Realistic about EC's

[Zonata]

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Got told bout your post by my sister whose applying now - actually suprised I remembered by login (look at the reg date of my name). If you or anyone like you are ever my medical student, I will make their life a living hell. I have been through this process several years prior, went to a top 5 medical school, and in all likelihood my STATs were better than yours. I can tell you that it means very little once your in and that it has no bearing on how well you'll do during medical school.

Your the type of individual who residents hate and accordingly does very poorly on clinical rotations. Why you ask? To quote the Waterboy's mother, "Its the sozial skilz." You obviously lack them. So go back to your dorm room which you probably never leave - no dates, no social life, etc. - and continuing being the douche you are. You'll find you can fool the admissions committee, but you won't fool us on your clinical rotations.

Regards you big douche,
Zonata

 

[S-Mart]

Wow HumbleMD you're an A**Hole. You just REALLY pissed me off. You're lucky I don't live in Michigan. You can take your 35+ MCAT and outstanding EC's and shove it.

I have a feeling that if I look though previous "What are my chances" posts, that yours, microgal, will inevitably arise.

 

[microgal]

Wow. You must be a very unattractive virgin. Have fun in med school buddy.

 

[S-Mart]

Wow. You must be a very unattractive virgin. Have fun in med school buddy.

What? Are you kidding me? My stats are no where near everyone else's, I'm just hopping my EC's will make up for it.

There's no need to insult my unattractive virginity. We can't all be beautiful sluts.

 

[Anastasis]

Hey now, I was there helping to break down the doors with an axe that I fashioned out of a stone, a broom handle, and some of my own hair. Just because you were carrying the babies doesn't mean I shouldn't get a little credit for contributing too!

No worries, hon 👍 I put you down as my contact person on AMCAS 😉

 

[spicedmanna]

👍

This is why people aren't realistic about how good their extra curriculars really are. With an MCAT or GPA, it's hard to be unrealistic thinking you're set with a 26, because there's a statistic telling you you're not. With EC's, people almost always assume that theirs are better than everyone elses.

Well, I certainly don't disagree with the philosophy of realism. Generally, it's a good idea to not live in denial, because being in a state of denial only sets you up for a huge fall later. I'm of the mind that it's better to experience the truth than not, sooner than later, even if it isn't sweet music to my ears right now.

On the other hand, there is something simply troubling about the tone of your original post. I sense you are being less than humble, thus making your name ironic. It's not so much that you state what might be obvious, but you do it in a way that is like kicking a wounded brother when he is down. The diaphoresis, hypertension, tachycardia, tachypnea, and pale skin should be a clear give away that many of these folks are stressed. You seem to be placing yourself on a pedestal somehow and playing judge and jury with your fellow brothers, many of whom are going though similar processes as yourself. You patronize, complain, and make wrong instead of choosing to be of service. It might be true that many are overplaying their EC's, but what's that to you? You have already been accepted.

I feel compelled to say that for every person who overplays their EC's there are just as many people who overplay their stats. On the flip side, I am a little weary of folks who continue to brag about their 40 MCAT and 3.98 GPA, and how they have got an "in" into medical school. I don't let it go to my head, however; I just ignore those folks, if I can't directly assist them, or learn from them. I'm glad they have those stats, but I don't confuse that for the person in any way. The problem is not so much what end of the spectrum the people here play, it's that most of us are scared and we choose to express it in different ways. The modality of fight or flight you choose doesn't place you in any better position to judge another.

You are not in any way the victim of people who overplay their EC's. The last I checked, you can choose to ignore those threads, if they bother you so much. This is a public forum and you are but one denizen. Folks have a right to post whatever they please as long as it conforms to the standards outlined by SDN.

That said, good luck to you, sir, as you head into MS1. 😉

 

[microgal]

I'm sorry did I say that my stats are a 26 MCAT and a 3.0? I guess you just must assume this about people....but sorry no...

