RadOnc vs. Derm $

[DonaldDraper]

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First post! For all intensive purposes, derm and rad onc are great lifestyle specialties and are ultra competitive and have different patient cohorts. How would you compare the compensations from both fields?

 

[Hah]

They are both rich to the point where the difference doesn't really matter.

 

[Narmerguy]

Whichever field you're most interested in when that time comes since they are two very different fields.

 

[G Darn Pissed]

I'm sorry, but what are "intensive" purposes? Do they not depend on the purpose size or the amount of material in the purpose?

In that case, I would assume the question would not be about how much money is involved (extensive purpose) but in your innate interest in the field (intensive purpose)

😛

 

[CaptainSSO]

I'm sorry, but what are "intensive" purposes? Do they not depend on the purpose size or the amount of material in the purpose?

In that case, I would assume the question would not be about how much money is involved (extensive purpose) but in your innate interest in the field (intensive purpose)

😛

Awesome.

 

[deleted307836]

i'm sorry, but what are "intensive" purposes? Do they not depend on the purpose size or the amount of material in the purpose?

In that case, i would assume the question would not be about how much money is involved (extensive purpose) but in your innate interest in the field (intensive purpose)

😛

win

 

[CaptainSSO]

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[WingedOx]

Derm: requires outstanding board scores

RadOnc: requires outstanding publications.

(in other words, statistically you won't be either)

 

[gettheleadout]

i'm sorry, but what are "intensive" purposes? Do they not depend on the purpose size or the amount of material in the purpose?

In that case, i would assume the question would not be about how much money is involved (extensive purpose) but in your innate interest in the field (intensive purpose)

😛

+100

 

[Charles_Carmichael]

RadOnc: requires outstanding publications + high board scores.

(in other words, statistically you won't be either)

Fixed. 😀

Don't know enough about derm to comment on its research "requirements."

 

[WingedOx]

yeah, but isn't the mean score for someone matching into RadOnc, only like 235ish? It wasn't as high as I thought it was when I looked it up a year or so ago.

/I'd look it up now, but the winter classic is taking priority.

 

[quiltlady]

I was surprised that really high board scores were not required, at least according to the RadOnc forum. On the other hand, research was mandatory. DOs can match to radonc, if they have the requisite research, and presumably, letters of reference.

 

[DonaldDraper]

Come on guys, I was expecting the bashing given the context of my question and thread but in all honesty, I was interested in the hard numbers based on your personal experiences (and not off just some salary survey)...I'll obviously do a specialty I enjoy at the end of the day and not have salary figure$ naively dictate what I want to do for the next 30 years of my life lol

 

[deleted307836]

Come on guys, I was expecting the bashing given the context of my question and thread but in all honesty, I was interested in the hard numbers based on your personal experiences (and not off just some salary survey)...I'll obviously do a specialty I enjoy at the end of the day and not have salary figure$ naively dictate what I want to do for the next 30 years of my life lol

Your question is silly because both fields are among the most highly paid in medicine. At this stage in your career learning about the exact differences in salary among the top-paid specialties should be low on your list of priorities, especially because in a decade (ie, when you'd be an attending), things could be very different.

 

[Charles_Carmichael]

yeah, but isn't the mean score for someone matching into RadOnc, only like 235ish? It wasn't as high as I thought it was when I looked it up a year or so ago.

/I'd look it up now, but the winter classic is taking priority.

Looks like we both are wrong. According to the NRMP Charting Outcomes from 2009, the mean Step I score for those who matched into radonc was 238 while it was 242 for derm. Not much difference there. Those are still at the high end of averages compared to most other specialties though (see Chart 6). And there doesn't seem to be much of a difference for research experiences/publications either. Let's just agree that both fields are ridonkulously competitive! 🙂

Ref: http://www.nrmp.org/data/chartingoutcomes2009v3.pdf

Edit: Chart 6 actually shows medians rather than means. My fault.

 

[Geekchick921]

Come on guys, I was expecting the bashing given the context of my question and thread but in all honesty, I was interested in the hard numbers based on your personal experiences (and not off just some salary survey)...I'll obviously do a specialty I enjoy at the end of the day and not have salary figure$ naively dictate what I want to do for the next 30 years of my life lol

1. This is hardly a bashing.
2. Personal experiences? This is the pre-med forum. Do you honestly think most of the people on this forum know any derms or rad-onc doctors well enough to know their salary?
3. You always need a three, so I like turtles. And pie. I've never had turtle pie, but it looks awesome.

 

[WingedOx]

Looks like we both are wrong. According to the NRMP Charting Outcomes from 2009, the mean Step I score for those who matched into radonc was 238 while it was 242 for derm. Not much difference there. And there doesn't seem to be much of a difference for research experiences/publications either. Let's just agree that both fields are ridonkulously competitive! 🙂

Ref: http://www.nrmp.org/data/chartingoutcomes2009v3.pdf

well...given my boards scores I'd be average for RadOnc, and below average for Derm... so from my perspective one is ridiculously high, and the other isn't.

