REASONABLE amount of debt?

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I know the consensus is to go to the cheapest school if possible (they are all expensive anyways), but where is your cutoff line of the amount you are willing to take out/can pay back?

Please elaborate with numbers if possible (principal, interest rate...). I want to have an example so I can estimate the COA for other schools myself without bothering asking for every single school. This might be helpful to others in the process of deciding WHERE also. Thank you so much!
 
I know the consensus is to go to the cheapest school if possible (they are all expensive anyways), but where is your cutoff line of the amount you are willing to take out/can pay back?

Please elaborate with numbers if possible (principal, interest rate...). I want to have an example so I can estimate the COA for other schools myself without bothering asking for every single school. This might be helpful to others in the process of deciding WHERE also. Thank you so much!

Tough question but here are some good resources to educate yourself.

Heres a good podcast on student loan debt.

023 Lots of student loans? Then Corporate Dentistry isn’t the answer!

Highly recommend the book "White Coat Investor" too.

The White Coat Investor: A Doctor's Guide To Personal Finance And Investing Amazon product ASIN 0991433106
 
Tough question but here are some good resources to educate yourself.

Heres a good podcast on student loan debt.

023 Lots of student loans? Then Corporate Dentistry isn’t the answer!

Highly recommend the book "White Coat Investor" too.

The White Coat Investor: A Doctor's Guide To Personal Finance And Investing Amazon product ASIN 0991433106


Good post. If you are $300k+ in loans, you are going to have to get comfortable with big debt and purchase a good cash flowing practice to cover that debt. You will be an indebted servant for an extended amount of time if you "play safe" and work as an associate for you career.
 
I would say realistically going to a school below 200k isn't an option for everyone (just depends how cheap your state school is). But I think it's a realistic goal to try to go somewhere 250k or less, not including cost of living.
 
I think regardless of the school, if I can't look back and justify the tuition I paid as an "opportunity cost" to become an incredibly successful practitioner, then I have bigger things to worry about
I bought the White Coat Investor BOok and honestly think it kind of sucks. The Author is like yeaa its totally doable and he brags about being a millionare in 10 years or whatever when he had 250k loans and a Wife. GIve me a break. I hoped for more valuable information about lowering my tuition and the book was like DID YOU KNOW THERE WERE SCHOLARSHIPS?!? Yes.. Yes I know and I apply too all of them.
 
I bought the White Coat Investor BOok and honestly think it kind of sucks. The Author is like yeaa its totally doable and he brags about being a millionare in 10 years or whatever when he had 250k loans and a Wife. GIve me a break. I hoped for more valuable information about lowering my tuition and the book was like DID YOU KNOW THERE WERE SCHOLARSHIPS?!? Yes.. Yes I know and I apply too all of them.
He's a millionaire because he finessed people like you to buy his book.
 
Not sure what the big deal is if you opt for PAYE/REPAYE with forgiveness in 20 years.. or am I being naive.

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Not sure what the big deal is if you opt for PAYE/REPAYE with forgiveness in 20 years.. or am I being naive.

An entire profession being held afloat solely on government forgiveness programs, that may or may not exist in the future, isn't exactly sustainable (bubble, pop, yaddah yaddah). But yeah, that's the go to method as of late, combined with savings and investments for the tax bomb 20 years down the road. Optimistic? yeah. Doable? yeah. Naive? Probably, but we're all in the same boat.
 
An entire profession being held afloat solely on government forgiveness programs, that may or may not exist in the future, isn't exactly sustainable (bubble, pop, yaddah yaddah). But yeah, that's the go to method as of late, combined with savings and investments for the tax bomb 20 years down the road. Optimistic? yeah. Doable? yeah. Naive? Probably, but we're all in the same boat.
Well they should have seen these ridiculous tuition hikes coming when they decided to lift the limit on gradplus loans... They caused this mess so they should take responsibility by bearing some of the burden. Besides, people will always need dentists. By funding dental education, they are contributing to the people's oral health, which contributes to their overall health, which is invaluable to the society. They're already giving doctors a ridiculous discount via PSLF...they need to look out for dentists too.

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Not sure what the big deal is if you opt for PAYE/REPAYE with forgiveness in 20 years.. or am I being naive.

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I don't feel like doing the math, but I would be interested in seeing the money you save paying 350k @7% interest for 20 years vs the minimum payment for 20 years then the tax bomb on forgiven loan amount. At that point I feel like it would be safer to pay a bit more and not rely on the government
 
I don't feel like doing the math, but I would be interested in seeing the money you save paying 350k @7% interest for 20 years vs the minimum payment for 20 years then the tax bomb on forgiven loan amount. At that point I feel like it would be safer to pay a bit more and not rely on the government
The studentloanplanner guy says that's the way to go. You save a ton of money over the standard repayment plan.
 
Not sure what the big deal is if you opt for PAYE/REPAYE with forgiveness in 20 years.. or am I being naive.