I was responding to you and HumbleMD's ridiculous arrogance towards poor worried premeds using this site to post their concerns, which IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN...is the point of this site. But far be it from me to say anything if seeing someone concerned about their chances bothers you so very very much your majesty. We should just take down all their threads and posts so that you two can post soley about your numbers. Then we can all read that and bow at your feet. Sound good?

 

[microgal]

1. Right on Spicedmama.

2. Seabea: Slut no. Beautiful, yes.

 

[hp540]

Got told bout your post by my sister whose applying now - actually suprised I remembered by login (look at the reg date of my name). If you or anyone like you are ever my medical student, I will make their life a living hell. I have been through this process several years prior, went to a top 5 medical school, and in all likelihood my STATs were better than yours. I can tell you that it means very little once your in and that it has no bearing on how well you'll do during medical school.

Your the type of individual who residents hate and accordingly does very poorly on clinical rotations. Why you ask? To quote the Waterboy's mother, "Its the sozial skilz." You obviously lack them. So go back to your dorm room which you probably never leave - no dates, no social life, etc. - and continuing being the douche you are. You'll find you can fool the admissions committee, but you won't fool us on your clinical rotations.

Regards you big douche,
Zonata

You know, you'RE being the real douche here.

Good for you...top 5 medical school 🙄 Oh, and your "stats" are better than the OP's even though we don't even know what they are. Does anyone care? In my opinion, you're just as bad as he is, and claiming you'll make the lives of others a living hell, that's a great one.

Come on, aren't you a bit old to be name calling people on an anonymous internet forum? There's definitely not enough love here.

 

[S-Mart]

Excellent. I'm glad we've come to an understanding. I thank you for your support, microgal.

 

[S-Mart]

You know, you'RE being the real douche here.

Good for you...top 5 medical school 🙄 Oh, and your "stats" are better than the OP's even though we don't even know what they are. Does anyone care? In my opinion, you're just as bad as he is, and claiming you'll make the lives of others a living hell, that's a great one.

Come on, aren't you a bit old to be name calling people on an anonymous internet forum? There's definitely not enough love here.

Right on, hp540. Tell it like it is!

 

[microgal]

you're just as bad as he is, and claiming you'll make the lives of others a living hell, that's a great one.

Come on, aren't you a bit old to be name calling people on an anonymous internet forum? There's definitely not enough love here.

Ummm Seabee...I hate to break it to you but Hp40 here was disagreeing with you and the original poster. He thinks both the original post and the name calling sucks.

Maybe...just maybe... starting theads to voice your complaints about other posters and how bad their stats are isn't a great idea in the first place. Did HumbleMD and you Seebee really think that wouldn't incite anger and make people feel bad? Do you people think being a doctor is about putting others down?

 

[microgal]

Oh and by the way...I find it interesting that you are sick already about people posting about what their chances are since you JOINED 8 DAYS AGO!!! That's patience for ya.

 

[Robizzle]

Oh and by the way...I find it interesting that you are sick already about people posting about what their chances are since you JOINED 8 DAYS AGO!!! That's patience for ya.

seriously.. how bout you chill on here for a while b4 you all start b*tching about posts you dont like. this is just a very stressful time of the application process for everyone so youll be seeing a lot of what are my chances threads.. if you dont like what you read just click the back button & live with it punks.

 

[S-Mart]

Ummm Seabee...I hate to break it to you but Hp40 here was disagreeing with you and the original poster. He thinks both the original post and the name calling sucks.

Maybe...just maybe... starting theads to voice your complaints about other posters and how bad their stats are isn't a great idea in the first place. Did HumbleMD and you Seebee really think that wouldn't incite anger and make people feel bad? Do you people think being a doctor is about putting others down?

Not others, just you.

I don't have any complaints about how bad everyone's stats are. I just don't think fishing for complaments is beneficial for anyone.

As far as the name calling goes, let's not forget that the only people on this thread calling names are the people most vehemently against it. Like yourself, you unattractive virgin.

 

[Anastasis]

seriously.. how bout you chill on here for a while b4 you all start b*tching about posts you dont like. this is just a very stressful time of the application process for everyone so youll be seeing a lot of what are my chances threads.. if you dont like what you read just click the back button & live with it punks.

