I can cover them with something like a thermal or under-armor, which I've had to do often due to hospital policy. There was no way around them being visible during surgery (not going into surgery). . . maybe surgeons judged me but I never noticed, at most I got a good-natured ribbing, which happens often and as long as you can brush it off it shouldn't really bother you. I have however gotten nasty judgmental comments from nurses, usually the 60 something crotchety type, go figure. . . they must talk to my grandma.
 
Doctors and patients are people. Just like some people in society won't care about tattoos and other will judge you for it, the same holds true in the hospital. I've encountered several attendings who made off-handed remarks about tattoos (after confirming that I had none). Patients, especially in conservative areas or with older patient populations, have a greater chance of viewing visible tats as unprofessional.

If you're going to get one, and if you're remotely worried about the possibility of being judged for it (since you asked on SDN, I'm assuming you are) it'd be foolish to get it in any location clearly visible when you're in scrubs. Shoulders, back. I'd avoid the forearms.
 
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I personally love seeing really intricately detailed tattoos as artworks on certain people, but for me there's really gotta be some personal or emotional attachment to getting one.

Let's see what you had in mind? I'll be the judge of it :]
 
In my experience within the professional world, the story behind your tattoos -- especially if they are visible -- is a large determining factor of how accepted your tattoos will be by your peers, and in this case the patients you will interact with (your patients will almost certainly ask about it).

For example, if you have a full sleeve(s) I think you are far better off if the reason you got it was because you were a Green Berrett for 8 years and would get a tattoo after every combat deployment to honor your fallen brothers, as opposed to getting a sleeve for the heck of it.

Just my 2 cents.
 
One of my good buddies has a tattoo. He says his tat helps him bond with his patients. But then again, he practices in the South Bronx.
 
i thought tats would be more popular in the medical field given the widespread manipulation of needles.
 
if I was an attending I would look down on a tramp stamp (a concealable tattoo) and would high-five a someone with a cool full forearm.
Guyz just wait till I run my own program, the tats will add points to residency applications.
 
4th year going EM. I have several visible tattoos when wearing scrubs on surgical rotations, half-sleeve and chest piece. I've definitely gotten someone looks but I feel if you carry yourself with confidence and work hard on rotations nobody will hold it against you. Surgeons have either joked about me being a "badass" or "thug", which I laughed along, or given me compliments on the artwork, Honored my surgery rotations with my tats out and hair long. I say if you seriously put in thought about getting tattoos don't be a coward and be pressured by what everybody else says.
 
tattoos are for degenerates.
And mommies. 😉

I have a visible tattoo on my forearm, one that covers most of my back, and a sometimes visible tiny one on the back of my neck. My game plan is to not give ****s about what other people think and be awesome. That's worked for my whole life now, so I'm just gonna stick with it. 😀
 
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I am working with an artist to touch up a 911/WTC memorial tattoo. It is quite visible when scrubbing in for surgery or cath lab. If a resident or attending wants to hold that against me when it comes to my evaluations, I have a cinder block to feed them.
 
thank you sb247 and wordead for your responses.

I sincerely hope you're not going to become a doctor. We're going to have patients from all walks of life and won't be able to pick and choose patients that we deem acceptable looking/faith/etc. I hope you treat everyone fairly.

Those that go out of their way to attempt to put others down are simply trying to compensate for real life.
getting pushed around in real life + meek + no one respects you = Using the internet as an outlet and to try to empower yourself.

Medicine is a relatively conservative profession. Whether you like it or not, a set of rules that applies to your patients does not apply to you. Patients WILL judge you accordingly if they see a tattoo, just like they will judge how you dress. Getting a tattoo is no where similar to a patient whose circumstances they can't control.
 
I would wait - especially if you are considering a visible tattoo. While they are becoming more and more accepted, there is still a significant portion of our society that views tattoos negatively.

Yeah, like most attendings, except maybe certain specialties (i.e. EM doctors)
 
thank you sb247 and wordead for your responses.



I sincerely hope you're not going to become a doctor. We're going to have patients from all walks of life and won't be able to pick and choose patients that we deem acceptable looking/faith/etc. I hope you treat everyone fairly.


Those that go out of their way to attempt to put others down are simply trying to compensate for real life.
getting pushed around in real life + meek + no one respects you = Using the internet as an outlet and to try to empower yourself.

premed spotted
 
I am covered in visible tattoos: I have a full sleeve to the wrist of my right arm, and a half sleeve on my left arm. These are no trouble in clinic or hospitalist rotations as you can just wear a white coat and/or dress shirt. The trouble I did have was in the OR when they were visible. I had even been "reported" by one of the staff in a rotation I thought I was well liked (my mistake) - nothing came of this though.
 
I am covered in visible tattoos: I have a full sleeve to the wrist of my right arm, and a half sleeve on my left arm. These are no trouble in clinic or hospitalist rotations as you can just wear a white coat and/or dress shirt. The trouble I did have was in the OR when they were visible. I had even been "reported" by one of the staff in a rotation I thought I was well liked (my mistake) - nothing came of this though.

Exhibit A, my friends.

Nothing came of it, obviously, bc you can't really do anything about a permanent tattoo (well you can, but it would cost quite a bit out-of-pocket). I'm sure it was a remark on your "professionalism" (I don't agree with it, I'm just saying that's the guise that the concern will be under).
 
