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LetItSnow said:
Interesting.


Kristen Lindsey back in the news...... this time for a DWI.
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I...kind of feel sorry for her. I mean, imagine if you spent all this money on a degree and did something insanely stupid and cruel and it ruined your entire career. I guess I don't like that she drove, but I can understand what drove her to drink
 
dyachei said:
I...kind of feel sorry for her. I mean, imagine if you spent all this money on a degree and did something insanely stupid and cruel and it ruined your entire career. I guess I don't like that she drove, but I can understand what drove her to drink
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I can totally see where you're coming from. And that's usually me, trying to see the other person's side. But I don't feel bad for her. This just hits a button in me and it makes me really angry
 
Abnerrs said:
I can totally see where you're coming from. And that's usually me, trying to see the other person's side. But I don't feel bad for her. This just hits a button in me and it makes me really angry
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Besides the fact that she the act, how stupid do you have to be to post it on Facebook as if it was am accomplishment? Why would you think that would be well received?
 
dyachei said:
this.

It's probably culturally acceptable in her social circle.
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I've kind of felt this way since the whole thing came about. Not in a nothing bad should come to her, she definitely should be charged and have her license revoked if that is what is deemed appropriate. But more in a, it seems like she was raised and associates with people where that is acceptable. I can also definitely see how this whole thing could drive her to drinking, I'll never understand the driving part though. And I can only hope this doesn't push her as far as suicide because while what she did is wrong, no one deserves to feel that way.
 
WildZoo said:
Not to...disrupt this serious conversation...but
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Any tricks or tips for shoulder/neck pain from standing 12 hours a day? I originally thought my lower back would be an issue but honestly I'm more painful by my scapula, neck region, and feet (started wearing insoles today that kinda helped) than anything.
 
DVMDream said:
I've kind of felt this way since the whole thing came about. Not in a nothing bad should come to her, she definitely should be charged and have her license revoked if that is what is deemed appropriate. But more in a, it seems like she was raised and associates with people where that is acceptable. I can also definitely see how this whole thing could drive her to drinking, I'll never understand the driving part though. And I can only hope this doesn't push her as far as suicide because while what she did is wrong, no one deserves to feel that way.
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I've said this from the beginning. Really concerned that, with all the media attention this issue received, she'll be driven to suicide.
 
Ashgirl said:
Any tricks or tips for shoulder/neck pain from standing 12 hours a day? I originally thought my lower back would be an issue but honestly I'm more painful by my scapula, neck region, and feet (started wearing insoles today that kinda helped) than anything.
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Are you literally just standing around?

My biggest tips: comfortable shoes! Wearing my Danskos, compared to my sneakers, makes a world of difference. Don't be too proud to have a seat somewhere, or lean up against something. Everyone gets sore. I've noticed that whenever I get pain across my upper back and scaps, it's usually because of how exactly I'm standing. Generally speaking, it's because I've been crossing my arms all day and creating a lot of stress across that region. When I notice it happening, I make a concerted effort to cross my arms behind my back instead, or keep my hands in my pockets.
 
Apparently women in particular store stress in shoulders and chest muscles, but it is just as easy for it to be posture.
Proper shoes can definitely help, but if you are standing at a work station or something you are looking down at, stretch occasionally and if possible, raise the work area to a comfortable height to decrease stress on your neck and shoulders (surgical and exam tables). Lots of people do this at scopes too. They lean over into their work and scrunch down to see when they should lower their chair so that they can maintain posture instead.
When my neck hurts, I try to make a point of being more aware of my slouch and stretch, but I totally fail. 😳
 
dyachei said:
I...kind of feel sorry for her. I mean, imagine if you spent all this money on a degree and did something insanely stupid and cruel and it ruined your entire career. I guess I don't like that she drove, but I can understand what drove her to drink
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That's where I'm at. I'm glad she lost her license. (She did, right? Or had it suspended? Or....?) And presumably she'll get whatever is justified in that state for a DWI. But I feel a little bad that her life is laying in ruins; or more specifically, I feel bad her what I imagine she must be going through. I think it is entirely self-inflicted and deserved, but that doesn't stop me from feeling some sympathy (or pity?) for her.
 
Every time I feel myself feeling sorry for her and thinking about how bad the situation sucks for her, I think of the oath she broke and the poor cat she put an arrow through :shrug:
 
LetItSnow said:
That's where I'm at. I'm glad she lost her license. (She did, right? Or had it suspended? Or....?) And presumably she'll get whatever is justified in that state for a DWI. But I feel a little bad that her life is laying in ruins; or more specifically, I feel bad her what I imagine she must be going through. I think it is entirely self-inflicted and deserved, but that doesn't stop me from feeling some sympathy (or pity?) for her.
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I believe the Texas veterinary board had a hearing about the status of her license around March/April, but the process is a really long one so there hasn't been a final decision yet. She and the board had until last month to submit closing arguments, until early this month to reply to one another's closing arguments, and I think the board has up until 60 days after receiving those replies to issue a final decision. There's thinking that the actual final determination of what to do with her license won't happen until mid October just because of how long the whole process is. I don't know if her license is currently suspended or not, though I doubt she's currently practicing.
hazelmoo said:
Every time I feel myself feeling sorry for her and thinking about how bad the situation sucks for her, I think of the oath she broke and the poor cat she put an arrow through :shrug:
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I don't know if it's as easy as that, though. What she did is terrible and she should be held accountable for it. But being upset about her actions and hoping that she ultimately comes out okay and mentally well from this process are not mutually exclusive feelings. I disagree with the people looking for vindictive punishments for her. The goal after things like this should be to remediate and give her tools to understand why this was wrong and why it shouldn't happen again. Vilification hurts everyone and does nothing for the people involved or for preventing things like this from happening again.
 
