Random non-MCAT and only peripherally related to the MCAT thread - Part 2

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Nikki2002 said:
right on!!! when i worked at geauga lake i was forever finding cell phones and car keys--we literally had a HUGE box full of cell phones


hey is geauga lake the park in ohio that switched to six flags for a little while?
 
ironmanf14 said:
hey is geauga lake the park in ohio that switched to six flags for a little while?

yeah it is--used to be geauga lake/Sea World but now the company that owns Cedar Point bought it and turned the Sea World side into a huge waterpark. I haven't been in like 2 years even though i only live like 40 minutes from it--one of my friends is gonna hook us up with some free tickets hopefully. It has some sweet coasters but i've been a million times--i mean i worked there for 3 summers. and i miss shamu.
 
Nikki2002 said:
yeah it is--used to be geauga lake/Sea World but now the company that owns Cedar Point bought it and turned the Sea World side into a huge waterpark. I haven't been in like 2 years even though i only live like 40 minutes from it--one of my friends is gonna hook us up with some free tickets hopefully. It has some sweet coasters but i've been a million times--i mean i worked there for 3 summers. and i miss shamu.
Shamu? Isn't shamu the name of the whale at every Sea World?
 
BrettBatchelor said:
Hey S&M...Have you ever been to the ScooperBowl? I saw it on Food Network and it looks awesome..
I actually haven't gone...I like a little bit of ice cream occasionally, but I don't think I could eat much more than about a cup in one setting...and it's all-you-can-eat and $8 for admission (might actually be $10), so I've never done it. But they hold it about 10 minutes from my apartment, so I always see it going on.

If my canoeing trip gets rained out again this weekend, which looks likely, I may be going to chowderfest...can't figure out why they hold that one in the summer, but I like chowder, so I'll check it out 😛
 
'Morning all. So glad that our internet is back up. With all the rain, we lost cable (and consequently i'net) yesterday afternoon. I went to Blockbuster to rent movies to pass the time and they were out of applications. How sad it is to *beg* some 16 y.o. Blockbuster dude to find another way b/c I am so bored? :laugh: I can't wait for hubby to get down here permanently, I feel like our whole life is in flux and I can't bring myself to commit to doing anything.

Mush, so when are you gonna take the GRE? I think I may do the same later this year. I'll probably still get owned by it, but at least it won't be the big 'CAT so the world won't crash around me when I bomb. 😛
 
BrettBatchelor said:
Hey S&M...Have you ever been to the ScooperBowl? I saw it on Food Network and it looks awesome..

Sounds like something that would be on Animal Planet! :laugh:
 
TypeA said:
Sounds like something that would be on Animal Planet! :laugh:
woohoo, PW has internet back! sorry to hear about the blockbuster fiasco! did he let you get a movie??

scooper bowl is an all-you-can-eat ice cream fest in downtown boston.
 
TypeA said:
'Morning all. So glad that our internet is back up. With all the rain, we lost cable (and consequently i'net) yesterday afternoon. I went to Blockbuster to rent movies to pass the time and they were out of applications. How sad it is to *beg* some 16 y.o. Blockbuster dude to find another way b/c I am so bored? :laugh: I can't wait for hubby to get down here permanently, I feel like our whole life is in flux and I can't bring myself to commit to doing anything.

Mush, so when are you gonna take the GRE? I think I may do the same later this year. I'll probably still get owned by it, but at least it won't be the big 'CAT so the world won't crash around me when I bomb. 😛
that stinks 🙁 I would have let you use my card 😀 I have to find it though ...


As for the GRE I will probably take Dec/Jan. I just ordered some books after reading the reviews on Amazon. Barron's is supposed to be pretty good. I'm going to look at that then maybe the kaplan or TPR as those are stuff that the SDNers over in the pre-vet forum and the post-bacc forum have used. I know my weakness ... verbal. I suck at verbal so I'm going to concentrate on vocab and antonyms, stuff like that. I hear its alot like the SATs and I didn't do so hot on the SATs, well not to my capabilities at least. standardized test and I don't get along well. Alls I needed for most scholarships was 1200 and I got SOOOOOOOOOO close, but fell short. 🙁 Most people say they score about the SAT score or higher so I supposed that would be fine to get in to grad schools as most require at least 1000. With lower gpa, higher GRE is in order. Wanna be my study buddy? 😀

You going to do a masters program eventually too??