Agreed.

Eventually you'll get your SDN goggles on and not even see those posts anymore.

 

[S-Mart]

seriously.. how bout you chill on here for a while b4 you all start b*tching about posts you dont like. this is just a very stressful time of the application process for everyone so youll be seeing a lot of what are my chances threads.. if you dont like what you read just click the back button & live with it punks.

Thanks Robizzle. Hope you hip-hop your way into medical school.

I'll "chill" right here "b4" I riggity-wreck myself.

 

[S-Mart]

Oh and by the way...I find it interesting that you are sick already about people posting about what their chances are since you JOINED 8 DAYS AGO!!! That's patience for ya.

Hopefully, microgal, I will one day have seniority on this thread. Then life will just fall into place.

 

[Robizzle]

Thanks Robizzle. Hope you hip-hop your way into medical school.

I'll "chill" right here b4 I riggity-wreck myself.

Was that supposed to be an insult? The type of music I listen to? Great job, no one here likes you. And now, unfortunately, the hip-hop community won't either. As Wu-Tang Clan once said: "Shame on a n****." 👎

 

[microgal]

Hopefully, microgal, I will one day have seniority on this thread. Then life will just fall into place.

um....yeah...anyways...😴

 

[S-Mart]

Was that supposed to be an insult? The type of music I listen to? Great job, no one here likes you. And now, unfortunately, the hip-hop community won't either. As Wu-Tang Clan once said: "Shame on a n****." 👎

Now children, let's not get off topic. If you don't like the thread or who started it, maybe you should take your own advice and just pass over it.

 

[eurozo]

Well, I certainly don't disagree with the philosophy of realism. Generally, it's a good idea to not live in denial, because being in a state of denial only sets you up for a huge fall later. I'm of the mind that it's better to experience the truth than not, sooner than later, even if it isn't sweet music to my ears right now.

On the other hand, there is something simply troubling about the tone of your original post. I sense you are being less than humble, thus making your name ironic. It's not so much that you state what might be obvious, but you do it in a way that is like kicking a wounded brother when he is down. The diaphoresis, hypertension, tachycardia, tachypnea, and pale skin should be a clear give away that many of these folks are stressed. You seem to be placing yourself on a pedestal somehow and playing judge and jury with your fellow brothers, many of whom are going though similar processes as yourself. You patronize, complain, and make wrong instead of choosing to be of service. It might be true that many are overplaying their EC's, but what's that to you? You have already been accepted.

I feel compelled to say that for every person who overplays their EC's there are just as many people who overplay their stats. On the flip side, I am a little weary of folks who continue to brag about their 40 MCAT and 3.98 GPA, and how they have got an "in" into medical school. I don't let it go to my head, however; I just ignore those folks, if I can't directly assist them, or learn from them. I'm glad they have those stats, but I don't confuse that for the person in any way. The problem is not so much what end of the spectrum the people here play, it's that most of us are scared and we choose to express it in different ways. The modality of fight or flight you choose doesn't place you in any better position to judge another.

You are not in any way the victim of people who overplay their EC's. The last I checked, you can choose to ignore those threads, if they bother you so much. This is a public forum and you are but one denizen. Folks have a right to post whatever they please as long as it conforms to the standards outlined by SDN.

That said, good luck to you, sir, as you head into MS1. 😉

This is a fantastic post, imho. Thank you.

 

[LifetimeDoc]

It might be useful to repeat what one med school dean told me: anyone with 24 MCAT and a 3.0 GPA can handle medical school. Past those numbers, we are more interested in you as a person and future physician. 🙄

 

[MDstudent101]

Point blank People Please Stop Posting The "What Are My Chances" THREADS. Be confident in who you are and what you have, and if your not then I believe for self satisfaction WORK on them more. Sorry guys/girls for the rant but I am sim and tired of what are my chances threads,!!!!!!!!!!!!! 👎

 

[Towelie]

Point blank People Please Stop Posting The "What Are My Chances" THREADS. Be confident in who you are and what you have, and if your not then I believe for self satisfaction WORK on them more. Sorry guys/girls for the rant but I am sim and tired of what are my chances threads,!!!!!!!!!!!!! 👎

Then don't read them. Stop whining.