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The problem with these "Forgiveness programs" is that the amount you pay (10% of your income) is rarely enough to touch the principal, and barely cover the interest every year. AND THEN when that 20-year mark comes around your 500k plus debt is "forgiven" the amount of debt they forgave becomes taxable income. It's not a good option from what I understand.
 
The problem with these "Forgiveness programs" is that the amount you pay (10% of your income) is rarely enough to touch the principal, and barely cover the interest every year. AND THEN when that 20-year mark comes around your 500k plus debt is "forgiven" the amount of debt they forgave becomes taxable income. It's not a good option from what I understand.
Even if you account for the tax bomb, anything's better than the standard 10-year repayment plan. The only reason someone might choose that route is if he/she absolutely could not bare the mental burden of having debt.

By spending all your money on paying back loans for the first few years, you lose out on so many potential investments that even if you were to presume a modest 4-5% return on your investments, you would be paying hundreds of thousands of dollars more in opportunity costs with 10-year standard repayment vs. PAYE, REPAYE or even IBR.
 
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Even if you account for the tax bomb, anything's better than the standard 10-year repayment plan. The only reason someone might choose that route is if he/she absolutely could not bare the mental burden of having debt.

By spending all your money on paying back loans for the first few years, you lose out on so many potential investments that even if you were to presume a modest 4-5% return on your investments, you would be paying hundreds of thousands of dollars more in opportunity costs with 10-year standard repayment vs. PAYE, REPAYE or even IBR.
I’d be interested to see how this math plays out.

Say you have a 350k student loan @ 6-7%. Why would you decide to invest in something like an ETF fund that has a 4-5% return? Plus, it’ll take quite a few years to grow that asset to counter the student loan.
 
I agree with @sobertiger. At 350K+ debt, there are much better ways to pay it off than an aggressive 10-year plan. Assuming you're ok with living with an ever increasing debt amount for 20 years, and are savvy enough to use your income and investments wisely in that time. This guy explains it pretty well with a $400k debt load.
 
Not sure what the big deal is if you opt for PAYE/REPAYE with forgiveness in 20 years.. or am I being naive.

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Everybody needs to really pay attention to the PROSPER Act that they're trying to pass. If it goes through, all of you would be cut off from using PAYE or REPAYE
 
I agree with @sobertiger. At 350K+ debt, there are much better ways to pay it off than an aggressive 10-year plan. Assuming you're ok with living with an ever increasing debt amount for 20 years, and are savvy enough to use your income and investments wisely in that time. This guy explains it pretty well with a $400k debt load.


That was incredibly informative, thank you!
 
Everybody needs to really pay attention to the PROSPER Act that they're trying to pass. If it goes through, all of you would be cut off from using PAYE or REPAYE

After a quick google search, (House Republicans propose big changes to student loans) I found that the new house bill would cut out those IBR programs, but possibly replace it with a new type that allows us to stretch out what a traditional 10 year plan would cost?

Some interesting points i found:

"Federal loan limits for graduate students — who often run up student loan debt balances of $200,000 or more to obtain degrees in law and medicine — would increase to $150,000, up from $138,500 today. Medical school students and others pursuing certain health-related degrees would be allowed to borrow up to $235,500, up from $224,000 today.

But graduate students would no longer be eligible to take out PLUS loans, which today can be used to finance any amount up to a school’s certified cost of attendance, minus other aid and loans already received.

Under the PROSPER Act, borrowers stretching out their payments in an income-driven repayment plan couldn’t qualify for “time-based” loan forgiveness. But they would be off the hook after paying an amount of principal and interest equal to what they would have paid in the standard 10-year repayment plan. So in this case, a borrower would be able to stretch out their payments over a longer period of time, but make no more than $108,372 in payments."

Also I noticed that the article made no mention of the REPAYE/PAYE forgiveness amount being counted as taxable income... so take it with a grain of salt, I guess.

EDIT: lol just saw you made a separate thread for this. Disregard.
 
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How much are you willing to pay for your dreams? There are some people out there that would pay 500k+ to be a dentist. Some are not. Where do you land?
 
Are you taking into consideration the fact that as you're paying $10k/yr on a $500k loan at 6.8% the principal rapidly spirals out of control to the point you're toxic to a bank and they won't lend to you due to high default risk. I know husband/wife dentists a few years out $1 mil in debt from student loans, purchased practice for $400k now bank won't lend to them for a standard home mortgage, nor will they lend to other spouse for a practice loan due to default risk. Now they're stuck renting for the foreseeable future and one spouse is stuck in low earning associateships with no ability to borrow for a buy out to increase income. Don't let your faculty or student loan officers convince you that $350k+ isn't a big deal. That faculty member makes less than a recent grad private practice associate and has likely never borrowed for a practice or any business (or failed) and that loan coordinator makes $50k/yr.
 
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