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If you were accepted to a DO school, can you re apply MD? Lets say your app gets a lot stronger in the year you are applying. Would you have a lot of explaining to do?
If you were accepted to a DO school, can you re apply MD? Lets say your app gets a lot stronger in the year you are applying. Would you have a lot of explaining to do?
Right...but those are factors which you ABSOLUTELY should have weighed BEFORE applying DO.Well I want to be a physician but I don't want to be faced with bias all my life. It's not a job that you can just change in two years, it's a career that stays with you
There is no guarantee that you will get any acceptances when you reapply. Would you rather be a DO physician that has to work around some bias, or risk not being a physician at all?Well I want to be a physician but I don't want to be faced with bias all my life. It's not a job that you can just change in two years, it's a career that stays with you
Well I want to be a physician but I don't want to be faced with bias all my life. It's not a job that you can just change in two years, it's a career that stays with you
If you were accepted to a DO school, can you re apply MD? Lets say your app gets a lot stronger in the year you are applying. Would you have a lot of explaining to do?
Well I want to be a physician but I don't want to be faced with bias all my life. It's not a job that you can just change in two years, it's a career that stays with you
Yeah I haven't applied yet. Just was asking a hypothetical. But thank you for the responses
Apply to DO schools. Get an acceptance. Defer and reapply to MD schools. If you get MD take MD. If not, you'll have the DO acceptance.
Can you always defer? Or does there have to be an extenuating circumstance?
And even if you manage to get a deferral for something else, such as Peace Corps or TFA, most (maybe even all?) med schools do not allow you to apply to other medical schools while you are holding a deferral. You will have to give up your seat in order to apply elsewhere.
Can you always defer? Or does there have to be an extenuating circumstance?
Apply to DO schools. Get an acceptance. Defer and reapply to MD schools. If you get MD take MD. If not, you'll have the DO acceptance.
You do not have to give up the seat. Stop spreading misinformation.
Deferred applicants will sign a contract that obligates the applicant to enter the UWSOM the following year and in which the applicant agrees not to apply to any other medical school.
The applicant is expected to provide a written commitment to attend as scheduled and to refrain from applying to other medical schools.
Making application to another medical school during the period of deferment will result in withdrawal of the initial offer of acceptance and loss of position at the University of Utah School of Medicine.
You will not seek admission to another medical school during the period of your deferment.
Deferred students cannot apply to other medical schools during their deferral year.
Such requests may be considered only if during the deferral year the student will be involved either in completing coursework leading to a degree, a specified research project, or a clinical activity in which he/she will receive a better understanding and appreciation for the delivery of healthcare. No other proposals qualify for deferral.
The Deferral Committee will consider requests individually and will typically grant deferrals for research, academic programs (graduate studies, scholarship) or service programs.
Matriculation deferrals will be considered for educational and medical reasons only.
Absolutely not.This is actually very good advice.
Yes you do:
University of Wisconsin
Boston University
University of Utah
University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston
New York Medical College
You are the one spreading misinformation. And even if you were right, deferrals aren't meant for reapplying. They are meant for a) taking time off to get around a serious personal issue like a major illness or the death of the family or b) to enrich one's understanding of medicine by doing something like a Fullbright or Peace Corps or health policy internship at the DHHS.
Albert Einstein
Johns Hopkins
University of Wisconsin
Absolutely not.
You're a premed too. Just being accepted into medical school doesn't make you a medical student. I'm also accepted to med school, BTW.Listen Pre-Med.
Show me this in writing. Because it sounds like a lot of speculation, and if OP takes your advice and it turns out that your speculation is wrong, things could backfire catastrophically.If you hold a DO acceptance and are able to secure a legitimate deferral (Peace Corp/NIH/FDA/TFA etc.), you have every right to apply to MD programs and/or other degree programs (MBA/PA/PhD etc.). You can do whatever you want to do. It will be your choice to turn down the acceptance after the deferral year. Same thing for MD schools (Have the right to apply to DO programs)
Nowhere in any of those statements was "MD" mentioned. It just said medical school.These schools that you quoted refer to re-applying to another MD school during the deferral year while holding an acceptance. For example, if I deferred my acceptance and applied to another MD school through AMCAS that would be grounds for losing the seat.
Even if there isn't any automatic communication between AMCAS and AACOMAS, I'd imagine that if you drop your DO deferral to go to an MD school, the dean of said DO school would be fuming, and would probably take the time to write an angry letter to AMCAS explaining the situation.AACOMAS and AMCAS do not communicate with each other.
You're a premed too. Just being accepted into medical school doesn't make you a medical student. I'm also accepted to med school, BTW.
