reasons to not goto a top 20 school

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not at all true... but maybe that's what you tell yourself to justify your not getting into a top 20 school.
 
Because you didn't get into a top 20 school!
 
constructor said:
not at all true... but maybe that's what you tell yourself to justify your not getting into a top 20 school.

Hey, it may not be true for all cases, but it is definitely a trend!
 
Because I didn't get in one?! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Its not all about the numbers. 😉
 
Did anyone see the Dateline or 60 minutes (one of those news shows anyhow) that did research on the ivy league schools? They found that an abnormally high percentage of students get A's and graduate with honors. They learned that some of these ivy leagues are purposefully giving great grades just to keep up the persona that they have the best education and best students. It even went as far as some profs being "punished" for giving out too many less-than-A grades. Crazy huh.

FYI: I didn't apply to any ivy leagues, not because of the above info, but because I knew I couldn't get into them. 😀
 
You don't want to ride a name to a prestigious residency, you want to make sure you do it on your own merit.

Or... you are so much of a gunner that you don't want to feel just average in your class

Personally, I have no problem with feeling just average (perhaps slightly below ) or riding a name, so I'll go anyway.
 
I'm lazy, it is a lot of work to get into a top 20 school. I'm not saying I wouldn't go if they accepted me. I am just saying, I am not doing anything extra to get in, like promise my first born to the devil. I think the bare minimum will suffice for me.
 
How about the clinical exposure you'll get? The top 20s connected to private hospitals probably aren't likely to get you the kind of stuff that an 'average' school may...
 
ElKapitan said:
I'm lazy, it is a lot of work to get into a top 20 school. I'm not saying I wouldn't go if they accepted me. I am just saying, I am not doing anything extra to get in, like promise my first born to the devil. I think the bare minimum will suffice for me.

yah heres another one

everyone in your class thinks they're a genius
 
I'm not sure I agree that a private hospital means less exposure to the "average patient". To me, private only refers to the managerial aspect of the hospital. In which case it would be better run and more organized than a non-profit, city hospital. Otherwise, the patient pool is the same. I don't think private indicates selectivity, unless I'm missing something...
 
cammy1313 said:
I'm not sure I agree that a private hospital means less exposure to the "average patient". To me, private only refers to the managerial aspect of the hospital. In which case it would be better run and more organized than a non-profit, city hospital. Otherwise, the patient pool is the same. I don't think private indicates selectivity, unless I'm missing something...

Yeah your missing something..its called insurance..poor people tend not to have as much of it.

Poor people = more pathology = more education for me 😛

-T
 
cammy1313 said:
I'm not sure I agree that a private hospital means less exposure to the "average patient". To me, private only refers to the managerial aspect of the hospital. In which case it would be better run and more organized than a non-profit, city hospital. Otherwise, the patient pool is the same. I don't think private indicates selectivity, unless I'm missing something...


Besides, if you're a paying customer, do you really want some medical student practicing on you or would you insist on being treated by an experienced physician? Catch-22 for training physicians, but the reality of a consumer industry.
 
cammy1313 said:
I'm not sure I agree that a private hospital means less exposure to the "average patient". To me, private only refers to the managerial aspect of the hospital. In which case it would be better run and more organized than a non-profit, city hospital. Otherwise, the patient pool is the same. I don't think private indicates selectivity, unless I'm missing something...

Actually, private hospitals generally do not allow for as many potential learning opportunities for medical students than, say, public urban hospitals in poor areas of town. People go to private hospitals for the best medical care, not to become practice patients for students. Yes, many private hospitals have residency programs, but med students training in such institutions typically do not gain as much clinical exposure and hands-on training as they would at a public hospital. For instance, Jackson Memorial Hospital in Miami is one of the busiest medical centers in the nation. A physician who I once worked with told me that as a fourth-year student at Miami, her responsiblities were extensive, and she often treated patients and performed procedures with little supervision from attendings. Granted, she is an awesome doctor and I am sure her superiors had confidence in her abilities, but such practices are not likely to occur in private medical centers no matter how smart or capable a med student may seem.
 
DrYo12 said:
How about the clinical exposure you'll get? The top 20s connected to private hospitals probably aren't likely to get you the kind of stuff that an 'average' school may...

