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[deuce]

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I 've heard pre-med is very competative at Hopkins, Yale, Stanford, and at princeton <15% of class gets an A in ochem; yet every undergrad school Im applying to tells me they get 80-90% premed into med school - that cant be true ?

Are there any schools where they dont grade premed courses on such a tough curve that one can get As if they are reasonably bright and work reasonably hard ?

If all undergrads premed courses garde on a curve, why not go to state U , ride and easier curve there , or better yet at a small liberal arts college where grading is even more generous , than at Ivies etc ?

 

[crazy250]

where you go for undergrad, like med school, depends where you fit in. if you think you can handle "hard" premed school, then go for it. otherwise, just go to your state school. you'll save money, have more fun, and still have the opportunity to go to a very good med school.

 

[Rendar5]

I honestly don't see the point of choosing a school based on pre-med programs. All a pre-med program should be is a chance to take gchem, ochem, physics, and bio with labs, and have a pre-med committee or advisors to help get you in.

go to whatever school makes you happy and don't even bother thinking about whether or not they have a competitive pre-med program

Oh, and most pre-meds when they enter college give up on it. I honestly think it's better to hold off and take it slow than go right into it trying to get into med school from day 1.

 

[jlee9531]

i have to agree with rendar here. i dont see the point of picking a school solely based on its pre-med program. if you want to go to a certain school because you feel you can fit in and like it then thats the school you should go to. regardless of where you go to school you still need to do well on the mcat.

gpa differences can be somewhat bridged by a good score on the mcat. even if you go to a harder school where grades are harder to obtain a good mcat score can put you on a somewhat equal level with someone who went to an alleged easier school that has a higher gpa than you.

so pick where you want to go and will feel you will have a great experience at.

 

[Benjo]

I have to respectfully disagree. Yes, a college (like med school) should be chosen partly based on fit. And yes, most pre-meds do drop out. But, if pre-med is your plan, you should definitely pay attention to how well your prospective undergrad school does in terms o fgetting their students into med school. It is undeniable that med schools care what school you went to, and it is harder to get noticed going to a "lesser" undergrad. I am slightly biased, though, having gone to Princeton, where the 95% acceptance rate for applicants is incessantly bragged about. But, it is no coincidence--there must be a reason that Princeton applicants do so well, right? Part of that reason is so-called rigor of the pre-med curriculum, but a lot of it is just plain old reputation, and that goes a long way whatever you do, at whatever stage of education you are at. So, my conclusion is to choose a school that both fits you and has a good reputation and a good track record for medical school applicants. I might be biased, but there are facts behind my case. ANd let's face it, people aren't really interested in Hopkins, Harvard, Duke, etc. med schools because they are good fits--they have ridiculous reputations, and they open doors, and that is what a lot of education is really about, in my opinion.

 

[CrazyCarl]

I've also heard that many competitive pre-med programs - for example, Hopkins - preserve those good numbers by refusing to support your application (with a committee letter) unless you do well in their curriculum. If this is the case, those stats are probably only for the select students who were allowed to apply in the first place.

(I should say this is hearsay, from my close friend who went to Hopkins undergrad.)

 

[bigdan]

OP-
CrazyCarl is onto something. My school encourages people with grades that are not the "med school normal" (ie: too low) to think about another profession...

dc

 

[UDbiochem]

"State U" - University of Delaware

in my organic classes, less than 5% got A's. In pchem, only 3%. in biology classes, less than 10% got A's.

Not all "State U's" are created equal. Just because someone goes to State U doesn't mean that they didn't have to work just as hard to get A's as if they were at Harvard/Hopkins/Princeton.

 

[medschoolorbust]

I hear the ivies and schools like Stanford severely inflate grades. So it should be easier to get an A or B there than at a state school. At my state school, they adored the bell curve and used it religously.

 

[peterockduke]

At Duke, nobody is discouraged from applying. My friend applied with a 2.85 gpa and a 30 MCAT (rich white girl, ave. EC's, she did have a great personal reason why she wanted to be a doc). She got into two schools.

My friend had a 2.9 gpa before he got his MCATs back he was still encouraged (35 MCAT btw).