vetmedhead said:
I don't know if it's as easy as that, though. What she did is terrible and she should be held accountable for it. But being upset about her actions and hoping that she ultimately comes out okay and mentally well from this process are not mutually exclusive feelings. I disagree with the people looking for vindictive punishments for her. The goal after things like this should be to remediate and give her tools to understand why this was wrong and why it shouldn't happen again. Vilification hurts everyone and does nothing for the people involved or for preventing things like this from happening again.
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I agree, and I think you said it well - she should be accountable, but I don't want her to come out the other end in ruins (or worse, to not come out the other end).

I disagree that the goal should only be to remediate and (paraphrasing what you said) rehabilitate. I think punitive measures are highly appropriate, too. That's part of serving justice. It's not just to only remediate and rehabilitate someone. I think poor outcomes arise from trying to hard to only remediate+rehabilitate or only punish someone. A mixture is appropriate in my mind.
 
LetItSnow said:
I agree, and I think you said it well - she should be accountable, but I don't want her to come out the other end in ruins (or worse, to not come out the other end).

I disagree that the goal should only be to remediate and (paraphrasing what you said) rehabilitate. I think punitive measures are highly appropriate, too. That's part of serving justice. It's not just to only remediate and rehabilitate someone. I think poor outcomes arise from trying to hard to only remediate+rehabilitate or only punish someone. A mixture is appropriate in my mind.
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I agree that punitive measures are warranted here. I by no means want her to leave this process with a slap on the wrist, but I also think that the heavy handed and overly harsh punishments I've seen some people propose are probably not a good choice either. I'm not sure what a good middle ground is, but I hope the Texas veterinary board can come up with one.
 
Rwwilliams said:
Are you literally just standing around?

My biggest tips: comfortable shoes! Wearing my Danskos, compared to my sneakers, makes a world of difference. Don't be too proud to have a seat somewhere, or lean up against something. Everyone gets sore. I've noticed that whenever I get pain across my upper back and scaps, it's usually because of how exactly I'm standing. Generally speaking, it's because I've been crossing my arms all day and creating a lot of stress across that region. When I notice it happening, I make a concerted effort to cross my arms behind my back instead, or keep my hands in my pockets.
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Standing and walking for the most part (98%), there's either too much to go do or not enough seats to sit down, though I do try when I can. I almost always have my hands in my pockets or behind my back, though I have awful posture due to some back issues so that could be contributing. I think I'll just have to get new shoes this weekend.

Thanks for the advice everyone!
 
Ashgirl said:
Standing and walking for the most part (98%), there's either too much to go do or not enough seats to sit down, though I do try when I can. I almost always have my hands in my pockets or behind my back, though I have awful posture due to some back issues so that could be contributing. I think I'll just have to get new shoes this weekend.

Thanks for the advice everyone!
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Maybe see if you can get in with a chiropractor. Mine makes a world of a difference since I have awful posture.
 
vetmedhead said:
I agree that punitive measures are warranted here. I by no means want her to leave this process with a slap on the wrist, but I also think that the heavy handed and overly harsh punishments I've seen some people propose are probably not a good choice either. I'm not sure what a good middle ground is, but I hope the Texas veterinary board can come up with one.
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You mean the "let's put an arrow through her head and see how she likes it"?

Yeah. That's just frickin' rabid. Some people need to find more things to do with their time.
 
Ashgirl said:
Standing and walking for the most part (98%), there's either too much to go do or not enough seats to sit down, though I do try when I can. I almost always have my hands in my pockets or behind my back, though I have awful posture due to some back issues so that could be contributing. I think I'll just have to get new shoes this weekend.

Thanks for the advice everyone!
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Hmm. I usually don't have too much of a problem if I get to actually walk -- my problem is when I just stand for 12-16 hours when it's slow and there's nothing going on. I think new shoes, or maybe even orthortics may be beneficial in your case but I'm no doctor 🙂
 
Abnerrs said:
Does anyone have experience with the litter boxes that scoop automatically?
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We had one when I was a little kid (like when I was 8 or 9). The only thing I remember is that it was really loud and emptying it was kind of gross. It also took the cats some time to get used to it.

But this was also like 2003 ish. I'm sure poop scooping technology has come a long way since then.
 
LetItSnow said:
You mean the "let's put an arrow through her head and see how she likes it"?

Yeah. That's just frickin' rabid. Some people need to find more things to do with their time.
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There are so many problems and irritating people that I think could be lessened if people would just find more things to do with their time than sit on Facebook and complain.
 
vetmedhead said:
We had one when I was a little kid (like when I was 8 or 9). The only thing I remember is that it was really loud and emptying it was kind of gross. It also took the cats some time to get used to it.

But this was also like 2003 ish. I'm sure poop scooping technology has come a long way since then.
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Yeah the ones I've been looking at have disposable containers. Either little plastic boxes or bags.


I'm a WUSS when it comes to poop. I'm not even sure what I was thinking going to vet school lol
 
vetmedhead said:
There are so many problems and irritating people that I think could be lessened if people would just find more things to do with their time than sit on Facebook and complain.
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Agreed. Strongly. But the flip side is there is a pretty good argument to be made that allllll this would have gotten swept under the rug if it weren't for the high visibility.
 
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