Ok i've been on hold for the past 17 minutes with direct loan consolidation. When I first dialed they said the hold time was 3 minutes 😕 I called early for this REASON. if they don't answer in 3 mins I have to hang up b/c I need to get ready for work 🙁
 
megboo said:
Good morning randomites....

Knee-high by the 4th of july? More like over my head by the 4th! Who was the genious forecaster that said this summer was going to be dry?!
sreiously ... I'm worried about my friend down in alexandria ... 🙁 I hope she's ok.


How much rain is at your house PW? The house up north ...
 
mshheaddoc said:
Most people say they score about the SAT score or higher so I supposed that would be fine to get in to grad schools as most require at least 1000. With lower gpa, higher GRE is in order. Wanna be my study buddy? 😀

I scored a 1000 on my SAT (pathetic!!!) and 27 on ACT. I scored over 1800 on the GRE.

I think those correlations are bunk!
 
mshheaddoc said:
did you study for the GRE? Also you took the old version as now they only have two graded sections ...so I don't know what the minimum was before. Do you know?

I didn't study fort eh SAT's ... wish I would have.

No, I just walked in and took it. I took it in 2001 - I didn't know it's changed since then. The only thing different was that I didn't have to do a writing sample. I looked at the GRE website and I guess they're making more changes next year.

At any rate, if I had to take it again, I probably wouldn't study for it.

I didn't study for the SATs or ACTs either. Our school really didn't stress that!
 
mshheaddoc said:
As for the GRE I will probably take Dec/Jan... I hear its alot like the SATs and I didn't do so hot on the SATs, well not to my capabilities at least. standardized test and I don't get along well... Most people say they score about the SAT score or higher so I supposed that would be fine to get in to grad schools as most require at least 1000.

I took the general GRE back in..'95? Somewhere back around then. I don't recall much, but you're right- at the time, it was formatted a lot like the SAT. And I don't think I studied for it.. knowing me, probably not.

At the time, I wasn't sure if I'd need it for grad school- turns out I didn't. It is (or at least WAS) one of the cheaper tests- I think it was only about $65 to take. I'm sure that's changed. 🙄
 
scentimint said:
woohoo, PW has internet back! sorry to hear about the blockbuster fiasco! did he let you get a movie??

Yeah, but not without a call to hubby a hundred miles away.

I ended up renting the first season of Mind of Mencia, Jeff Foxworthy's Totally Committed, as well as the second disc of the first season of GA.

Apparently, a lot of people lost connectivity b/c the place was full!
 
mshheaddoc said:
that stinks 🙁 I would have let you use my card 😀 I have to find it though ...

That was deal about calling hubby. But, I have never encountered a Blockbuster that actually honored another Blockbuster's card. Every store I have gone into requires its own card. WTF?
 
TypeA said:
Yeah, but not without a call to hubby a hundred miles away.

I ended up renting the first season of Mind of Mencia, Jeff Foxworthy's Totally Committed, as well as the second disc of the first season of GA.

Apparently, a lot of people lost connectivity b/c the place was full!
good call on the Mind of Mencia...I love that show! 😀
 
mshheaddoc said:
that stinks 🙁 I would have let you use my card 😀 I have to find it though ...

That was deal about calling hubby. But, I have never encountered a Blockbuster that actually honored another Blockbuster's card. Every store I have gone into requires its own card. WTF?
 
I haven't had a problem with this...I used my card from Pittsburgh up here in Boston with no problems...as long as it has your name on it, I think it's in their system. Not sure though.
 
mshheaddoc said:
sreiously ... I'm worried about my friend down in alexandria ... 🙁 I hope she's ok.


How much rain is at your house PW? The house up north ...

Lots. P says 4-6 inches fell yesterday. Constantly pouring. The church basement flooded.
 
scentimint said:
I haven't had a problem with this...I used my card from Pittsburgh up here in Boston with no problems...as long as it has your name on it, I think it's in their system. Not sure though.