 

[mlw03]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

School costs a lot of the above. med school has to cost you $$$, but undergrad doesn't necesarilly have to. if you have a good state school with cheap (or better, free) tuition for in-state, i'd say take it. even if you stay in-state for med school you're looking at 80K of debt most likely. yes, Ivy's have name, but they're bloody $$$.

realize this: if you go to a private undergrad and get no scholarships you're looking at 100K of debt probably and then you go to a private med and have another 200K debt... that's a lot of friggin' $$$.

 

[bigbaubdi]

Originally posted by CrazyCarl
I've also heard that many competitive pre-med programs - for example, Hopkins - preserve those good numbers by refusing to support your application (with a committee letter) unless you do well in their curriculum. If this is the case, those stats are probably only for the select students who were allowed to apply in the first place.

(I should say this is hearsay, from my close friend who went to Hopkins undergrad.)

The pre-med advisors at Hopkins are pretty frank about your application. They don't hesitate to tell you the flaws in your application but if you act on them, you will be rewarded. Quite a few people have been discouraged through this process (just like any other school) however if you really want to be a doctor, then they will tell you how to get there.

 

[TRUE]

Originally posted by bigdan
OP-
CrazyCarl is onto something. My school encourages people with grades that are not the "med school normal" (ie: too low) to think about another profession...

dc

This is true, but I've never heard that if you're set on going to medical school that they will refuse to help you out. They just tell you that you have little chance to get in and you should work for a year and do something ot strengthen your application. But if you just tell them you're absolutely set and are doing it no matter what, they can't stop you from applying and I'm pretty sure they still write you a letter (at least here at columbia).

 

[TRUE]

Originally posted by medschoolorbust
I hear the ivies and schools like Stanford severely inflate grades. So it should be easier to get an A or B there than at a state school. At my state school, they adored the bell curve and used it religously.

I will tell you that what you hear, is severely mistaken at some Ivy league schools. Here at Columbia, it is nearly impossible to get in the A range. Getting a B is no problem at all, but getting the extra points for the A is rather difficult. You are competing with a LOT of smart people and many classes (at least in the sciences), are curved to a B/B- and sometimes (rarely, a C+ or B+). Mostly B/b- curves. There are some majors that are easier than others to earn good grades in where 3/4 of the class gets an A range grade (mostly english and history), but in science classes, the average A % for the class is about 20-35%. I know because they put it on our transcript...

I'm not sure if it would be easier at State U, but I would imagine that it would be. You just aren't competing against the same people. It's as simple as that. If you're pretty smart, you get to State U, and you're up there. At an Ivy, EVERYONE is pretty smart. you're no longer hot stuff or the best of the best...

However, all of this works in your favor if you go to an Ivy or a similar school. Med Schools know that it's harder and take that into account. Your 3.5 GPA at an Ivy is not the same as a 3.5 at State U. I know because i've talked to various admissions people about this. They definately have a different take on it. That's my two cents.

 

[Tezzie]

The problem is though that if you get a 3.1 - 3.3 from an Ivy you are screwed if u aim for a school in the top 10. If you look at the avg gpas they soar at around 3.7-3.8.

If one is looking for the easiest way to get a 4.0 gpa then go study history of economics at Harvard.

The problem is though that a lot of State Us don't give out grades as easily as people think.

The other issue that can easily come up is how much easier is it to get a good grade at an elite university (eg Harvard, Stanford, etc) vs other elites (eg MIT, CalTech, etc). I am not sure if adcoms know how hard is it get a 3.6 at MIT but i am pretty sure that if there is an applicant from Harvard with a 3.9 and an applicant from the most hardcore major at MIT with a 3.3 everything else being equal they could possibly take the Harvard grad (considering how numbers based admissions are these days).

The fact of the matter is this : Go to the school where you think you will fit in best. Go to the school where you think you will get the most out of. Go to the school where you won't have to starve for 4 years to make the tuition payments.

Thinking about going to med school when you are senior in highschool is kinda silly. Don't worry about what happens 4 years from now.

 

[jhrugger]

deuce,

for interest, where are you thinking of applying and is your primary consideration the premed program?

