quitting private practice

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Gotta love the sharks thinking he makes 500,000-1 million a year...

This is why I say let DNPs take care of people like that so they can see the difference.
 
Gotta love the sharks thinking he makes 500,000-1 million a year...

This is why I say let DNPs take care of people like that so they can see the difference.


those comments are disheartening...what would they do if their income was cut by 50% over 6 years...crazy
 
These comments reflect what much of the general public thinks about physicians. It's not based on nothing (there are some filthy rich docs such as ortho and derm and radiologists, especially folks who begun practice in the 1970s and 1980's). However, it doesn't reflect the current reality in primary care or fields like neurology, nor the lifestyle/income that most of us training now will likely have.

Also, people are doing more tuition to go to med school than ever before, and doing more and more to get in med school it seems...i.e. extra master's degrees, expensive prep courses, etc. My debt was 132k when I graduated 4.5 years ago and I basically only borrowed my tuition. And I've been paying it off at >500/month on my resident and fellow salaries...I don't mind that but what is shocking is how little of the money goes to principle...and for students with larger loans it's going to be much worse. Also, my student loan interest rates are very low...I'm paying 2.9%, not 6.8% like most of the current students will pay. The public doesn't have any concept what kind of time it takes to become a physician and what kind of money one has to pay to do that...shortest path would be 4 years undergrad + 4 years med school + 3 years residency, but realistically there are many, many people who are doing more than that. Extra master's degrees, research years that pay little, etc. And 3 years is the very shortest residency that one can do...
One thing that would make sense to me is for med schools to do a better job of controlling tuition, and also for residents to get paid a little more, in the recognition of the large student loans most of them have and long hours they work. I just don't see either of these things happening, though.

If the reimbursement situation doesn't change, we'll see a continued decline in private practice docs, except those in the huge "supergroups" like groups of 50 urologists or oncologists. Personally, I don't think this is a good thing for patients. It represents fewer choices for them - some prefer a more personal type of medical care, and some docs prefer to practice that way. I'd personally rather practice in a group of 5 docs than a group of 50 or 500...but realistically I may not feel it's a safe option given the current situation w/gov't and insurance companies basically having physicians by the b-lls.
 
Neurology private groups are collapsing RIGHT AND LEFT at the moment. No one has satisfactorily explained to me why but I suspect some small CPT reimbursement change caught them all by suprise. Let all the med students considering neurology be warned, this is really serious IMO.

I want every resident/attending/medical student to read the comments below the article. Notice how degenerate American proletariat so readily disdains any sense a physician should be adequately compensated, this is what we are facing.
 
The comments below the article cleary show a disdain for paying those who sacrificed and underwent this rigorous process to become a physician. These very same people are likely demanding to see a physician and not a nurse practitioner when they require health care.
 
The comments below the article cleary show a disdain for paying those who sacrificed and underwent this rigorous process to become a physician. These very same people are likely demanding to see a physician and not a nurse practitioner when they require health care.

Even the pre-meds are like this. I posted this article for them. Half of them say hes a money chaser.
 
I think the reality is that socialize medicine is already here and its been here for a while. How else can you explain that physician salaries are not controlled by supply and demand, but really is controlled by government-set prices. And they have the right to change those prices at anytime. It just happens that there are loop holes which allow for some physician to make more money than others. The smarter, more ambitious one choose to use those loopholes to their benefit. But I feel that within the next few years, those holes will start to close and eventually our system will be more like that in Canada.
 
. But I feel that within the next few years, those holes will start to close and eventually our system will be more like that in Canada.


You do realize that GPs in Canada make an average of 190-200k, right?

Love Americans and how ignorant they are of anything said outside of Foxnews 🙂
 
What you guys are ignoring about the story is how ugly the doctor is and how that plays into people's opinion.

If he had a good pic taken or was a handsome man, then almost all comments would have been positive.
 
Neurology private groups are collapsing RIGHT AND LEFT at the moment. No one has satisfactorily explained to me why but I suspect some small CPT reimbursement change caught them all by suprise. Let all the med students considering neurology be warned, this is really serious IMO.

I think that in the past it might have been easier to start your own practice, as currently medical school debt is very large and add to that that if you want your own practice you will have to probably borrow a good size loan for buying/renovating office space and also you will need to do a lot of paperwork to get your license and setup deals with insurance companies. Also, running a business requires additional skills and extra time. For some neurologists it is worth it to be in charge of personel in the office, etc . . . but others want to focus on neurology and forget the business aspect of it. Generally a lot of neurologists very much enjoy the relative freedom of private practice. The best deal for many is to join an already established group practice so you don't have to do a lot of the startup work yourself.
 
What you guys are ignoring about the story is how ugly the doctor is and how that plays into people's opinion.

If he had a good pic taken or was a handsome man, then almost all comments would have been positive.

The look on that doc's face is classic - perfectly summarizing all that I can't stand about office based medicine.

Oh, and my favorite comment by far:

"And word to the wise- Doctors do CRAP in the hospital- nurses do the work while doctors sign scripts for orders nurses have placed. Ridiculous" 😱
 
There are a growing # of private practice doctors who are switching to: group practice; salaried position; hospital faculty; concierge practice; non-clinical medicine; or something else.
 
I think the reality is that socialize medicine is already here and its been here for a while. How else can you explain that physician salaries are not controlled by supply and demand, but really is controlled by government-set prices. And they have the right to change those prices at anytime. It just happens that there are loop holes which allow for some physician to make more money than others. The smarter, more ambitious one choose to use those loopholes to their benefit. But I feel that within the next few years, those holes will start to close and eventually our system will be more like that in Canada.
Ive always maintained that.. We are socialized already. The government tells you what you can charge regardless of your expenses. Thats no way to stay in business for long.
 
One consequence of private practice becoming less desirable is academic practice becoming more desirable. There may be more competition for these positions and the quality of teaching/research may improve, lifting the entire healthcare system.

I'm just trying to see the silver lining here.🙂

I still think it is a complete tragedy that any doc is effectively forced out of private practice because the work/benefit ratio is so unsatisfactory (and by benefit, I mean not only compensation but respect, autonomy, etc).
 
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