Recent Job advertisement

[trent05]

"seeking a BE/BC, AP/CP Surgical Hematopathology Fellow, with multi-specialty boards in Cytopathology. Interest in Transfusion Medicine is desirable, but not required."

Could they ask for anything else? Good thing the transfusion med is only desired but not required. Only the surgpath + hemepath + cytopath fellowships are needed to qualify for this one. And this is for a small town midwest job! Probably starts at 150.

 

[DarksideAllstar]

Here's one I saw:

"Seeking a BE/BC AP/CP Pathologist to be our groups b!tch. Would like said Pathologist to be able to do all our work for us, but only be paid approximately $100K/yr. Generous vacation package of 1 week/yr offered. Associate pays her own health care and malpractice. Great rural setting, but too bad you will be too busy to enjoy it. Preference given to applicants who have completed more than one subspecialty fellowship. Please forward your CV, 4 letters of reference, and an envelope with several hundred dollar bills in it so that we can wipe our @ss with aforementioned items (except the money, of course), and tell you to piss off."

 

[Gut Shot]

"seeking a BE/BC, AP/CP Surgical Hematopathology Fellow, with multi-specialty boards in Cytopathology. Interest in Transfusion Medicine is desirable, but not required."

Could they ask for anything else? Good thing the transfusion med is only desired but not required. Only the surgpath + hemepath + cytopath fellowships are needed to qualify for this one. And this is for a small town midwest job! Probably starts at 150.

I guess DPL was right. Better start working on a surg-heme-cyto-transfusion combo!

 

[LADoc00]

"seeking a BE/BC, AP/CP Surgical Hematopathology Fellow, with multi-specialty boards in Cytopathology. Interest in Transfusion Medicine is desirable, but not required."

Could they ask for anything else? Good thing the transfusion med is only desired but not required. Only the surgpath + hemepath + cytopath fellowships are needed to qualify for this one. And this is for a small town midwest job! Probably starts at 150.

The irony is I bet the old timers/practice owners dont have any subspeciality boards so they are probably loading up on those that do to compensate.

Just another reason to start your own business IMO.

 

[yaah]

I like those job posts that ask for an "interest." Seems to me that's widely open to interpretation. You don't need a fellowship to have an interest in something. I haven't done a fellowship in GI but I've had extra training and I have an interest. Does that qualify? 😉

 

[mlw03]

part of the reason i'm going into pathology is because i want to be ready to practice 5 years after med school - not 7. why do 2 or 3 fellowships at $55K per year when you could go out and practice at a real salary for those extra 2 years. and why require an applicant to have multiple fellowships anyway? with everything in medicine getting more specialized let someone do their 1 fellowship and join a group to provide expertise on that one subject. i bet LA is right on this one wrt the older pathologists not having any subspecialty training.

 

[pathdoc68]

Ok.. I will beat that dead horse,
This is meerly a symptom of...
Too many pathologists chasing too few jobs!!!

I know we've discussed this to death - but the job market sucks right now and because of this young pathologists will have to deal with this crap for the forseeable future.

 

[exPCM]

Ok.. I will beat that dead horse,
This is meerly a symptom of...
Too many pathologists chasing too few jobs!!!

I know we've discussed this to death - but the job market sucks right now and because of this young pathologists will have to deal with this crap for the forseeable future.

This post is spot on correct. The people who try to paint a rosy picture of the job market remind me of the representatives of the National Association of Realtors who spent all of last year trying to put a positive spin on a housing market that was crashing and still has not hit bottom.

 

[dermpathdoc]

This post is spot on correct. The people who try to paint a rosy picture of the job market remind me of the representatives of the National Association of Realtors who spent all of last year trying to put a positive spin on a housing market that was crashing and still has not hit bottom.

reality is that even experinced pathologists are having trouble finding jobs...there is a glut of residents applying for jobs and groups are opting for the inexperienced bods who they can exploit.
Even while they complain they can't find recent grads who know how to sign out cases( ie. really work and churn out the reports)

 

[LADoc00]

This post is spot on correct. The people who try to paint a rosy picture of the job market remind me of the representatives of the National Association of Realtors who spent all of last year trying to put a positive spin on a housing market that was crashing and still has not hit bottom.

you are absolutely correct. That is a perfect analogy. The very people propagandizing about the glorious job market are the people who benefit from massive overtraining. The conflict of interest and ethical lapse is unforgiveable. Those people have blood on their hands from the lives that have been ruined, relationships destroyed and especially the number who have taken their own lives based on the faulty assumption everyone who trains in pathology will one day work in pathology.