 

[yeeester]

my thoughts about princeton-

i am currently a senior here and it is extremely difficult to get a's in science classes. that doesn't mean that people won't get them, just that alsmost everyone has trouble CONSISTENTLY getting all a's. having said that, our average gpa for people accepted to med school is slightly lower than the national average, and the average mcat score for pton applicants is around a 32. the best way to judge whether the name helps is our acceptance rate at "prestigious" med schools. here is that list:

nyu 32%
columbia 30%
WashU 28%
Penn 18%
Harvard 18%
Yale 17%
Stanford 13%

I can't find the #'s for some other schools, bc our premed office only gives out the ones that the highest # of people apply to (so our acceptance rate to NJ-RWJ is almost 50%, but i don't think too many people care). so, while some people might say that our premed acceptance rate, meaning the rate at which applicants get into some school, is ludicrously high due to the premed advisors telling us to not apply if we have low gpas, numbers, etc., i think it is ludicrously high because pton/other ivy's applicants get accepted to awesome med schools at a really high rate. there is a fairly evident bias here, as the schools listed that pton people have the highest success rate are on the east coast. so, after all this bs, am i happy i went to pton? yes and no, my life would be a lot easier at a state school, but the prestige associated with an ivy or a great public like UC, UVA, Umich, etc is well worth it. just be prepared to work hard. if i had it to do over again, i would still come here. but my friends from home party all the time and pull higher gpas than me at their SEC schools.

those are my thoughts

 

[TRUE]

Originally posted by Tezzie
The problem is though that if you get a 3.1 - 3.3 from an Ivy you are screwed if u aim for a school in the top 10. If you look at the avg gpas they soar at around 3.7-3.8.

I didn't get into a top 10 (didn't really apply), but I had a 3.3 from Columbia and I was able to get into MSSM where the avg GPA is a 3.63. I had one friend with a 3.1 from harvard get into Columbia Med (31 mcat) and another friend with a 3.2 from Columbia get into Harvard med (28 mcat...but absurd EC's). Things are possible. GPA doesn't determine everything

 

[Tezzie]

Originally posted by facted
I didn't get into a top 10 (didn't really apply), but I had a 3.3 from Columbia and I was able to get into MSSM where the avg GPA is a 3.63. I had one friend with a 3.1 from harvard get into Columbia Med (31 mcat) and another friend with a 3.2 from Columbia get into Harvard med (28 mcat...but absurd EC's). Things are possible. GPA doesn't determine everything

Yeah and i have a friend of mine from Stanford with a 3.6 and a 33 MCAT that got flat out rejected from all top 10s with the exception of Columbia where he has crazy legacy. He got into Downstate only so far and interviewed at Georgetown and BU. Btw i am not sure if it was his numbers that hurt him or the rest of his application. It kinda sucks because he is an amazing person and i know how unhappy he is now.

A lot of the top 10s claim that numbers are important until you get to the interview where by that point you are on an equal playing field.

But considering how much emphasis top schools put on their rankings, they seem to be number whoring (esp WashU and Columbia 🙂 ).

 

[summervacation]

Hi guys, I just wanted to add something that hasn't come up yet. From my personal experience, going to an Ivy League school not only helps you in the admissions process (i.e. receiving top-10 med school interviews and acceptances), but also gives you an advantage in full tuition merit scholarships offered by various schools (i.e. UMich, WashU).

Med schools realize that applicants from Ivy League schools tend to apply to and are competitive at a number of top med schools, whose "prestige factor" is greater than theirs and thus great-but-lesser-known schools tend to offer heavy financial incentives in order to stay competitive for those students.

Finally, if you want hard evidence that Ivy Leaguers have a distinct advantage at top schools just open up the student handbook given out at the Columbia interview and look at the 2004 class pictures, which list their undergrad institution. Students are overwhelmingly drawn from the Ivies. Same with the UPenn class list. I haven't seen other schools' lists, but I would think that this is pretty common with a number of top institutions.

 

[mpm235]

Deuce,

Obviously, everyone has a lot to say about their particular school. That should be helpful. You may want to list the 3-4 colleges you're considering and let individuals from those schools weigh in on their experiences and give advice.