When I lived in San Antonio, I had to have a different card for stores that were literally a few blocks apart! They said that there was no "system." I was in shock.
 
scentimint said:
You'll be fine! NO ONE gets into every school they apply to. But you don't know which ones are going to accept you until you go for it. Hindsight is always 20-20. 😛
True dat. And good advice.

iron, you don't need every school to accept you, or even a majority of them. You only NEED one school to accept you. Multiple acceptances may boost your ego and maybe help your pocketbook, but you can go to med school without them. I'll tell you right now that this process is very hard on your ego. And the sooner you accept that not everyone is going to love you in this world, the easier it will be for you to deal with the inevitable. Think of the app process like trying to get a date with one of several girls. You're only going to marry one girl (I hope!), right? If more than one are interested in you, great. You can choose one and decline the rest. But no matter how many are interested in you, whether it's one or one hundred, you still ultimately end up only being married to one anyway.

My experience was that declining acceptances was THE most painful thing about the app process. I worked my butt off for those acceptances. I spent a lot of money trying to get them, wrote a zillion essays, flew to the opposite end of the country (most places are far from FL!), studied diligently for each one (reading their website, the interview questions on SDN, etc.), practiced interviewing before each one, really put my heart into it. And here I finally get these acceptances to schools that I really liked, and I had to give most of them up. All of my rejections put together didn't hurt me anywhere near as much as giving up a single acceptance.
 
BrettBatchelor said:
Is it GRE Biology or just general?

I would go with the GRE since there isn't as much background knowledge to have to study for like the MCAT.
Agree. I've taken both, and the GRE is loads easier than the MCAT. It's a little different now than when I took it (they have essays instead of the analytical section). But it's much easier to prepare for. Make sure you do study, mush. If you don't want to shell out for a prep class, then go to your bookstore and get a book at least. Work on learning vocab words. The GRE is an adaptive test; it gets harder if you answer questions correctly and easier if you don't. So you want to be answering the hardest questions possible, and you need to study for those.
 
QofQuimica said:
True dat. And good advice.

iron, you don't need every school to accept you, or even a majority of them. You only NEED one school to accept you. Multiple acceptances may boost your ego and maybe help your pocketbook, but you can go to med school without them. I'll tell you right now that this process is very hard on your ego. And the sooner you accept that not everyone is going to love you in this world, the easier it will be for you to deal with the inevitable. Think of the app process like trying to get a date with one of several girls. You're only going to marry one girl (I hope!), right? If more than one are interested in you, great. You can choose one and decline the rest. But no matter how many are interested in you, whether it's one or one hundred, you still ultimately end up only being married to one anyway.

My experience was that declining acceptances was THE most painful thing about the app process. I worked my butt off for those acceptances. I spent a lot of money trying to get them, wrote a zillion essays, flew to the opposite end of the country (most places are far from FL!), studied diligently for each one (reading their website, the interview questions on SDN, etc.), practiced interviewing before each one, really put my heart into it. And here I finally get these acceptances to schools that I really liked, and I had to give most of them up. All of my rejections put together didn't hurt me anywhere near as much as giving up a single acceptance.

that's a good way to put it, and i like the marriage analogy :laugh:

did you find that you were over-prepared for any of the interviews? under-prepared? A lot of my friends tell me that in general, the interviews were very easy.....but I also get people telling me that some didn't go well....just wondering what you thought
 
mshheaddoc said:
Most people say they score about the SAT score or higher so I supposed that would be fine to get in to grad schools as most require at least 1000.
That's true for me. My scores were so close that I can't ever remember which one was my GRE and which one was my SAT score. They're only 20 points different. I think I did slightly better on the GRE, but I could be wrong. :laugh: I didn't study for either test, and I regret that, mush. Not that I didn't do well enough on the exams, but I could have done better.
 
ironmanf14 said:
that's a good way to put it, and i like the marriage analogy :laugh:

did you find that you were over-prepared for any of the interviews? under-prepared? A lot of my friends tell me that in general, the interviews were very easy.....but I also get people telling me that some didn't go well....just wondering what you thought
No, I was very prepared. My hardest task was to pretend to actually be considering the interviewer's question for the very first time, especially toward the end. (I went on a lot of interviews, and they ask the same questions over and over.) The thing that trips a lot of people up is that the interviewer will often ask you one or more of the following:

1) Why do you want to come to this school? You'd better have a good, school-specific reason, and ideally a few. If you're already in somewhere that you would rather attend, then decline the interview and give someone else a chance. It's fine if you also want to go to a school due to geography or family reasons, but there better be something about that school that you really love. NEVER, EVER treat a school like it's a safety school, or they're going to dump you on your a**. This is especially important before Oct. 15, when you won't have any acceptances yet. Treat every school like it will be the only one where you get in, and show that you LOVE that school. In order to do that, you need to be familiar enough with the school and its programs that you can answer this question COLD. I actually kept files on every school. I'd print out all of the info from their websites, make myself a list of mock interview questions and go over them with my mom (my poor mom could probably get accepted to med school by now!). My interviews usually ran over time. If that happens, it's a good sign, BTW.

2) Do you have any questions for me? Again, you'd better have some, and they should be good ones that are school-specific. I'd make a list of about half a dozen things I wanted to know about the school based on all of the reading I did. Don't ever sit there and say that no, your questions have all been answered. That suggests to the interviewer that you're not all that interested in that school. If you really ARE interested, you should have tons of questions. Keep reading about the school until you do.

3) Why should I recommend you to the adcom/what would you add to this class? Here again, you need to be familiar enough with the school that you can make a cogent argument as to how you fit in with them. If it was a research-oriented school, I'd talk about my research background. If it was a clinical school, I'd talk about my teaching background. (That's always a good thing to discuss; every school prides itself on how well it educates its students.) People automatically think of race/ethnicity when they hear the word "diversity." Think more broadly than that, especially if you're white and male. Diversity means lots of things. I'm ten years older than my trad classmates. I'm coming in with a PhD, so my experience is even different than people like beary who do joint programs. And so on. You have things that are unique about you, too, that most of your classmates won't have. Think about those things and make a list for yourself.

One more note: easy interviews aren't necessarily good ones. It could mean that they've already decided not to recommend you, so why give you grief? A short, easy interview is probably the very worst outcome possible. My interviews ran the gamut from awesome (I've already decided to recommend you at the highest level; let's talk about what it would take to get you to come here) to horrendous (sorry that I'm 20 minutes late; I'm going to have to leave in a little while to go to the clinic. Why don't you tell me a bit about yourself?). Not that the horrendous interviewer wasn't "nice." But I understood right then and there that I wouldn't be getting accepted to that school (and I didn't.)
 
ironmanf14 said:
ouch, at least it's only 1.....plus you get an excuse to go on an all ice cream diet for a few days
Yeah...I don't think this one will be as bad as my other surgery though.

So in growing up as an active boy, I was playing bball jumped for a ball, was undercut, chipped from tooth. Fast forward to high school, after some crappy dentistry during my first root canal I had to have it fixed up. Basically I was awake but anesticized (sp?) and they went in through the gum to fill in and clean a huge abcess. Basically why I never want to be a dentist
 
Q, Do you feel a lot of people will have the same reason of why you want to come to the school?
Places like Yale, Duke with the unique curriculum has to be one of everyone's reasons.

What about things like associated hospitals, research going on at the med school etc.? I dunno I haven't looked at things too closely to know which schools and why but I don't feel like I'll have many ground breaking reasons except for maybe MD/MBA but it is a risk to bring it up in the MD interviews.
 
QofQuimica said:
No, I was very prepared. My hardest task was to pretend to actually be considering the interviewer's question for the very first time, especially toward the end. (I went on a lot of interviews, and they ask the same questions over and over.) The thing that trips a lot of people up is that the interviewer will often ask you one or more of the following:

1) Why do you want to come to this school? You'd better have a good, school-specific reason, and ideally a few. If you're already in somewhere that you would rather attend, then decline the interview and give someone else a chance. It's fine if you also want to go to a school due to geography or family reasons, but there better be something about that school that you really love. NEVER, EVER treat a school like it's a safety school, or they're going to dump you on your a**. This is especially important before Oct. 15, when you won't have any acceptances yet. Treat every school like it will be the only one where you get in, and show that you LOVE that school. In order to do that, you need to be familiar enough with the school and its programs that you can answer this question COLD. I actually kept files on every school. I'd print out all of the info from their websites, make myself a list of mock interview questions and go over them with my mom (my poor mom could probably get accepted to med school by now!). My interviews usually ran over time. If that happens, it's a good sign, BTW.