 

[HCE]

The irony is I bet the old timers/practice owners dont have any subspeciality boards so they are probably loading up on those that do to compensate.

Just another reason to start your own business IMO.

LADoc, are you selling Path-In-The-Box franchises?

 

[djmd]

LADoc, are you selling Path-In-The-Box franchises?

Not with a name like that he isn't...

Path-o-matic diagnostic services.

or

LADoc's down-home country style pathology... (well maybe not)

 

[yaah]

you are absolutely correct. That is a perfect analogy. The very people propagandizing about the glorious job market are the people who benefit from massive overtraining. The conflict of interest and ethical lapse is unforgiveable. Those people have blood on their hands from the lives that have been ruined, relationships destroyed and especially the number who have taken their own lives based on the faulty assumption everyone who trains in pathology will one day work in pathology.

But how exactly do they benefit from this propaganda? I'm not talking about shysters who run labs and want to pay pathologists as little as possible, I'm talking about program directors and national organizations who supposedly represent pathologists' interests. Again, I am not trying to fight for the "other" side, I am just trying to figure this out and get a better handle on it. I hear a lot of wild pronouncements that don't make tons of sense but seem realistic, but not really evidenced except by anecdote.

To me, it sounds as though the job market was far worse in 1998-9 or so than it is now. Is it continuing to get better or is it just not really getting better at all?

 

[LADoc00]

But how exactly do they benefit from this propaganda? I'm not talking about shysters who run labs and want to pay pathologists as little as possible, I'm talking about program directors and national organizations who supposedly represent pathologists' interests. Again, I am not trying to fight for the "other" side, I am just trying to figure this out and get a better handle on it. I hear a lot of wild pronouncements that don't make tons of sense but seem realistic, but not really evidenced except by anecdote.

To me, it sounds as though the job market was far worse in 1998-9 or so than it is now. Is it continuing to get better or is it just not really getting better at all?

there is a ton of good info on the web about this, in fact there was a group of pathologists who had a website that actually laid out the dollars being made by academics on this. It is staggering. Do a google search on it or better yet I posted the info in a thread a long time ago.

 

[mlw03]

LA, please explain further. i'm an applicant this year and i just don't see how programs will make money by my being a resident at their program. pathology residents contribute very little actual service to the pathology department, and to my knowledge, you can't bill for something that isn't signed out by an attending. the money saved by having residents doing some of the grossing a PA would have to do can't be that significant, so i fail to see where the profits are being made.

 

[djmd]

LA, please explain further. i'm an applicant this year and i just don't see how programs will make money by my being a resident at their program. pathology residents contribute very little actual service to the pathology department, and to my knowledge, you can't bill for something that isn't signed out by an attending. the money saved by having residents doing some of the grossing a PA would have to do can't be that significant, so i fail to see where the profits are being made.

A program has to pay upwards of 100k for a PA. (-100k)
A program gets paid ~80k to have a resident. (+80k)
Net diff = 180k

So yes there is a difference in PA vs residents...
Yes there are costs associated with residents, so that is simplified.

 

[LADoc00]

LA, please explain further. i'm an applicant this year and i just don't see how programs will make money by my being a resident at their program. pathology residents contribute very little actual service to the pathology department, and to my knowledge, you can't bill for something that isn't signed out by an attending. the money saved by having residents doing some of the grossing a PA would have to do can't be that significant, so i fail to see where the profits are being made.

there is a great thread on this, do a search.