Every student is going to "defend" the difficulty of their school and talk about their pre-med track. Something to consider beyond the name of the school is the trends that go along with it. I went to Northwestern but was also accepted at Ivy Leagues/Duke/Stanford. Most students at all these schools are flat-out smart. As high school seniors, they are ALL more likely to get into medical school than someone who doesn't get into any of those schools. There's a bias of intelligence favoring those students because most will score higher on the MCAT than the average pre-med. They are great test-takers who did incredibly well in high school. That's going to show in their pre-med pursuits. For example, someone who scores a 1050 on the SAT is most likely not going to score a 35 on the MCAT.

As far as class difficulty at a school, don't think about that. I would choose a school based on academic reputation and fit in your life (location, size, cost). Even if you are 100% sure you will be a doctor, find the place that'll challenge your mind and give you the best college experience for YOU. I felt that place for me was Northwestern. I dropped pre-med freshman year and graduated in Econ and Anthro. Then, entered business, only to leave quickly to finish pre-med after school. The job opportunities out of NU are far superior to any state school. You don't know this until you get there. The I-banks and consulting firms in some cases don't recruit at other schools, or accept 1 from the other school but 4or5 from NU. Just make sure you keep your options open by going to the best overall school for you.

Lastly, and hopefully others will give additional perspective, is this general pre-med advice.

1) Talk to upperclassmen about pre-med classes (teachers and summer tracks). A senior in your fraternity or your RA is going to have a wealth of inside info. For example, I'd recommend taking bio at Havard in the summer. Great teacher and prepares you well for the MCAT.

2) Decide whether to major in science or not. Interviewers for med school loved my Econ and Anthro background. It was unique. A lot about med school admissions is standing out. A 4.0 and 37 does that, but so do a lot of other things. Know your academic strengths and major in one.

3) Test your interest in medicine asap. Volunteer in an ER starting out freshman year. Try to find a summer job working in a hospital or for a doctor. This clinical experience is crucial for med school admissions. It looks good, but more importantly it is invaluable during your interview.

4) If you want to go to a top 10-20 school, research exposure is pretty important. Try to get a clinical/basic research position btw junior and senior year.

5) Find some GPA boosting classes. Especially ones that are math and science. The med school application provides 2 GPAS, overall and math/science. Do well not only in science classes, but also in math. A lot of freshmen pre-meds don't necessarily know this.

6) Letters of Rec need meaningful relationships, not just going to office hours to work on problems. Make sure to find 2 science faculty and one non-science faculty and form strong relationships. Grab a lunch or talk about things in your life, so find a relatively cool professor.

Hope this helps some...when you find out about acceptances, I would look specifically into those schools.

Mike

 

[sanoge7]

Originally posted by medschoolorbust
I hear the ivies and schools like Stanford severely inflate grades. So it should be easier to get an A or B there than at a state school. At my state school, they adored the bell curve and used it religously.

Note that the inflation occurs in the humanities and not in the sciences, at least in my school. They curved beginning intro physics at a C and you have to fight and work hard just to get by with B's in science classes!!!

 

[yeeester]

one more thing i didnt add that someone has brought up since-

jobs after school. if you decide to drop premed, the opportunities that top undergrad institutions offer is unbelievable. i am a science major and i got interviews with the best consulting firms in the country, because they only interview at harvard, yale, princeton, and sometimes stanford/northwestern/penn. a couple of my friends are in the business school at emory and they couldn't pull the interviews that i got, and i have NO business experience.

so, while i'm not saying go ivy go ivy, know that it does help your future by opening some doors. you have to cover your bases. i know a ton of people who entered as premeds and didnt make it, or started as econ/math and changed to premed. as people have said before, top undergrads open doors, but after that you are on your own. my friends not at ivies can't open the doors to the top financial firms.