Show me this in writing. Because it sounds like a lot of speculation, and if OP takes your advice and it turns out that your speculation is wrong, things could backfire catastrophically. Nowhere in any of those statements was "MD" mentioned. It just said medical school. And even if there isn't any automatic communication between AMCAS and AACOMAS, I'd imaging that if you drop your DO deferral to apply to med school, the dean of said DO school would be fuming, and he'd probably take the time to write an angry letter to AMCAS or directly to the MD school in question.
I edited my post. Hopefully it's clearer now.You're not making any sense.
I edited my post. Hopefully it's clearer now.
I am well aware.EspadaLeader is correct. AACOMAS and AMCAS do not communicate at all.
Getting off a waitlist is an entirely different situation. It is expected that many accepted students will also be on waitlists and both AMCAS and AACOMAS explicitly allow this. On the other hand, most schools explicitly forbid applying to other medical schools while you are holding a deferred acceptance. How could the difference be any clearer?There are previous posts even stating that students at DO schools started there and then a week later will get off the waitlist at an MD and drop out of the DO school to attend the MD school.
Even if you're right, this is where the notion of integrity comes in. The spirit of the deferral guidelines are clear: If you absolutely don't want to go DO, you shouldn't defer. Instead, you should decline the acceptance. Just because you can get away with deferring and reapplying, it doesn't make it the right thing to do.Even if the dean wrote a "fuming" letter, it won't do anything because the student can just say they had a change in heart with the philosophy of osteopathy and can pretty much talk their way out of it. The MD schools wouldn't rescind him/her just for not going to the DO school. It's a slightly different curriculum and a different degree.
If you were accepted to a DO school, can you re apply MD? Lets say your app gets a lot stronger in the year you are applying. Would you have a lot of explaining to do?
I am well aware.
It should be obvious that getting off a waitlist is completely different situation. It is expected that many accepted students will also be on waitlists and both AMCAS and AACOMAS explicitly allow this. On the other hand, most schools explicitly forbid applying to other medical schools while you are holding a deferred acceptance. How could the difference be any clearer?
Even if you're right, this is where the notion of integrity comes in. The spirit of the deferral guidelines are clear: If you absolutely don't want to go DO, you shouldn't defer. Instead, you should decline the acceptance. Just because you can get away with deferring and reapplying, it doesn't make it the right thing to do.
I am well aware.
Getting off a waitlist is an entirely different situation. It is expected that many accepted students will also be on waitlists and both AMCAS and AACOMAS explicitly allow this. On the other hand, most schools explicitly forbid applying to other medical schools while you are holding a deferred acceptance. How could the difference be any clearer?
Even if you're right, this is where the notion of integrity comes in. The spirit of the deferral guidelines are clear: If you absolutely don't want to go DO, you shouldn't defer. Instead, you should decline the acceptance. Just because you can get away with deferring and reapplying, it doesn't make it the right thing to do.
I wonder what @Goro thinks about this whole defer and reapply idea.
Oh wait. If you get accepted to a DO school and then decline the acceptance, is that still documented as an "acceptance to medical school?"
The only reason I would even contemplate that is if over the course of the year, I have no luck with MD and am unhappy going to a DO school. That may not even be true, but I just want to know if there is a chance you can decline an acceptance and then re apply. It also saves me a potential year and time is money.
Right, but you're also gambling away your option to ever reapply DO if your 2nd round of MD apps doesn't pan out.Oh wait. If you get accepted to a DO school and then decline the acceptance, is that still documented as an "acceptance to medical school?"
The only reason I would even contemplate that is if over the course of the year, I have no luck with MD and am unhappy going to a DO school. That may not even be true, but I just want to know if there is a chance you can decline an acceptance and then re apply. It also saves me a potential year and time is money.
Right...but those are factors which you ABSOLUTELY should have weighed BEFORE applying DO.
Applying DO when you weren't planning to go if accepted was a poor decision, and demonstrates poor foresight, planning, financial sense, and commitment. You may have a shot...but you'll be applying MD with an app that didn't get you in last year, whatever improvements you make in the intervening time, and a glaring "also I make poor decisions" sticker on top (if you disclose your DO acceptance or it gets discovered).
Oh wait. If you get accepted to a DO school and then decline the acceptance, is that still documented as an "acceptance to medical school?"
The only reason I would even contemplate that is if over the course of the year, I have no luck with MD and am unhappy going to a DO school. That may not even be true, but I just want to know if there is a chance you can decline an acceptance and then re apply. It also saves me a potential year and time is money.