2) Do you have any questions for me? Again, you'd better have some, and they should be good ones that are school-specific. I'd make a list of about half a dozen things I wanted to know about the school based on all of the reading I did. Don't ever sit there and say that no, your questions have all been answered. That suggests to the interviewer that you're not all that interested in that school. If you really ARE interested, you should have tons of questions. Keep reading about the school until you do.

3) Why should I recommend you to the adcom/what would you add to this class? Here again, you need to be familiar enough with the school that you can make a cogent argument as to how you fit in with them. If it was a research-oriented school, I'd talk about my research background. If it was a clinical school, I'd talk about my teaching background. (That's always a good thing to discuss; every school prides itself on how well it educates its students.) People automatically think of race/ethnicity when they hear the word "diversity." Think more broadly than that, especially if you're white and male. Diversity means lots of things. I'm ten years older than my trad classmates. I'm coming in with a PhD, so my experience is even different than people like beary who do joint programs. And so on. You have things that are unique about you, too, that most of your classmates won't have. Think about those things and make a list for yourself.

One more note: easy interviews aren't necessarily good ones. It could mean that they've already decided not to recommend you, so why give you grief? A short, easy interview is probably the very worst outcome possible. My interviews ran the gamut from awesome (I've already decided to recommend you at the highest level; let's talk about what it would take to get you to come here) to horrendous (sorry that I'm 20 minutes late; I'm going to have to leave in a little while to go to the clinic. Why don't you tell me a bit about yourself?). Not that the horrendous interviewer wasn't "nice." But I understood right then and there that I wouldn't be getting accepted to that school (and I didn't.)

so yea i copied and pasted all of this into my med school folder......

thanks so much for the advice!
 
and some betch hit me with a door as i was walking by... and she had the nerve to yell at me... im sorry, but who just had the door to the face?
 
BrettBatchelor said:
Q, Do you feel a lot of people will have the same reason of why you want to come to the school?
Places like Yale, Duke with the unique curriculum has to be one of everyone's reasons.

What about things like associated hospitals, research going on at the med school etc.? I dunno I haven't looked at things too closely to know which schools and why but I don't feel like I'll have many ground breaking reasons except for maybe MD/MBA but it is a risk to bring it up in the MD interviews.
Don't worry about other people; it's hard enough worrying about yourself. If the curriculum is why you want to go there, say so. Duke and Yale do have unique curriculums. For those two schools, I would emphasize not only how much you like the curriculum, but also how you know you would succeed in a maverick environment. So at Yale, for example, I told the interviewer all about my college experience. The other things you will need to look up. That's why I'm telling you to study, really study, every school. You should know what their major hospitals are. You should know what strengths are. I would estimate that I spent about 10 hours on average preparing for each interview. This includes reading the entire school website, reading the SDN interview feedback for that school, making myself a list of practice questions that other people got asked at that school and going through them all, and reading over my own AMCAS and secondary essays. (Oh yes, open interviews are the bane of your existence. They can ask you about things you wrote six months ago and did ten years ago, and they do.)

Not only should you be prepared with the questions I asked above, but also the following ones came up at nearly every interview for me:

1) Tell me about yourself.

2) Tell me about your research. (Obviously won't come up if you haven't done any.)

3) Tell me more about experience X on your AMCAS.

4) How will you handle the weather here? (This is an interesting one; I got asked it quite often at the northern schools. Since I'd spent four months working at a remote science station in below freezing weather, it was easy to deflect. But if you're a Southerner applying up north, or a Northerner applying down south, be prepared to explain how you plan to adjust to the climate.)