 

[missbonnie]

Originally posted by yeeester
one more thing i didnt add that someone has brought up since-

jobs after school. if you decide to drop premed, the opportunities that top undergrad institutions offer is unbelievable. i am a science major and i got interviews with the best consulting firms in the country, because they only interview at harvard, yale, princeton, and sometimes stanford/northwestern/penn. a couple of my friends are in the business school at emory and they couldn't pull the interviews that i got, and i have NO business experience.

so, while i'm not saying go ivy go ivy, know that it does help your future by opening some doors. you have to cover your bases. i know a ton of people who entered as premeds and didnt make it, or started as econ/math and changed to premed. as people have said before, top undergrads open doors, but after that you are on your own. my friends not at ivies can't open the doors to the top financial firms.

true, true. opens doors. better education? I think so. the hot current intellectuals tend to teach at ivies. you get to meet them and learn from them. classe are smaller.

i got my former job at a top investment firm cuz they interviewed at my school..and honestly, i think they needed to fill the female/columbia quota, but don't quote me on that. Once I got there, I found out that there was very strong cohort of Columbia/Barnard alums that actively recruited from there and I also helped to recruit grads from my alma mater. And once I got there, the connection pretty much dropped. It was up to me to succeed.

Ivy or not, it comes down to this: connections work. people want to hire/admit people that other people know and trust. BUT, if you're just a connected person and not much behind the glazed eyes, you won't go far.

bonnie

 

[Tezzie]

Originally posted by missbonnie
true, true. opens doors. better education? I think so. the hot current intellectuals tend to teach at ivies. you get to meet them and learn from them. classe are smaller.

i got my former job at a top investment firm cuz they interviewed at my school..and honestly, i think they needed to fill the female/columbia quota, but don't quote me on that. Once I got there, I found out that there was very strong cohort of Columbia/Barnard alums that actively recruited from there and I also helped to recruit grads from my alma mater. And once I got there, the connection pretty much dropped. It was up to me to succeed.

Ivy or not, it comes down to this: connections work. people want to hire/admit people that other people know and trust. BUT, if you're just a connected person and not much behind the glazed eyes, you won't go far.

bonnie

Why do you keep ranting about your I-Banking/Consulting experiences? It has nothing to do with this board. Let alone the fact that (for example) Lazard recruits at UIUC and Florida A&M but when it comes to UPenn they recruit only at Wharton.

The fact that you haven't gotten any decent interviews/acceptances in the med applications process proves that you can go to an elite school and still remain an uncompetitive applicant. What you are saying is that you are falling back on to your undergrads prestige to make up for a lackluster application.

There are tons of reasons why someone SHOULD go to an Ivy or Ivy-type school. Some of the elite schools these days are not up to par academically with other less known institutions and that is a fact. The only thing that is keeping some schools going is the alumni connection. Look at Brown - how much it was respected in the past and where it is now. The assumption that someone who finishes a generic B.A in a top instution is going to attend classes by superstar faculty is just plain wrong. Who do you think teaches O-Chem? Plus let's not forget the fact that some State Us excel in specific fields (eg UIUC in engineering and marketing).

I did attend a top 10 if that matters for anything. I never cared about the prestige that i got from it. My reasons and what i got out of attending it were : they offered me money, there are sooo many research opportunities, it has one of the best med schools in the nation which helped when time for volunteering/ECs/research came, it has a truly diverse student body etc. Although i have been really succesful in this process i would like to think that my ugrads prestige was just the icing of the cake.

After watching an episode of Rich Girls and seeing one of the biggest tools of NYC make it in there, one has to re-evaluate if Barnard is truly an elite college with "smart" students.

 

[sanoge7]

I don't think Barnard is considered an "Ivy league" school. NO way.

 

[Tezzie]

Originally posted by sanoge7
I don't think Barnard is considered an "Ivy league" school. NO way.

LOL!

The classic is Barnard Ivy League or Not arguement 🙂

 

[Chrisobean]

its one of those seven sister schools... they are all affiliated with ivy's (that were all once for men) but they are not ivy's themselves (ie wanna-be's)

columbia + barnard
cornell + vassar
harvard + wellesley
the others are smith, bryn mawr, mount holyoke, brown?

or something like that... and every girl i know from barnard sucks.

 

[sanoge7]

Originally posted by Chrisobean
its one of those seven sister schools... they are all affiliated with ivy's (that were all once for men)

columbia + barnard
cornell + vassar
harvard + wellesley
the others are smith, bryn mawr, mount holyoke, brown?

or something like that... and every girl i know from barnard sucks.

haha tezzie. i don't mean to start another argument! but, the reality is all of those schools have "affiliations" with the ivys. "affiliations" whether loose or strong do not mean "equal" to ivy-league schools. no one considers them as good. They are separate schools! Please.