 

[gotmeds?]

Oh and by the way...I find it interesting that you are sick already about people posting about what their chances are since you JOINED 8 DAYS AGO!!! That's patience for ya.

Oh snap! Seriously, though, we have much worse threads than "what are my chances." Luckily, we have a preview feature and the threads are usually clearly labeled. Sure, you'll occasionally have to suffer through the indignity of opening up a thread you don't like, but if you're able to make 52 posts in 8 days, you probably have a bit of spare time on your hands anyway.

 

[OCPreMed]

POINT IS... or MY POINT IS...


GPA and MCAT get you in the door, EC's keep you there along with interviews..

Don't think "stellar" ec's are going to get you anywhere by themselves. A decent GPA and MCAT need to be accompanied.

BOTTOM LINE... or MY BOTTOM LINE

Decent GPA and MCAT with Decent EC's are better than having not so decent GPA and MCAT with uber EC's


Even lower BOTTOM LINE

If your GPA is low, focus on getting it up rather than getting 8 more EC's.. and spend time that summer on studying the MCAT rather than volunteering at 7 different hospitals and coordinating 4 youth programs..


Disclaimer: Anything I wrote above is subject to being completely wrong and or fabricated from my

 

[HumbleMD]

Got told bout your post by my sister whose applying now - actually suprised I remembered by login (look at the reg date of my name). If you or anyone like you are ever my medical student, I will make their life a living hell. I have been through this process several years prior, went to a top 5 medical school, and in all likelihood my STATs were better than yours. I can tell you that it means very little once your in and that it has no bearing on how well you'll do during medical school.

Your the type of individual who residents hate and accordingly does very poorly on clinical rotations. Why you ask? To quote the Waterboy's mother, "Its the sozial skilz." You obviously lack them. So go back to your dorm room which you probably never leave - no dates, no social life, etc. - and continuing being the douche you are. You'll find you can fool the admissions committee, but you won't fool us on your clinical rotations.

Regards you big douche,
Zonata

My my, you spend your day flying into Philadelphia and look what happens.

I aplogize to all if anyone interpreted my post as me trying to brag about my application, or fish for compliments, perhaps I should remove my MDApps link. As said, it is kept for when people ask about timelines at certain schools. Zonata, I'm sorry that you have a lot of pent up anger, and I'm going to assume you're coming off of a long shift or something, because I would frankly be afraid of a any doctor as touchy, angry, and acid-tongued as you. In the future, please don't make assumptions or prejudgements of others, especially based on an internet forum post. In most of your statements though, the hypocracy is shocking. I'll let others pick it out for themselves. Go grind your axe somewhere else. Best of luck to your sister, by the way.

The point I keep trying to make is that people should be both realistic and humble. Someone with a 40 MCAT is indeed obnoxious if they walk around assuming they are "guaranteed" as absolutely NOTHING is guaranteed in this process is. Humility is needed there. Someone with "stellar E.C.'s" or "awesome L.O.R.'s", in their opinion, need to understand that it's just that, their opinion. Humility is needed there, too.

I went into this process with low if not zero expectations, and have been fairly blessed. But please don't assume that I'm some pre-med robot. If you got to know me, I bet you'd think I was a pretty friendly guy.

In general, viewing the heat on this post, and indeed my own somewhat caustic posts, I'd have to say I think that an internet forum can be a dangerous thing, in that it affords a high level of anonymity. Much like road-raging drivers, when that anonymity is given, we are often crueler than we intend to be.