Reported for what? Unless you have inappropriate things in your tattoos, I don't get it.

Apparently the hospital employees had a dress code in their contract which stated "no tattoos before the sleeve line," which a full tattoo violates. Nothing came of this because I was a university employee (no P&P on tattoos) and not a hospital employee.

Also my tattoos are in good taste and I have experienced more encounters that helped me establish rapport than I have anger/disgust/judging

Although someone recently correlated my number of tattos with my inability to read chest xrays.
 
I have erased what I initially posted.
 
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it isn't just other medical professionals that will view you negatively

my friends with tats still view doctors with tats negatively. strong double standard i know. people idealize doctors.
 
In my experience within the professional world, the story behind your tattoos -- especially if they are visible -- is a large determining factor of how accepted your tattoos will be by your peers, and in this case the patients you will interact with (your patients will almost certainly ask about it).

For example, if you have a full sleeve(s) I think you are far better off if the reason you got it was because you were a Green Berrett for 8 years and would get a tattoo after every combat deployment to honor your fallen brothers, as opposed to getting a sleeve for the heck of it.

Just my 2 cents.

LMAO i can just see the medical equivalent of that

"each star represents 10 patients whose lives i've saved"

in hospitals where having a visible tat is a violation of dress code, would it be acceptable to wear an arm sleeve like in the NBA lol
 
I am covered in visible tattoos: I have a full sleeve to the wrist of my right arm, and a half sleeve on my left arm. These are no trouble in clinic or hospitalist rotations as you can just wear a white coat and/or dress shirt. The trouble I did have was in the OR when they were visible. I had even been "reported" by one of the staff in a rotation I thought I was well liked (my mistake) - nothing came of this though.

Medicine, which has on the surface quickly become a super liberal overly-PC field where you are considered horribly offensive if you don't recognize things like alternative genders, is still deep down stupidly conservative. There are a set of rules for your image: dress shirt, tie, white coat, polished shoes, short hair, no piercings, no tattoos. Does it matter that ties and white coats are filthy fomites and are proven to increase infections in hospital? Nope. Does it matter that you can do your job just as effectively in blue jeans (as many do in europe)? Nope. Is it sexist that women can have long hair and piercings but men can't? Maybe. It sure is ironic in a field that is supposedly so liberal and outwardly inclusive.

There are reasonable, progressive people in medicine and there are old school types who thinks anybody who doesn't fit the above image is a dirty hippie and on "the drugs." The former, by their nature, don't give a sh|t about what you do and won't cause you any trouble. Whereas the latter will go out of their way to try to eliminate people who are "different" because they are insecure little men. I recently watched an attending observe a foreign student wearing blue jeans with a white coat. The person in question was probably 50 ft. away, but the guy caught it out of the corner of his eye, watched intently for about 5 minutes (it took me a while to realize what the hell had caught this guy's attention and that he wasn't seizing), and then over the next hour or so, pull about 5 different people aside to whisper and gossip about it. I observed the same thing a year prior where apparently emails had been sent out in another department and the entire staff was gossiping about it so that the daily convo was whether the "blue jean talk" had occurred yet. It blew my mind that it was that big of a deal. Because when it comes down to it, they are goddammed cotton blue pants with a unique pattern. That's it. Non-patterned blue cotton pants are allowed.

Anyway, the entire point of all this silliness is that we follow these rules for the same reason the pilots who step on your airplane are wearing funny uniforms with a big hat and wings and stripes on their jacket. It engenders trust in the hundreds of souls who are putting their lives in their hands. The reason American Airlines doesn't let their pilots bust into the plane wearing flip flops, cargo pants, and giant holes in their ears is largely the same reason doctors get warned to lose the long hair, cover the tattoos, and not be seen carrying around a motorcycle helmet.
 
I am covered in visible tattoos: I have a full sleeve to the wrist of my right arm, and a half sleeve on my left arm. These are no trouble in clinic or hospitalist rotations as you can just wear a white coat and/or dress shirt. The trouble I did have was in the OR when they were visible. I had even been "reported" by one of the staff in a rotation I thought I was well liked (my mistake) - nothing came of this though.

Any problems with surgeons?

I'll be applying to surgery and am getting ready to go on audition rotations. I'm wondering what problems I'll have with the 4" long tattoo on the anterior of my forearm. It's hidden except for when I wear scrubs. I haven't gotten any flak for it locally but wondering what I'll face over the next few months.

Anyway, the entire point of all this silliness is that we follow these rules for the same reason the pilots who step on your airplane are wearing funny uniforms with a big hat and wings and stripes on their jacket. It engenders trust in the hundreds of souls who are putting their lives in their hands. The reason American Airlines doesn't let their pilots bust into the plane wearing flip flops, cargo pants, and giant holes in their ears is largely the same reason doctors get warned to lose the long hair, cover the tattoos, and not be seen carrying around a motorcycle helmet.
Oddly enough, the family practice doc I rotated with has tattoos up both forearms (neither arm qualifies as sleeves just a bunch of random tattoos), rides a Harley, and took a week off to go to Sturgis then came back and spent two weeks talking to his patients about it. He was kind of a nut. In a good way.
 
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