 

[Chrisobean]

that's what i just said!

 

[yeeester]

one more thing i didnt add that someone has brought up since-

jobs after school. if you decide to drop premed, the opportunities that top undergrad institutions offer is unbelievable. i am a science major and i got interviews with the best consulting firms in the country, because they only interview at harvard, yale, princeton, and sometimes stanford/northwestern/penn. a couple of my friends are in the business school at emory and they couldn't pull the interviews that i got, and i have NO business experience.

so, while i'm not saying go ivy go ivy, know that it does help your future by opening some doors. you have to cover your bases. i know a ton of people who entered as premeds and didnt make it, or started as econ/math and changed to premed. as people have said before, top undergrads open doors, but after that you are on your own. my friends not at ivies can't open the doors to the top financial firms.

 

[yeeester]

oops, dont know what im doing

 

[xlithiumx]

Regarding the "my school doesn't inflate grades, and therefore it's so so so hard..." argument.

College is supposed to be hard. Sciences are supposed to be harder. Medical school will be much harder than your hardest undergrad work. Your workweek will be hard when you're a physician...probably a lot harder than most people. Bottom line, the rest of your life is going to be hard, and if you have to whine now, maybe you should just quit, because it's not getting any easier from here on out. 🙂

 

[peterockduke]

If your school is full of all stars, they'd prove it on the MCAT, LSAT etc.

 

[missbonnie]

Originally posted by Tezzie
Why do you keep ranting about your I-Banking/Consulting experiences? It has nothing to do with this board. Let alone the fact that (for example) Lazard recruits at UIUC and Florida A&M but when it comes to UPenn they recruit only at Wharton.

The fact that you haven't gotten any decent interviews/acceptances in the med applications process proves that you can go to an elite school and still remain an uncompetitive applicant. What you are saying is that you are falling back on to your undergrads prestige to make up for a lackluster application.

There are tons of reasons why someone SHOULD go to an Ivy or Ivy-type school. Some of the elite schools these days are not up to par academically with other less known institutions and that is a fact. The only thing that is keeping some schools going is the alumni connection. Look at Brown - how much it was respected in the past and where it is now. The assumption that someone who finishes a generic B.A in a top instution is going to attend classes by superstar faculty is just plain wrong. Who do you think teaches O-Chem? Plus let's not forget the fact that some State Us excel in specific fields (eg UIUC in engineering and marketing).

I did attend a top 10 if that matters for anything. I never cared about the prestige that i got from it. My reasons and what i got out of attending it were : they offered me money, there are sooo many research opportunities, it has one of the best med schools in the nation which helped when time for volunteering/ECs/research came, it has a truly diverse student body etc. Although i have been really succesful in this process i would like to think that my ugrads prestige was just the icing of the cake.

After watching an episode of Rich Girls and seeing one of the biggest tools of NYC make it in there, one has to re-evaluate if Barnard is truly an elite college with "smart" students.

I never said Barnard = Ivy. I know it's not. Recruiting takes place at both schools though. I was substantiating someone else's post that the school you attend can open doors to things: jobs, med schools, whatever from my experience.

 

[exmike]

Originally posted by missbonnie
I never said Barnard = Ivy. I know it's not. Recruiting takes place at both schools though. I was substantiating someone else's post that the school you attend can open doors to things: jobs, med schools, whatever from my experience.

I was under the impression that barnard students got Columbia diplomas

 

[missbonnie]

I think technically, the only IVY part of Columbia U is Columbia College.

As far as degrees go, all degrees are conferred by Columbia Univ. including Barnard.

 

[klooless]

Originally posted by Tezzie

The fact that you haven't gotten any decent interviews/acceptances in the med applications process proves that you can go to an elite school and still remain an uncompetitive applicant. What you are saying is that you are falling back on to your undergrads prestige to make up for a lackluster application.

