there really isnt a good substitute for real, live tissue. honestly, spending the time practicing over and over will do more for you than spending a lot of money on something "realistic." steps 1, 2, and 3 are knowing the patterns
Duh, lol. Didn't even think of that.Good point. Knowing my personal weaknesses, I feel like my biggest hurdle would be suturing as neatly as possible. Do people usually just buy suture off of Amazon or something?
the more you practice, the neater you'll become. i would focus on getting the sutures in the right place/pattern, because if you make it pretty but it's wrong, it doesnt matter. and pretty but wrong on a live patient could equal dead.
Good point. Knowing my personal weaknesses, I feel like my biggest hurdle would be suturing as neatly as possible. Do people usually just buy suture off of Amazon or something?
Good point. Knowing my personal weaknesses, I feel like my biggest hurdle would be suturing as neatly as possible. Do people usually just buy suture off of Amazon or something?
Lolita, punk and cosplay fashion and accessories from Japan. I want it all....
Oh yeah. This. Totally forgot that being a new home owner means I should stock it with candy for trick or treaters. Thanks for the reminder 😛
If you don't have a full on haunted house (and send me pics) I will be disappointed.
why not have sign ups for times outside of class?
Those are good ideas, but it sounds like part of the issue is that the prosections cannot be out unless an instructor is present (I'm assuming something happened to them one year...). I guess it'd depend on how willing the instructors are to spend more time in the lab themselves policing.
then have a lab assistant or instructor there. Give each group 20 minutes and make them groups of 5 or less. Do it over 1-2 weeks. Allow pictures....they just don't want to spend any actual effort on this.
You know, I wonder if I could ask them to post pictures of the prosections themselves to our class page. Students aren't allowed to take pictures of any kind when it comes to anatomy lab, but maybe they'd do it themselves.
I suggested something similar to that, but he said that they've tried it several times and that one of the instructors (we only have 3 instructors, 1 grad student, and the professor) ends up having to play babysitter since no one would respect the time slots. It sounds like they tried to give each lab group 10 minutes at the prosections during our lab period, but people would still spend the entire 3 hours at the prosection table (yes, that is honestly what is happening with entire lab groups).
We had open access 24/7 to our lab and cadavers. We were not graded on technique. It was not a competition. Island schools may get a bad rap, but our professors were all awesome and laid back. (our classmates were not...but they learned to be haha)
Our professors would post really useful pictures of prosections to their school dropbox, and we just had to go on the school's system to access them... maybe they could do something like that?
I 100% agree. I just don't feel that those rules will be enforced. The instructors didn't even make any announcement when hindlimbs to be graded went missing, and the only ones left behind were unfinished (my eye is still twitching over that...).
We have 24/7 access to our cadavers. There are certain things that we will only see on those prosections though that will show up on the practical. We're not so much graded on dissection technique yet, but whether or not we uncovered everything bolded in our manual.
I wonder how they'd implement that for 130 people without disrupting the other lecture times. We do our own dissections obviously, and meet 3x a week now (we are free to dissect outside of the lab period, though). I could see them saying "Groups 1-4, your prosection time is Monday from 4-5" kinda thing. That would make sense imo but it is starting to sound like the instructors just don't want to spend the time keeping an eye on the prosections
Nooo you beat me to it
I went in there to talk to the head instructor today and made a couple of suggestions. He basically said they've tried it all and have resorted to taking away the prosections at this point. I'm still going to try these suggestions and see what he says though!
Meanwhile, I saw my RA like a handful of times per semester.
I feel like I should be able to spit out the list of cortisol effects right now, but I only know like half, which makes me worry more...
I think we're down to 128 students now. We had 1 dog, 1 dog pelvis, 1 horse limb (that was pinned with a guide), and maybe a bovine limb (I haven't gotten to see all of the specimens yet), and a cat. All of those prosections are on two tables in the center of the lab, and whenever they are out, 20 people are crowded around them. It's the same people for the most part, and I don't know what their own dissections look like. One lab group in particular has spent the majority/entire lab period quizzing each other on the prosections. For the most part, the prosections are out so we can see certain structures most of us can't dissect out well, or aren't supposed to dissect out (like the entire pelvis). I try to squeeze in, but people quite literally edge you out, tell you they're using the guide so you can't see it until they're done in 2 hours, whatever.
Yeah really it seems that the problem is the turn taking. Whether it be an 'understood' rule to take turns, a timer is set, whatever, people weren't respecting that. You should know that your group has no reason to spend 2 hours at the pinned horse limb playing quiz games to help you memorize it. There's only one horse limb, so you know that one limb will only be one question anyways. No point in obsessing over it when it will not look identical to the student dissections.
Now that I think about it, we never had fire/smoke alarms go off ever when I was in the dorms. Our biggest incidences were police raiding a girl's room for weed, a violent crazy guy, and when I came home from a late night at the library only to find my neighbor passed out in front of her door in a puddle of vomit.
