Questions re application

[BaZzA]

Gday guys,

I currently live in Australia n was plannin to do medicine in india next yr – n then hopefully specialise from us or uk.

Just wanted some help in regards to a two things.

1) Generally speaking, how is doing medicine in india valued? I was thinking of doing it in Punjab (Ranjindra maybe) or AIIMS. And is it recognised everywhere (so for later specialising to be problem free?)

2) What is the procedure for postgrad specialising in the US? So ive done internship n all else relating to mbbs – so now what do i do to go onto specialise in US/UK?

Thanks a lot,
Baz

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[uhoh!]

I currently live in Australia n was plannin to do medicine in india next yr – n then hopefully specialise from us or uk.
word of advice..straight away get to a Med School in the US, if that's an option. or even the Caribs. or even Australia..why india? is it easier to get into/ get through? or is it because it is shorter?
1) Generally speaking, how is doing medicine in india valued? I was thinking of doing it in Punjab (Ranjindra maybe) or AIIMS. And is it recognised everywhere (so for later specialising to be problem free?)
AIIMS is known worldwide. awesome place. JIPMER, CMC are also world famous. Rajindra, maybe not so much. to tell you the truth, i haven't heard of it. but then, i haven't heard of many, many great places..still, don't think any of them can honestly be compared to AIIMS/JIPMER/CMC kind of places..
i am also wondering if you are planning to give their enterance exams, or know of "another" way? i ask because many of these great places hav exclusive enterance exams, and the competition is intense...no pressure, i'm just curious..

2) What is the procedure for postgrad specialising in the US? So ive done internship n all else relating to mbbs – so now what do i do to go onto specialise in US/UK?
give the USMLEs, get great scores(!), get ECFMG Certified,

be some Prof's biotch to get some "Research Experience"(or even publish),

suck up to Profs to give GREAT Letters of Recco(which they don't care about/don't have any idea about at all, so you will end up either a) writing your own letter & stalk them for like a year to sign it, or b) getting an absolutely horrid letter, which your mum wouldn't have given birth to you if she had read),

decide which stream(multiple if you are still hazy after the "internship learning experience", more $$ down the drain..)

apply to very highly regarded programs of your choice, and some "lesser" ones as "backup, you know, in case..",

hope and pray you get interview calls from the "top" programs of your choice ,

hope and pray you get interviews at the "backup" programs atleast(and thank your lucky stars you applied there as well) ,

spend **** loads of $$ going to interviews and asking the same, inane questions, getting the same answers where, to paraphrase LADoc00 "(all the faculty) say 'Rah-Rah,We own' and they pack you off with a stale cafeteria cookie, if you are lucky",

hope and pray you match (if not, scramble like mad),

hope and pray the program you matched is not a pile of crock, but is, infact, all that you thought it was in your 1/2 day "comprehensive" interview,

hope and pray your visa comes through on time

...if all this works out ok, you begin your Residency.

maybe i'm a bit off, but i am right in the middle of this process, so might come off sounding more cynical/ irritated..
seriously, you have to do more than the American Medical Grads to get into the place of your choice. hence, my suggestion to go to Med School in the US/Caribs(can do rotations in the US) if you have a choice. if not, i guess Aus is as good a place to do Med School in prep to go to the US as any.
india IS a great place to learn medicine, no doubt. however, i wouldn't recommend it as the place to go as first choice if you plan to go to the US/UK for post-grad/residency anyway.

Hope this helps.

sorry, but no info about the UK.

 

[BaZzA]

Gday m8,

Thanks for the help, just had a few queries left.

A) India --> easier to get in than AUS (cause basically aus is split into postgrad seats and undergrad -- both are extremely competitive with seats filled with bozos who got forced to do med by parents than themselves wanting it)

also, india is shorter -- as postgrad here kinda like US -- gotta get bachelor degree (but im in double degree, so mines 5yrs)

B) Regarding the top institutions in india, is manipal considered one of top (whats the full name of this one? seem to be having confusions over states n colleges :S)

C) Where are you atm? What procedure did u follow? Why did u choose to do it in india?

Thanks a ton m8,
B

 

[uhoh!]

Happy New Year!!
sorry for not replying sooner..

A) India --> easier to get in than AUS

i really doubt it. really.

(cause basically aus is split into postgrad seats and undergrad -- both are extremely competitive with seats filled with bozos who got forced to do med by parents than themselves wanting it)

as in india. one of those worldwide trends which proves we are all the same within.

also, india is shorter

true. however, india's med colleges lack the standardization required of the US schools. not all med schools provide the same facilities and training. that is a major pitfall of getting into med school in india. be very, very careful before jumping into a med school in india.

B) Regarding the top institutions in india, is manipal considered one of top (whats the full name of this one? seem to be having confusions over states n colleges :S)

i might ruffle a few feathers here, but i dont think it is a "top place", except in a few newspaper/ magazine ratings which are questionable anyhow.. my reason is as follows : among indians, people who go to Private Colleges are mostly those who couldn't get into Government-sponsored colleges(like the State Schools in the US). i say Govt schools are better because not only are those a whole lot less expensive, by virtue of providing free treatment to people, these schools attract a whole lot of patients of all walks of life and all stages of a disease. also, the people in there are the ones who worked their a$$es off to get in, and are obviously really bright(about 1 in 10,000 or more gets in). staying with these guys makes one try harder, and so achieve more..and that is what is lacking in the training in a private college where a fat bank balance gets anyone in as a student and, sadly, also as a patient. lower patient loads make for less learning, esp in a field as hands-on as medicine. as a med student, i could put up with the lack of a lot of sophisticated equipment and creature comforts as i didn't know jack about the basics and medicine is a field where the more you see the better you get. Govt med schools give the opportunity to learn by brute force of patient load(mine was a 1500 bed hospital)..especially during training. i believe in working hard as a student so i dont have to work hard as an attending. i didnt have the luxury of having manipal as a choice, so i don't really know a whole lot about it, not even its real,complete name - a topic, i notice, which has vexed you for some time now.

C) Where are you atm? What procedure did u follow? Why did u choose to do it in india?

atm, i am looking to begin my residency in Pathology this year. i have applied and am in the middle of interview season. i did my med school in india, in a state-sponsored school in Delhi. it was a good place, and i have seen things you wouldnt believe..however, india is not the best place to train as a resident, especially because of a reservation system which screws me over big time..

hope this helps!

 

[DrGarfield]

No matter which college you choose, Manipal, AIIMS or CMC Vellore, if you are an Indian Medical Graduate, you HAVE to clear the USMLE all 3 parts for specializing in USA, PLAB for going for that to the UK, and AMC for Australia. So doing medicine in India is good only for them who either live in India, or want to stay back and practise in India itself.
If you HAVE to prepare for exams after finishing the medical schools anyways, why don't go for some back where you are right now and finish it off within Australia?

Don't go juggling- straight line is always the shortest distance between two points.