I can't stress enough how helpful it is to go through the SDN interview feedback. There were several interviews that I went to where I could have read off the list of questions along with the interviewer. I had practiced answering ALL of them; again, the hardest thing was to work on coming across as thoughtful and not too eager. I also can't stress enough how important it is to practice, but not memorize, your answers. You do NOT want to sound canned. But you DO want to sound polished and thoughtful. During the stress of the interview is NOT when you should be thinking about the questions you're being asked. If you study the questions like I've told you to do, the interviews will be a lot more fun. Here's how to handle questions you already "know" from SDN:

1) Let the interviewer finish asking the question. Never, ever interrupt him/her, no matter how eager you are to answer. Also, listen to the entire question. The temptation is to start thinking about your answer while the interviewer is babbling on, but don't do that. When his/her mouth is open, yours is shut.

2) Once s/he is done asking the question, smile, and then pause for a few seconds before you begin to answer. Again, you are wanting to collect your thoughts and show that you are seriously considering the question.

3) Speak clearly and deliberately. Don't rush through your answer. Speak in a pleasant, natural way.

Other interview tips:

4) Sometimes you might get a difficult interviewer who is trying to bait you. Never, EVER take the bait. Interviewing is a game, and if that interviewer makes you mad, you automatically lose. On the other hand, if you can stay calm and earn their respect, difficult interviewers will probably advocate for you to the committee. That's why people sometimes tell you that they had a horrible interview at School A and then got accepted there. Practice discussing the weak areas of your application in a non-defensive, non-whiny way. If the interviewer gives you a hard time about your low grades or your limited volunteering experience, admit your deficiency, and then explain what you've done since then to rectify the situation.

5) Be enthusiastic. You've been working to get into medical school for years now, and you're close to your goal. You're touring med school, meeting med students, imagining yourself being there as one of them. It's exciting, so be excited! I seriously loved nearly every school I saw. Even the ones that I decided weren't great fits for me still had a ton of good things about them that I liked and appreciated.

6) Be mature. A good sense of humor is a wonderful asset. An inappropriate one will hurt you. You're an adult now, so you need to act like it.

7) Focus on others, not yourself. I've been reading a zillion PSs, and you wouldn't believe how many people talk about wanting to go into medicine to fulfill themselves. I've got news for you kids: medical school is not about you finding yourself. Medicine is a job, yes, but you need to have some altruism in you if you're going to survive. So if all you can talk about is your own wants and being fulfilled, that's going to turn people off.
 
lilithny said:
and some betch hit me with a door as i was walking by... and she had the nerve to yell at me... im sorry, but who just had the door to the face?
lil! you're back! you're not leaving SDN forever! yay :hardy:
 
Pemberley said:
Keep it coming, Q... we're taking notes furiously! 🙂
Good, I hope it helps. If you have any other questions, let me know, and I'll give it to you as straight as I can. Speaking of difficult interviewers, it doesn't hurt to be quick on your feet, either, because some interviewers just ask some screwy questions. For example, one interviewer asked me why I don't charge for my help on SDN. The subject came up b/c he had asked me what volunteering activities I did, and I told him about the MCAT subforum. So I explained to him that SDN is a free site: none of the members pay to join, and all of the staff are volunteers, including me. Then he wanted to know why I didn't start my own website and charge people; he thought I could make a ton of money answering MCAT questions over the web. So I told him that maybe I could do that, but if I did, it wouldn't be volunteering any more, now would it? And that answer finally satisfied him. :laugh: I did get accepted to that school. 🙂
 
👍 👍 for Q and her FANTASTIC advice. I need to copy and paste that into a document before this thread closes and is lost to the abyss of what we call SDN 😉


Thanks for the advice about the GRE guys. I'm going to take it when I'm ready. So much for taking time off in August to do nothing while I'm on vacay. At least its light reading 😉
 
TypeA said:
That was deal about calling hubby. But, I have never encountered a Blockbuster that actually honored another Blockbuster's card. Every store I have gone into requires its own card. WTF?
That's wierd. I NEVER had that problem and I've had a blockbuster card for at least 7 years or so. Although I needed to have my card 'registered' at that store to use it though. As long as you used the card there once, they'd let you use your ID if you forgot your card. Now apparently all the blockbusters are connected some how. Because that is how online-blockbuster works.
 
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