 

[deleted36260]

My my, you spend your day flying into Philadelphia and look what happens.

e-penis+++ 😀

 

[HumbleMD]

e-penis+++ 😀

😕

 

[Oschemi]

Got told bout your post by my sister whose applying now - actually suprised I remembered by login (look at the reg date of my name). If you or anyone like you are ever my medical student, I will make their life a living hell. I have been through this process several years prior, went to a top 5 medical school, and in all likelihood my STATs were better than yours. I can tell you that it means very little once your in and that it has no bearing on how well you'll do during medical school.

Your the type of individual who residents hate and accordingly does very poorly on clinical rotations. Why you ask? To quote the Waterboy's mother, "Its the sozial skilz." You obviously lack them. So go back to your dorm room which you probably never leave - no dates, no social life, etc. - and continuing being the douche you are. You'll find you can fool the admissions committee, but you won't fool us on your clinical rotations.

Regards you big douche,


This has to be the most immature post I have ever read. As such, it is very difficult for me to believe that you are attending a top 5 medical schools and writing like this👎

 

[45408]

I have that subpar 3.4 gpa and 3.2 science and a 28 mcat but my EC's made me who I am and will make me an excellent physician, it was volunteering 80 hours a week serving people at all hours watching people die and saving lives that will make make me a better physician, not because i was a unsocial hermit with a 3.9 and a 40 MCAt honestly I dont want to go to school with those people becuase they are all really impressed with a bunch of stuff people have already done

Um, I had good grades, MCAT and ECs, all in less than 80 hours a week. You don't have to be an unsocial hermit to have a good GPA/MCAT.

 

[45408]

Wow. You must be a very unattractive virgin. Have fun in med school buddy.

well, you must be fat and stupid!!1



🙄 thanks for the junior high throwback.

 

[45408]

1. Right on Spicedmama.

2. Seabea: Slut no. Beautiful, yes.

pics or it's BS.

 

[agr285]

My my, you spend your day flying into Philadelphia and look what happens.

I aplogize to all if anyone interpreted my post as me trying to brag about my application, or fish for compliments, perhaps I should remove my MDApps link. As said, it is kept for when people ask about timelines at certain schools. Zonata, I'm sorry that you have a lot of pent up anger, and I'm going to assume you're coming off of a long shift or something, because I would frankly be afraid of a any doctor as touchy, angry, and acid-tongued as you. In the future, please don't make assumptions or prejudgements of others, especially based on an internet forum post. In most of your statements though, the hypocracy is shocking. I'll let others pick it out for themselves. Go grind your axe somewhere else. Best of luck to your sister, by the way.

The point I keep trying to make is that people should be both realistic and humble. Someone with a 40 MCAT is indeed obnoxious if they walk around assuming they are "guaranteed" as absolutely NOTHING is guaranteed in this process is. Humility is needed there. Someone with "stellar E.C.'s" or "awesome L.O.R.'s", in their opinion, need to understand that it's just that, their opinion. Humility is needed there, too.

I went into this process with low if not zero expectations, and have been fairly blessed. But please don't assume that I'm some pre-med robot. If you got to know me, I bet you'd think I was a pretty friendly guy.

In general, viewing the heat on this post, and indeed my own somewhat caustic posts, I'd have to say I think that an internet forum can be a dangerous thing, in that it affords a high level of anonymity. Much like road-raging drivers, when that anonymity is given, we are often crueler than we intend to be.

You're right. This is an anonymous forum, and no one can really make any valid claims about your personality. However, when I hear someone with a 3.8 and 38 say that he had "low if not zero expectations", it reeks of false modesty. I have simliar stats as you, and I went into this application cycle FULLY expecting to get into at least one medical school. I don't think that means I'm not humble, just realistic. Most people on this forum aren't nearly as qualified as you. Listeing to you marginalize your own accomplishments is a little incredulous, silly, and insulting. Maybe it's just me, but its hard to swallow that you thought so little of your chances. You are the one who is now sounding unrealistic. if you truly are that humble then god bless. However, listening to false modesty can be more annoying than listening to people brag about their ECs and LORs.