Plenty of top 20 schools are affiliated with VAs. Also, some top 20s are associated with municipal hospitals (e.g. Emory has Grady).
 
cuz when you're studying at 5am for the 3rd night in a row, downing coffee like it's your job, and on the verge of tears from stress that NIH funding and US News won't do a thing to console you

it's also nice to graduate with $120k in debt rather than $240k
 
it's no time for regrets, but if i could, i'd def. shoot for a top 20. the top 20 schools are varied in their curriculum, location, indebtedness at graduation, hotness of student body, etc, so you can get everything you want at a top 20 that you could get at a lower ranked school. if i had the stats/motivation to fix my undergrad record, i would do so in order to go to a top 20(and we all know it's not about the us news rankings - you really do get the resources for a better education at a top 20, but it's up to you to use those resources at ANY school you go to).
go to grady, you think that's a cush private hosp? and it's associated with emory(top 20 for sure)
 
Cost. Geography. Curriculum.

Most other reasons are mythical. Just as most reasons to go to a top 20 are mythical.
 
Fusion said:
Actually, private hospitals generally do not allow for as many potential learning opportunities for medical students than, say, public urban hospitals in poor areas of town. People go to private hospitals for the best medical care, not to become practice patients for students. Yes, many private hospitals have residency programs, but med students training in such institutions typically do not gain as much clinical exposure and hands-on training as they would at a public hospital. For instance, Jackson Memorial Hospital in Miami is one of the busiest medical centers in the nation. A physician who I once worked with told me that as a fourth-year student at Miami, her responsiblities were extensive, and she often treated patients and performed procedures with little supervision from attendings. Granted, she is an awesome doctor and I am sure her superiors had confidence in her abilities, but such practices are not likely to occur in private medical centers no matter how smart or capable a med student may seem.
Thanks for the info guys. I suppose I was assuming that even private hospitals had urgent care facilities that tended to the poor and uninsured. I must have created some fantasy world in my mind 😉
 
CaptainJack02 said:
it's no time for regrets, but if i could, i'd def. shoot for a top 20. the top 20 schools are varied in their curriculum, location, indebtedness at graduation, hotness of student body, etc, so you can get everything you want at a top 20 that you could get at a lower ranked school. if i had the stats/motivation to fix my undergrad record, i would do so in order to go to a top 20(and we all know it's not about the us news rankings - you really do get the resources for a better education at a top 20, but it's up to you to use those resources at ANY school you go to).
go to grady, you think that's a cush private hosp? and it's associated with emory(top 20 for sure)
eh. i went to a top 20 undergrad (emory, actually) and i'm now in a non-top 20 med school. at this point my experience with profs, various faculty, and administration have been MUCH better at my non-top 20 med school than it was at emory. after speaking with many friends in med school around the country it seems that the resources don't differ as much as in undergrad.
that said, i'm sure there are some advantages to going to a top 20 school, but they're not as big as many people would lead you to believe.
 
first time in this room-

Having graduated from med school and surviving the application process 3 times and landing a great residency, i can share a few insights.

1-don't get hung up on "top 20" for almost everything you want to go into, it does not matter, even for very competitive fields(rads, EM, neurosurgery) residencies want people they can work with and have a beer with. I went to a "middle or low tier", whatever the hell that means, and am in a "top 5" residency program, what ever the hell that means.

2-people who tend to get hung up on this type of thing have inferiority complexes and or small penises, jk.

3-not once have i heard a resident or attending state that they went to another medical school. you will get roughly the same education everywhere.

4-med school success is up to you. it is about making sacrifices, studying instead of partying, and being dedicated. if you happen to be one of the poor souls who can't measure up and be in a top 20 school, then bust your ass in med school, create things, and work harder. in the end you will be a better doctor, trust me.

5-people who focus on being from a top 20 school rest on their laureals and think that their uneducated patients actually give a damn as to where they went to school.

6-my med school debt is $85K

7-sorry to be cynical, but 4-5 years from now-it don't matter

good luck applying
 
To say that going to a top 20 school does not matter AT ALL isn't quite accurate. Sure lower tier schools can provide you with the same education, but when it comes to competitive residencies, having gone to a top 20 school does factor into things a little at least.
 
Ditto - the women are much better looking, in general, at the non-top-20 😛
 
DrYo12 said:
How about the clinical exposure you'll get? The top 20s connected to private hospitals probably aren't likely to get you the kind of stuff that an 'average' school may...