Tezzie, Tezzie, darling...you really need to chill out. Why are you always on this board bragging about the "top" med. institutions you were accepted to, but then turn around and say that names don't matter?

A few words of advice: HYPOCRISY IS NOT CUTE!!!!!!

Originally posted by Tezzie

I did attend a top 10 if that matters for anything. I never cared about the prestige that i got from it. My reasons and what i got out of attending it were : they offered me money, there are sooo many research opportunities, it has one of the best med schools in the nation which helped when time for volunteering/ECs/research came, it has a truly diverse student body etc. Although i have been really succesful in this process i would like to think that my ugrads prestige was just the icing of the cake 😴😴😴

I got a full ride to Wash U undergrad just as you did, but I chose to attend Yale. Perhaps WashU undergrad's fabricated prestige was insufficient....or perhaps there were other reasons. Does your warped version of reality hold that your actions are somehow noble, and thus superior?

Do me a favor and let me know what medical school you choose to attend....because I will definitely opt for the other one...I don't recall your bragging about a Cornell or UCSF acceptance, so perhaps I'll choose one of those??? JFTR: I didn't apply to WashU med, so you go to WashU, and I'll go to Hopkins??!!😍

Disclaimer:
As you've probably already guessed, this girl's posts has been irritating me for quite some time. And being the unfortunate human that I am, I could only bottle my loathing for a finite period.

 

[Rendar5]

Originally posted by missbonnie
I think technically, the only IVY part of Columbia U is Columbia College.

As far as degrees go, all degrees are conferred by Columbia Univ. including Barnard.

GSers and SEAS are also Ivy, I think? I guess it would depend on if any football players have done those instead of CC.

 

[Tezzie]

Originally posted by klooless
Tezzie, Tezzie, darling...you really need to chill out. Why are you always on this board bragging about the "top" med. institutions you were accepted to, but then turn around and say that names don't matter?

A few words of advice: HYPOCRISY IS NOT CUTE!!!!!!

Uhm you are truly funny. The prestige of med school for those interested in academic medicine is vital for various reasons. You can't compare the two.

Superstar applicants can be from every school. That is esp true in the case of undergrad colleges.

I got a full ride to Wash U undergrad just as you did, but I chose to attend Yale. Perhaps WashU undergrad's fabricated prestige was insufficient....or perhaps there were other reasons. Does your warped version of reality hold that your actions are somehow noble, and thus superior?

I find it funny that you call WashUs prestige to be fabricated. I am not sure that i would use such an expression for any of the top schools.

I am glad though that you turned down your scholarship money allowed someone who knows when to accept a good education for free to get it. Surely i have "fabricated" prestige now for my alma matter vs you that has "true" prestige but i found better use for my 100k and had a much better time here than New Haven. Unfortunately for you though i don't come from a trashy nouveau riche backround - so i have no need for "true and non fabricated" prestige.

Do me a favor and let me know what medical school you choose to attend....because I will definitely opt for the other one...I don't recall your bragging about a Cornell or UCSF acceptance, so perhaps I'll choose one of those??? JFTR: I didn't apply to WashU med, so you go to WashU, and I'll go to Hopkins??!!😍

Wherever you go people will see what a wannabe you are and either way you are gonna be miserable. Enjoy!

Disclaimer:
As you've probably already guessed, this girl's posts has been irritating me for quite some time. And being the unfortunate human that I am, I could only bottle my loathing for a finite period.

You have 22 posts and have registered just a couple of months ago (considering last month i haven't been posting as much) and now you know me? Oh congrats! You are truly smart. If you don't like my posts - there is a little button down there called "ignore". A smart person with such harsh feelings would have just pressed it and moved on. Considering the fact that you have 0 credibility though, you are just another troll.

Oh and ps i misunderstood Bonnie and i have already apologized for whatever i told her via pm. I may be a bitch at times and maybe not smart enough to choose a college with a "non fabricated" prestige but i do know when to say sorry for being wrong.

Enjoy!

 

[TRUE]

Originally posted by Rendar5
GSers and SEAS are also Ivy, I think? I guess it would depend on if any football players have done those instead of CC.

Yup. They definately are ivy.