 

[):(]

this guy (the OP) is basically saying people with subpar stats like a 3.2 and a 28 MCAT and an awesome set of extracurriculars should not put emphasis on the strongest part of their application, the ECs. Just because there's someone who's done more than you and has better stats than you doesn't mean you shouldn't be proud of what you've done and try your hardest to do what you want. Am I completely missing something here? I can't believe you guys are bashing people with lower stats trying hard to get to where we're all trying to go.

👍

 

[paranoid_eyes]

there are a lot of reasons why people do EC's and its impossible to prove that they are doing it for any one reason. If your gpa/mcat are low, OF COURSE you are gonna emphasize your EC's. What's the final goal? It's making it into med school. Just like you would show off your mcat score to prove that you have what it takes to make it through med school because you are smart, other people are trying to prove that they would make good doctors because of their humanity. What im trying to say is, if you have one but not the other, you are gonna try to make the best with what you have. Im not adcomm, but im pretty sure they won't discount you if your EC's are shining, and, similarly, won't toss your app cause you don't have a 35+ MCAT. RELAX and think about how hypocritic your post was.

 

[HumbleMD]

there are a lot of reasons why people do EC's and its impossible to prove that they are doing it for any one reason. If your gpa/mcat are low, OF COURSE you are gonna emphasize your EC's. What's the final goal? It's making it into med school. Just like you would show off your mcat score to prove that you have what it takes to make it through med school because you are smart, other people are trying to prove that they would make good doctors because of their humanity. What im trying to say is, if you have one but not the other, you are gonna try to make the best with what you have. Im not adcomm, but im pretty sure they won't discount you if your EC's are shining, and, similarly, won't toss your app cause you don't have a 35+ MCAT. RELAX and think about how hypocritic your post was.

You keep missing the point I'm trying to make. The whole concept of "shining" EC's is misleading. Just because one has stronger EC's and lower everything else doesn't make them "shining" merely by comparison. It's as if people want to say that a person with identical EC's, and happens to have other good stats, that their EC's are lesser than a this first person's, or that it's impossible for a person to have a decent MCAT and be productive in other portions of their lives (which is a blatant mistruth). For the umpteenth time, we all need to take a step back and understand that our EC's and LOR's which we believe are "stellar," "awesome" or "shining" may not be especially if we ourselves are the sole judge. According to most people's self evaluations, especiialy on SDN, everyone apparently has outstanding E.C.'s, but we know that it's not possible for an overwhelming majority to have above average achievements.

I apologize for what may have come off as false modesty. Ironically, I was just having a conversation with my student host at how patronizing false modesty can be. I consider myself a realist, but others would call it a pessimist. Yes, I assumed I'd get in somewhere, but I went into every interview, even ones at "lower-tier" schools as if it were my top choice or Harvard. The slogan I live by as a pre-med is that "nothing is guarnanteed in this process."

 

[TheAsianBullet]

can't "great EC's" be synonymous with "relatively unique and somewhat admirable EC's"? when someone says "great EC's", i automatically assume they mean that their EC's sound impressive, took a lot of their time, and are something they can talk passionately about. if you think your EC's arent spectacular, that will show during interviews. im of the opinion that my EC's are not spectacular, and im sure it shows. which may be why i have almost as many holds as acceptances (2 to 3).

there really is no rhyme or reason to humblemd's point, since ive found that this process is all about confidence, even when you've been kicked to the ground. and to try and take that confidence away from people, or what little confidence they have left, is not very useful to anyone.

 

[HumbleMD]

can't "great EC's" be synonymous with "relatively unique and somewhat admirable EC's"? when someone says "great EC's", i automatically assume they mean that their EC's sound impressive, took a lot of their time, and are something they can talk passionately about. if you think your EC's arent spectacular, that will show during interviews. im of the opinion that my EC's are not spectacular, and im sure it shows. which may be why i have almost as many holds as acceptances (2 to 3).

there really is no rhyme or reason to humblemd's point, since ive found that this process is all about confidence, even when you've been kicked to the ground. and to try and take that confidence away from people, or what little confidence they have left, is not very useful to anyone.