Yeah, I'm sure the clinical exposure you get at Mass Gen, Hopkins, Mayo Clinic, NYP and UChi all suck compared to the awesome stuff that happens at university of arkansas in little rock 🙄
 
BigRedPingpong said:
Yeah, I'm sure the clinical exposure you get at Mass Gen, Hopkins, Mayo Clinic, NYP and UChi all suck compared to the awesome stuff that happens at university of arkansas in little rock 🙄
ah, exposure good...lack of willingness to let you practice, bad.
 
DrYo12 said:
How about the clinical exposure you'll get? The top 20s connected to private hospitals probably aren't likely to get you the kind of stuff that an 'average' school may...

I dunno... our health care system is working well enough that the REALLY interesting pathology goes to the uber-high powered medical meccas like johns hopkins, harvard, duke, mayo. Everything that you see in public hospitals, you'll see at those places too. My inclination and observation leads me to agree that there's a reason upper-tier schools get their pick of students and their students get their pick of residencies. Interestingly enough, if you don't feel you're getting adequate exposure to interesting pathology at any school, go to the Bairo Pite Clinic in Dili, East Timor. There, you'll see things everyday that you wouldn't see once a decade in grand rounds at Harvard. You can really get a sense of what a really broken healthcare system is like. And better yet, you can go there if you're attending Mayo Med or Podunck School of Higher Learning
 
constructor said:
not at all true... but maybe that's what you tell yourself to justify your not getting into a top 20 school.


ahem....any more interview invites buddy? or maybe u got a acceptance? 🙄
 
ElKapitan said:
I'm lazy, it is a lot of work to get into a top 20 school. I'm not saying I wouldn't go if they accepted me. I am just saying, I am not doing anything extra to get in, like promise my first born to the devil. I think the bare minimum will suffice for me.

That is exactly how I approach my grades...and it looks like it is becomming my philosophy on applying
 
Fermata said:
And one more person with some sense. 😀

sorry, i don't think mayo's top 20 according usnews and world report
 
Fermata said:
Dude.

Mayo is one of the best schools irregardless of some list. 😀

Plus the cost is just amazing.
Please don't tell me you just used irregardless.
 
DrYo12 said:
Please don't tell me you just used irregardless.

i didn't even know mayo had a medschool until last year
 
Fermata said:
Dude. Apply there. Please.

lol 50 spots... i'd rather save the money to not make the admissions ppl laugh
 
constructor said:
not at all true... but maybe that's what you tell yourself to justify your not getting into a top 20 school.
are we talking med schools or undergrad?
 
Fermata said:
I'm Southern.

You have not even begun to hear me butcher the English language. 😀

🙄 As long as you don't try to throw some 'gangsta' in there....then its all over. Pack up your bags and go home. 😛
 
lane said:
that's not uncommon on SDN 🙂
OTers have Ferraris, jailbait supermodels, and suitcases stuffed with cash, SDNers have 40+/4.0's, 10+ publications, 15,000 volunteer hours, and already have multiple PhD's and made mad bank on the stock market in the late 90s, but they're going into medicine just to benefit humanity.
 
TheProwler said:
OTers have Ferraris, jailbait supermodels, and suitcases stuffed with cash, SDNers have 40+/4.0's, 10+ publications, 15,000 volunteer hours, and already have multiple PhD's and made mad bank on the stock market in the late 90s, but they're going into medicine just to benefit humanity.
Don't forget the olympic gymnasts.
 
if you're interested in primary care, the debt you'll accumulate at some of the private schools is not worth it.

also, some private hospitals/med schools like to point out that they treat uninsured patients through their emergency dept. i'm still on the fence about the whole patient population issue.
 
bridge01 said:
if you're interested in primary care, the debt you'll accumulate at some of the private schools is not worth it.

also, some private hospitals/med schools like to point out that they treat uninsured patients through their emergency dept. i'm still on the fence about the whole patient population issue.
not like they have a whole lot of choice whether or not they treat the uninsured. If you walk in, they have to treat you (at least here).
 
TheProwler said:
are we talking med schools or undergrad?

i'm talking med schools here. maybe the girls i saw were just there by chance and not representative of the school as a whole, but the girls at 2 of the 4 top 20 schools i've interviewed at are without question the hoooottttest!!! 😉
 
TheProwler said:
not like they have a whole lot of choice whether or not they treat the uninsured. If you walk in, they have to treat you (at least here).


i agree w/you. it sounds like something they say so at not to seem elitist.
 
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