/also of note, Philadelphia is the exact center of the Universe... until I move for residency this summer... at which time said point will move.

 

[gettheleadout]

Looks like we both are wrong. According to the NRMP Charting Outcomes from 2009, the mean Step I score for those who matched into radonc was 238 while it was 242 for derm. Not much difference there. Those are still at the high end of averages compared to most other specialties though (see Chart 6). And there doesn't seem to be much of a difference for research experiences/publications either. Let's just agree that both fields are ridonkulously competitive! 🙂

Ref: http://www.nrmp.org/data/chartingoutcomes2009v3.pdf

Edit: Chart 6 actually shows medians rather than means. My fault.

Am I blind? Where are urology and ophtho on here? I was under the impression they were categorical, but do they require a preliminary surgery year or what?

 

[MisterVeil]

3. You always need a three, so I like turtles. And pie. I've never had turtle pie, but it looks awesome.

You must try one, they're amazing. You'll be glad you shelled out the cash.

 

[FlowRate]

I'm sorry, but what are "intensive" purposes? Do they not depend on the purpose size or the amount of material in the purpose?

In that case, I would assume the question would not be about how much money is involved (extensive purpose) but in your innate interest in the field (intensive purpose)

😛

Amazing.

 

[TooMuchResearch]

I'm sorry, but what are "intensive" purposes? Do they not depend on the purpose size or the amount of material in the purpose?

In that case, I would assume the question would not be about how much money is involved (extensive purpose) but in your innate interest in the field (intensive purpose)

😛

You should not appear a pedant, constantly correcting people, or jump on them for errors in grammar, syntax, or pronounciation, but just answer their question, bring up another example or debate the substantive issue itself, as opposed to its wording; the clever educator moves the discussion away from the error onto another plane, but then subtly and unobtrusively introduces the correct expression, so that the pupil learns his error without being humiliated for having made it.

-Someone smarter than me

 

[ReptarBar]

^^ true, but making fun of people on a forum is enjoyable

 

[loveoforganic]

well...given my boards scores I'd be average for RadOnc, and below average for Derm... so from my perspective one is ridiculously high, and the other isn't.

/also of note, Philadelphia is the exact center of the Universe... until I move for residency this summer... at which time said point will move.

Oh come on, the ranges are almost identical. 232-252 for derm, 229-250 for radonc.

 

[TooMuchResearch]

^^ true, but making fun of people on a forum is enjoyable

The same person as translated above had something to say on instant gratification, but I can't seem to find it at the moment. Then again, he also had something to say on not taking the time for our friends and colleagues...

Well, I still do alright with regard to the one about not living like a rich person.

 

[DrBowtie]

Am I blind? Where are urology and ophtho on here? I was under the impression they were categorical, but do they require a preliminary surgery year or what?

Not in the NRMP match. They have their own match so the statistics aren't compiled with NRMP data.

 

[DonaldDraper]

wow, i learned nothing about salary figures but just common knowledge about competitive board scores, ranking, pubs, the banal dont go into medicine for $ advice etc...- stuff I already know

Can someone address my original question?

 

[NickNaylor]

wow, i learned nothing about salary figures but just common knowledge about competitive board scores, ranking, pubs, the banal dont go into medicine for $ advice etc...- stuff I already know

Can someone address my original question?

Salary is going to depend on an infinite number of factors. And exact, accurate figures likely aren't easily available to most people. That's why you're not going to get an answer to your question.

 

[Evidence Based]

wow, i learned nothing about salary figures but just common knowledge about competitive board scores, ranking, pubs, the banal dont go into medicine for $ advice etc...- stuff I already know

Can someone address my original question?

You're in the pre-med forum. How do you expect anyone here to have any more knowledge than you on the exact salary ranges of attendings who are 10 or 15 years ahead of us in our training?

They both make lots of money. Who cares.

 

[DonaldDraper]

Can the moderator please move this to allopathic

 

[Narmerguy]

You should not appear a pedant, constantly correcting people, or jump on them for errors in grammar, syntax, or pronounciation, but just answer their question, bring up another example or debate the substantive issue itself, as opposed to its wording; the clever educator moves the discussion away from the error onto another plane, but then subtly and unobtrusively introduces the correct expression, so that the pupil learns his error without being humiliated for having made it.

-Someone smarter than me

👍 Nothing cool about being a jerk.

Can the moderator please move this to allopathic

Pretty sure this NEVER happens (threads being moved from a forum of lower education to one of higher level), regardless of how appropriate it is sometimes (not saying this is one of them).

 

[Neuronix]

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