Wow, how wonderfully worldy and mature of you. Anyways, You stand as a gigantic exception, becuase you're the first person I've ever seen on this forum say their EC's aren't that spectacular. I'm not afraid to admit that this completely blows through my logic posted on the thread, but still only as an exception rather than the rule or trend. My EC's have of course had a huge impact on me and are things I'm passionate about, but I understand that not everyone shares my passion so they may be less impressive to different people. One can (and should) have confidence without it being arrogance, but also without it being naive optimism.

 

[deleted36260]

Anyways, You stand as a gigantic exception, becuase you're the first person I've ever seen on this forum say their EC's aren't that spectacular. I'm not afraid to admit that this completely blows through my logic posted on the thread, but still only as an exception rather than the rule or trend.

Well let's keep that trend going until your perception changes 🙂
My EC's suck compared to most people posting on this forum. I shadow, I've got some volunteering, and I just started some clinical stuff. Due to family and work obligations I have had to work a ridiculous amount through school. I am worried my late start on clinical work will look as if I'm just doing it to show off. So, my EC's a par or less for the course!

Take that 😛

 

[HumbleMD]

Well let's keep that trend going until your perception changes 🙂
My EC's suck compared to most people posting on this forum. I shadow, I've got some volunteering, and I just started some clinical stuff. Due to family and work obligations I have had to work a ridiculous amount through school. I am worried my late start on clinical work will look as if I'm just doing it to show off. So, my EC's a par or less for the course!

Take that 😛

So my perceptions are indeed changing. But the posters showing humility about applications (as said, I'm humble about my own expectations) aren't the one's that bug me. I do also want to say your EC's seem just as good as most people's (which is why it bugs me that some believe theirs are "awesome"), and adcoms always say how they look at what an applicant is capable of (obviously a family and a job take a lot of time). I have the utmost respect for people who work real jobs through school.

 

[deleted36260]

So my perceptions are indeed changing. But the posters showing humility about applications (as said, I'm humble about my own expectations) aren't the one's that bug me. I do also want to say your EC's seem just as good as most people's (which is why it bugs me that some believe theirs are "awesome"), and adcoms always say how they look at what an applicant is capable of (obviously a family and a job take a lot of time). I have the utmost respect for people who work real jobs through school.

Either way, I'm here to just watch at this point, but I do feel like you have recieved an overly harsh punishment for making a thread that mostly just lacked tact. Fun to ruffle feathers every once in a while, eh? 😉

 

[HumbleMD]

Either way, I'm here to just watch at this point, but I do feel like you have recieved an overly harsh punishment for making a thread that mostly just lacked tact. Fun to ruffle feathers every once in a while, eh? 😉

Heh, that's sort of been my thought. No where in the thread did I ever rattle off my own ECs, MCAT score, GPA, or acceptances, and I didn't do so very intentional (as said umpteen times, I think it's tacky). I suppoaw the difficulty for me has been walking the line between defending myself ardently without being aggressive (it's not in my nature).

 

[Nasrudin]

This discussion is uselessly polarized.

I think the OP echoed some of my thoughts...although i probably would't have posted them....

I'm 33 year old cat whos trying to bring up a low gpa while bringin home the bread. so I bust it in the classroom. sometimes i listen to these younger people talking about saving the world and stuff, with some kind of fluffy idea about what being a doctor entails on a daily basis an i'm like...gimme a friggin break ova heah. Because frankly if youv'e got all that time to be a crusader for the downtrodden, most likely you live at home your bills are paid and your meals get cooked for you.

Now please forgive if your like one of the few St. Francis types becuause you can be my physician anyday.

But just to keep it real some of us just can't bat our weight in the classroom.
And aside from the rare saints among us lower grades and MCAT are going to put us at a severe disadvantage. I hear far too much touchy feely...summer camp type kumbaya advice on these threads. Anybody who knows things from school of hard knocks can tell you that real world is m@therF@cker who doesn't really care for sob stories and low performance.

And for the physician who saw fit to go off on this thread....uh...you're already there man....and like you said you killed it in the classroom so...there you go....dig?