 

[paleman]

you are absolutely correct. That is a perfect analogy. The very people propagandizing about the glorious job market are the people who benefit from massive overtraining. The conflict of interest and ethical lapse is unforgiveable. Those people have blood on their hands from the lives that have been ruined, relationships destroyed and especially the number who have taken their own lives based on the faulty assumption everyone who trains in pathology will one day work in pathology.

jesus christ cheer up man. you sound like you've got a good head on your shoulders; it isn't that bad.. i agree the job market is not the best but the job is pretty easy. i've been out for a few years and would rather have my job over most of my friends' jobs in surgery, law (admittedly perhaps not the MBAs)

 

[yaah]

A program has to pay upwards of 100k for a PA. (-100k)
A program gets paid ~80k to have a resident. (+80k)
Net diff = 180k

So yes there is a difference in PA vs residents...
Yes there are costs associated with residents, so that is simplified.

It's not that simple though. That model assumes the resident makes a salary of $0. Residents make around $50k. Then another 3-4k for book fund, CME, meals. Another several thousand for teaching expenses, plus they have to hire more attendings because teaching is inefficient. They have to pay secretaries and other ancillary staff to help take care of residents, people who would not be necessary without a residency program. It's not really a net difference of 180k.

I think there are far better and more efficient ways of making money for large centers than to hire a couple dozen residents and completely change their program to at least partially cater to them. If our program eliminated residents, for example, they could also eliminate several attendings, several secretaries, lots of office space, books, computers and other capital, etc etc. I don't really see programs coming out hugely ahead on this deal. It's like trying to make money by putting your $100,000 inheritance in an interest bearing checking account. Sure, you come out ahead, but there are other ways to do it a LOT better. I don't buy it. It's easy to add up all the money coming in and say it's huge, but you also have to add in all the expenses. It's not as much of a cash cow as it seems.

I think i found the thread LADoc was talking about http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=200456

 

[LADoc00]

that thread is awesome, must read IMO. thanks for digging it up!!

here are some job ads I might investigate:
EWA BEACH, HAWAII (USA). Pan Pacific Pathologists, Inc. is searching for a full-time staff pathologist to service various locations statewide. The candidate must be board certified/eligible in AP/CP with strong surgical pathology/cytopathology skills. Experience and/or interest in kidney, liver, and/or transplant pathology is desirable. Certification in dermatopathology, hematopathology, or ASHI certification in immunogenetics is a plus.

SOUTHEAST GEORGIA (USA). Southeastern Pathology Associates is looking to add a general pathologist. This partnership tract position requires a fellowship trained pathologist with cytopathology boards and excellent interpersonal skills. This position is available to US citizens or physicians with established US permanent resident status only.

STOCKTON, CALIFORNIA (USA). Private group practice seeks an experienced and confident Pathologist who will work efficiently and independently for full time, part time or locums position. Qualifications include AP/CP Board certification, Cytopathology GYN & Non-GYN experience required (Thin-prep certified), Experience in Clinical Laboratory required.

COLTON, CALIFORNIA (USA). Full time General Pathology position with emphasis in Hematology/Hematopathology is available beginning February 2008. Anatomic Pathology responsibilities include rotation on Surgical Pathology, Cytopathology and Autopsy.

ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA (USA). Our group of six pathologists is seeking an AP/CP board-certified pathologist with subspecialty training. Candidates must have strong general and pediatric surgical pathology skills. Fellowship, residency program, and medical school training at a U.S. academic medical center are required.

WESTERN MICHIGAN (USA). A large and diverse pathology group located in West Michigan seeks well-trained AP or AP/CP board certified/eligible pathologists, particularly in the areas of genitourinary, gastrointestinal, and breast. We are also seeking a Pathologist for another position who is interested and qualified in tissue banking.

ROANOKE, VIRGINIA (USA). Dominion Pathology Associates is seeking an AP/CP boarded pathologist. Applicants with special areas of interest or fellowship training are encouraged to apply. Expertise in dermatopathology or blood banking would be especially helpful to the group. The successful candidate will be offered a partnership track position with a competitive salary and benefits package.


my top would be the one in Virginia and Hawaii.