Circumstances didn't change, though. DO is still DO. The only thing that changes over the course of the app season is that OP would actually do the considering and weighing that they should do NOW, at the beginning of the season, before applying.I disagree. He would have applied to the same MD schools, and was not accepted to the same MD schools. He was, on the other hand, accepted to a DO school he interviewed at.
Post DO acceptance, he is having second thoughts, and is not comfortable with the decision, which is personal for him.
One time, I was hired to wash dishes. I however, did not take the job. But, I would have if circumstances did not change for me. Make sense? It was not poor foresight for me to apply to wash dishes, it was something I considered doing if it came to that.
You can not hold your DO spot and defer for a year, while trying to gain an MD acceptance. You need to let it go, or go ahead and matriculate.
Personally, I would do what I felt best for me personally. Your mileage may vary.
If you decline, you will have to admit being accepted but not matriculating.
If you re-apply MD, you should be OK. You you re-apply DO, you should not be OK.
Circumstances didn't change, though. DO is still DO. The only thing that changes over the course of the app season is that OP would actually do the considering and weighing that they should do NOW, at the beginning of the season, before applying.
Whether or not you are willing to go DO is a difficult decision...however, it is one better made before applying rather than after pulling the trigger. OP should stop dickering around over it, because the decision won't get easier. At some point you've got to make a choice and stick to it.
By applying DO and then declining admission, OP would essentially leave himself without a backup option for any future app cycles they go through, which is just plain stupid. They are throwing away the chance to go DO over, what...3 more months of not having to make a decision yet? Are they really that indecisive?
However, your example is not very fitting anyway because
a) it does not cost money to apply to wash dishes
b) you are not going to have a worse chance at washing dishes at Olive Garden if you previously turned down a job washing dishes at Chili's
c) If you turned down a job washing dishes, you still displayed poor planning, because you applied for a job you did not want, and you wasted the hiring manager's time.
There is no breach of integrity here by deferring and applying to something else. I know people that found a legitimate reason to defer and applied to Ph.D/MD/Graduate School or just held the acceptance. They wanted to know if DO was right for them. There is nothing wrong with that.
Listen, medical school is a 250,000 dollar investment. It is wise to make sure that you are all in before you matriculate. Its crazy scary. You want to make sure that its the right choice.
I disagree. This is the real world. Applying to a DO school is not a commitment to matriculate, despite your belief, and despite the cost/time it entails.
There is no breach of integrity here by deferring and applying to something else. I know people that found a legitimate reason to defer and applied to Ph.D/MD/Graduate School or just held the acceptance. They wanted to know if DO was right for them. There is nothing wrong with that.
Listen, medical school is a 250,000 dollar investment. It is wise to make sure that you are all in before you matriculate. Its crazy scary. You want to make sure that its the right choice.
Never said it was a commitment. I just said that it demonstrated a lack of foresight.I disagree. This is the real world. Applying to a DO school is not a commitment to matriculate, despite your belief, and despite the cost/time it entails. The cost is irrelevant. The OP is talking about a decision that will affect the rest of his life, and it is one which should not be taken lightly, and it is one that might take a long time to decide. Interviewing at a school is an opportunity, not a commitment. Signing the contract is the commitment.
In the real world, sometimes you have to do what you have to do to get by, and to get what you want. Being a Pre-Med, I don't think you can talk on this subject more to me.
There are always back ups, such as research, post-bac, graduate school, etc. Putting two years of additional work to get to what you want out of life, rather than settling for unhappiness for the rest of your life is pretty minuscule, wouldn't you agree?
At some point the OP will make a decision. Let him make the one he is most comfortable with.
Oh by the way, I like your critique of the washing dishes example. Spot on. (No pun).
The benefits of post-baccs, SMPs, etc, are also not going to change over the course of an app cycle....if he gets in DO, doesn't get in MD, and decides to decline and try again next year, he now finds himself in the unenviable position of applying MD with what is apparently a borderline (at best) app and no future possibility of DO as an alternate route.
Thanks! That was...unexpected. Times like these, when SDN actually discusses things instead of everyone getting caught in the argument aspect of things, really remind me of why this forum is such a great resource/community.I disagree. One or two year Master's degree will help tremendously. If he declines DO, why would he care about re-applying after coming to this decision. It doesn't make any sense.
If you want DO, do it. If you don't, don't.
Now is the time to make that decision, since it was not made prior.
Don't clown the guy for not making it prior, rather than later. It is a tough choice.
MEHOC, You're right. It was an excellent post you made. Thank you stating you made the choice to not apply DO. Your foresight and intelligence is lethal. One day, you will make a wonderful, compassionate doctor, the way you clearly show empathy for people.