 

[TRUE]

Originally posted by Chrisobean
just b/c someone goes to a state school does not mean they arent Ivy material. i chose stony brook over columbia for my undergrad because of the price tag. everything is curved to a C.. and out of a class of >500, maybe 10 get A's? there are many many brilliant people there, and since the majority is pre-med, you are competing against the best of the best.
people go to ivy's for the name and repuatation, its as simple as that. it does not guarantee a better education.

Great. I never said it guaranteed a better education. However, when you graduate from a mediocre school, the same opportunities are harder to come by. I know in the business world, having an Ivy education (or equivilant) opens doors that are harder to open for non-ivy grads and the same is true for medical school. There are certaintly going to be amazing people everywhere you go. I'm certain that people from nearly any school can get in anywhere they want if their grades are high enough, but a 3.5, 32 from Harvard is not the same as a 3.5, 32 from say the University of Florida.

 

[musiclink213]

the school i attend is not known at all for it's science education, although that is quickly changing. but i'm so glad i went here, rather than my state school or any other big name college. the classes are so much smaller, my gen chem calss had 9 people in it, intro bio doesnt go above 60, org. has ~25 people in it. it's so much more personal, i know every prof. in the chem dept, even though i haven't had all of them simply because i'm a major in the dept. its this individualized attention i wouldn't have recieved in my state school that drew me to the school i'm in now. also, since we don't have a grad school, all the research is done by the undergrads, and we have so many more oppurtunities to do research, even as a soph, than my counterparts at school with bigger science depts.

it's actually kind of like a joke in my school, that our dept. boasts a 90% acceptance rate into med school from the chem/biochem dept. on average, there's about 20 total that graduate with a degree in biochem or chem every year, roughly 2/3 of them apply to med school, and 90% of those get accepted. do the math.

 

[BigRedPingpong]

Tezzie,
Respond to this post please.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=99703

u obnoxious byatch

By the by, wash u was just recently crowned top ten so don't get all razzle dazzle about your school. When you matriculated it wasn't.

Originally posted by Tezzie
Uhm you are truly funny. The prestige of med school for those interested in academic medicine is vital for various reasons. You can't compare the two.

Superstar applicants can be from every school. That is esp true in the case of undergrad colleges.



I find it funny that you call WashUs prestige to be fabricated. I am not sure that i would use such an expression for any of the top schools.

I am glad though that you turned down your scholarship money allowed someone who knows when to accept a good education for free to get it. Surely i have "fabricated" prestige now for my alma matter vs you that has "true" prestige but i found better use for my 100k and had a much better time here than New Haven. Unfortunately for you though i don't come from a trashy nouveau riche backround - so i have no need for "true and non fabricated" prestige.



Wherever you go people will see what a wannabe you are and either way you are gonna be miserable. Enjoy!



You have 22 posts and have registered just a couple of months ago (considering last month i haven't been posting as much) and now you know me? Oh congrats! You are truly smart. If you don't like my posts - there is a little button down there called "ignore". A smart person with such harsh feelings would have just pressed it and moved on. Considering the fact that you have 0 credibility though, you are just another troll.

Oh and ps i misunderstood Bonnie and i have already apologized for whatever i told her via pm. I may be a bitch at times and maybe not smart enough to choose a college with a "non fabricated" prestige but i do know when to say sorry for being wrong.

Enjoy!

 

[exmike]

Does this mean i can claim i went to a "top 10" undergrad since Johns Hopkins was #10 when i applied? 😀

 

[sanoge7]

Originally posted by Rendar5
GSers and SEAS are also Ivy, I think? I guess it would depend on if any football players have done those instead of CC.

what is GSers and SEAS? Am I dumb?

 

[Lux Aeterna]

GS = general studies
SEAS = school of engineering and applied science

(i think!)

 

[Tezzie]

Originally posted by Lux Aeterna
GS = general studies
SEAS = school of engineering and applied science

(i think!)

Correct!

 

[jlee9531]

Originally posted by facted
a 3.5, 32 from Harvard is not the same as a 3.5, 32 from say the University of Florida.

so true...the harvard guy should have gotten a higher mcat. that slacker 🙄

 

[trauma_junky]

Texas A&M University Biomedical Science Program. Ball buster!